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Minor thing: Pre-match analysis before a League Cup match says that my team must win the match to live up to "minimum expectations." Whose expectations? My board doesn't care about the League Cup, so this is surprising.

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Am a bit frustrated with the game at the moment, started a career save yesterday with Stockport County and got the sack before Christmas. Currently with Eastbourne Boro, in my first 28 games I've scored 49 and then conceded 56. Now out of them 56 goals, around 25 of them have come from either Indirect Free Kicks or corners the majority being from corners. I've checked the bug forums and one of SI tester have confirmed their is an issues with defenders not dealing with balls into the box, and this has had a massive effect on my save file.

Debating if its worth keeping the save going as this corner issues ruined my time at Stockport leading to drop points and bad moral levels. I wont get chance to play again until tomorrow so hopfully they will release a match engine patch before then.

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You could play every single FM game you have in your library at once if you like. No conflicts. I had FM13 and FM14 running in parellel for a while a few months ago.

You can't play them all at once....I think Steam will only allow one game to be open at a time. But, they can all be installed together.

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I have to say that I'm loving this version. The new tactics screen is brilliant allowing tweaks to be made easily before each game, the match engine appears to be coming on leaps and bounds and the more realistic scouting model is much more immersive.

Not seen any particularly high scores, certainly no issues with injuries in my save.

All in all, it has brought me back to the really addictive versions of my youth. Not so sure the wife is as happy as I am though lol

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I don't even use wingers so using crosses isn't an issue, I get plenty of clean sheets but I agree (and it's already noted) that far post crosses especially are too often and too lethal.

40% of the goals I've conceded in my current season are from crosses/corners

Not only wingers, a decent full back will rack you up assists. Man UTD are top of my league and top assists are currently Rafael and Blind playing left back. Daley Blind.........

I appreciate most of the work is on the match engine but they spend a year on updating it (probably longer) and by release its broke, every year without fail. I'm actually had enough up of basically watching replays of goals. If it's noted then why has it took till release to spot the issue? They really need to review the whole process because it doesn't work and the proof is in the pudding.

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Everyone knows negative feedback no matter how constructive get's deleted if it doesn't come with at least double the amount of praise.

A feedback thread that fears feedback, seems legit. Maybe there is a direct correlation to all the criticism that get's removed and how much this game has regressed?

Everyone knows FM15 in it's current state is bad, bad by FM standards, let alone modern gaming standards.

What's worse is that a lot of the current issues have persisted and only regressed since FM14. This is not good, how ever you want to spin it..

Stop being passive aggressive, it's really ugly..

Absolute rubbish, needs a tweak or 2 but the way some people over cook their criticism of the game doesn't do anyone any favours.

I see the same people saying the same thing year after year but they are still here.

Strange that.

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Not only wingers, a decent full back will rack you up assists. Man UTD are top of my league and top assists are currently Rafael and Blind playing left back. Daley Blind.........

I appreciate most of the work is on the match engine but they spend a year on updating it (probably longer) and by release its broke, every year without fail. I'm actually had enough up of basically watching replays of goals. If it's noted then why has it took till release to spot the issue? They really need to review the whole process because it doesn't work and the proof is in the pudding.

It's not broke it just isn't well balanced yet, there's a huge difference but fine tuning takes a lot of minute tweaks with a lot of possible side effects so now's the time for some patience and accurate problem reporting so they are only trying to fix real problems and not some that are in our minds :) (it does happen)

You wouldn't make assertions like that if you'd been involved in Beta testing from the start I assure you.

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Absolute rubbish, needs a tweak or 2 but the way some people over cook their criticism of the game doesn't do anyone any favours.

I see the same people saying the same thing year after year but they are still here.

Strange that.

Indeed, remind me to find out which Mod was supposed to delete the criticism and I'll give him a slap :D

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My PC's Graphics Capability was 5 stars during the BETA.

I just checked and it's only 2.5 stars now. Is that normal? Did something change upon the official release? My drivers are updated.

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It's not broke it just isn't well balanced yet, there's a huge difference but fine tuning takes a lot of minute tweaks with a lot of possible side effects so now's the time for some patience and accurate problem reporting so they are only trying to fix real problems and not some that are in our minds :) (it does happen)

You wouldn't make assertions like that if you'd been involved in Beta testing from the start I assure you.

It's a huge part of the game, I use broke as a loose term but as a user that's how it feels.

My question is why isn't it balanced?

Why isn't it balanced every year?

I understand everything has a knock on affect but surely that's why you have beta testing. Fine tuning should be done before release. My issue is it's every year, some more than others and it needs addressing for future releases.

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It's a huge part of the game, I use broke as a loose term but as a user that's how it feels.

My question is why isn't it balanced?

Why isn't it balanced every year?

I understand everything has a knock on affect but surely that's why you have beta testing. Fine tuning should be done before release. My issue is it's every year, some more than others and it needs addressing for future releases.

Hard to explain if you don't know how it works tbh, but in the words of the man who built it "it will never be finished and it will never be perfect" I will say people quickly forget what they had a year or even two years ago so have no measure of the actual improvements.

They are looking for their conception of perfect which probably isn't even the same as the bloke sitting next to them expects let alone the hundreds of thousands of others.

Don't forget SI could have rolled it out on the 7th and said see you next year, they never would of course but they certainly don't deserve all this abuse from people who refuse to believe that it's not a case of turn the goals a game knob down half a turn Joe :)

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My PC's Graphics Capability was 5 stars during the BETA.

I just checked and it's only 2.5 stars now. Is that normal? Did something change upon the official release? My drivers are updated.

It's not a reliable indicator tbh much better to start at the lowest setting and work up step by step to the most efficient one for you.

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It's not a reliable indicator tbh much better to start at the lowest setting and work up step by step to the most efficient one for you.

Thanks Kriss, just annoyed that it changed randomly. I played the BETA on the recommended highest graphical setting and it worked fine so maybe I'll start with that and work my way down if necessary :)

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Thanks Kriss, just annoyed that it changed randomly. I played the BETA on the recommended highest graphical setting and it worked fine so maybe I'll start with that and work my way down if necessary :)

Probably the best way round indeed :)

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Don't forget SI could have rolled it out on the 7th and said see you next yea

Indeed, they have never done that and have always worked for the next six months to deliver a game that is seen as finished. FM is always unfinished and needing lots of tweaks upon release, and the first year they decide not to follow up on their release copy with some patches, they will see a dramatic drop in purchases for the next installment.

They are not releasing patches out the goodness of their hearts, they are patching up the game because they know it is required to retain their dedicated and loyal fanbase who purchase the game every year.

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Has anyone else noticed since release that in the press conferences you can only see bits of the responses, and you have to hover over them, so the little tooltip comes up showing the full response. I'm using a custom skin, so it could be that, does anyone have this on the default skin? I'm too lazy to try it myself even though it's probably taken longer to type this out...

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Anyone else having to run there Macbook Pro in Software rendering mode instead of GPU. Never had this issue on FM 14 which ran fine.

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Game is not enjoyable, clean sheets are impossible with the near post corner and crosses being OP. This is not only a complaint of conceding but also into the way I want to play, If I'm not smashing crosses in or abusing near post corners then forget about winning. You should take out the composure stat as all you need is a lump up front to tap away the crosses. Let me guess tactics guru's..... it's my tactics.

Disappointed on release again. What you need is a competitor to stop you releasing a new UI and "updated" 3D match engine (which looks shocking) every year. At least you can choose whether to wear a tracksuit or suit though.... right?

Words of great wisdom ..

ME is really poor, it lacks creativity and individuality

All teams play the same football...

Crosses, crosses again and again

Every match seems to be the same

Disappointed!

I think SI has unfortunately reached the limit of his skills and can not offer any better...

Moreover, it is difficult to recreate a soccer simulation.

Thanks for the effort anyway.

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I'm really enjoying this game, much more than I enjoyed FM14. Only issue is constant injuries but hopefully that'll settle down soon.

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Anyone else having to run there Macbook Pro in Software rendering mode instead of GPU. Never had this issue on FM 14 which ran fine.

That's odd, back to front really.

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Words of great wisdom ..

ME is really poor, it lacks creativity and individuality

All teams play the same football...

Crosses, crosses again and again

Every match seems to be the same

Disappointed!

I think SI has unfortunately reached the limit of his skills and can not offer any better...

Moreover, it is difficult to recreate a soccer simulation.

Thanks for the effort anyway.

It hasn't finished yet you know :) and many don't agree with you anyway.

You're very right about how difficult it is, probably proved by the fact that everybody else gave up (but SI haven't)

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There's still too many goals scored from 'keepers fumbling a shot and a forward knocking in an easy rebound. 'keepers and defenders are often too slow to react. Also my inside forwards shoot from angles that are far too tight instead of squaring the ball to a team mate.

The home team seems to have too much of an advantage. I get absolutely battered by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool when playing them away, but I beat them all at Old Trafford. I change my tactic to defensive when playing away and it still doesn't make any difference.

The tactics screen is still a mess and trying to customise the view is a nightmare. I have no idea why the important information (condition/role/suitability) isn't displayed on the pitch. Please, shrink the huge shirts and add the information on the pitch like it used to be, then remove the silly roles column that takes up too much space. It's basic usability and any competent UI designer should be able to see it's poor design in its current state. Stop changing the UI for the sake of it.

The sidebar takes up too much space. This matters when playing on a laptop. I've had to change the zoom level to 75% to fit most of the basic information on some of the screens, including viewing subs on the tactics screen. Give me an option to show icons only. This is on FMC by the way.

Apart from all of that FM15 is excellent.

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I'm really enjoying this game, much more than I enjoyed FM14. Only issue is constant injuries but hopefully that'll settle down soon.

There's certainly a case for advising people to concentrate on training and coaching staff before anything else.

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All teams play the same football...

Crosses, crosses again and again

Every match seems the same

Did your mother never teach you not to lie, ffs.

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There's still too many goals scored from 'keepers fumbling a shot and a forward knocking in an easy rebound. 'keepers and defenders are often too slow to react. Also my inside forwards shoot from angles that are far too tight instead of squaring the ball to a team mate.

The home team seems to have too much of an advantage. I get absolutely battered by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool when playing them away, but I beat them all at Old Trafford. I change my tactic to defensive when playing away and it still doesn't make any difference.

The tactics screen is still a mess and trying to customise the view is a nightmare. I have no idea why the important information (condition/role/suitability) isn't displayed on the pitch. Please, shrink the huge shirts and add the information on the pitch like it used to be, then remove the silly roles column that takes up too much space. It's basic usability and any competent UI designer should be able to see it's poor design in its current state. Stop changing the UI for the sake of it.

The sidebar is takes up too much space. This matters when playing on a laptop. I've had to change the zoom level to 75% to fit most of the basic information on some of the screens, including viewing subs on the tactics screen. Give me an option to show icons only. This is on FMC by the way.

Apart from all of that FM15 is excellent.

Keepers recovery time is logged :thup:

I moaned about the sidebar size aeons ago, on a 24" screen I have 4" x 2" space at the bottom :(

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Absolute rubbish, needs a tweak or 2 but the way some people over cook their criticism of the game doesn't do anyone any favours.

I see the same people saying the same thing year after year but they are still here.

Strange that.

Kriss - My early morning post if you don't mind :p

Although i think the state of the current ME is pretty poor I agree that I don't think it would take much to put right and we could potentially see something excellent within a couple of weeks.

Namely.

Resolve the issue with corners being a bit OP. This wasn't an issue in 2 of the 3 pre-release match engines (2 beta's + demo) so it should be a quick fix. Don't know how they managed to mess that one up ;)

Reduce accuracy of crossing.

Improve FB positioning. Prioritsing wide threats, then actually engaging them, tackling, blocking crosses etc rather than providing the rather charming 'escort service' they do at the moment.

Centre Backs - Get on the right side of strikers for a start, intercept crosses, passes more. Tackle, block, engage. Basically improve marking

The upshot of this is that by toning down the effectiveness of wing play you then have the luxury of dealing with a major gripe and improve striker finishing in straight on, one on one situations WITHOUT ruining the balance of the game and the amount of overall goals scored.

For all i know actually implementing the above could be an absolute nightmare but the clever bods at Si have been doing this long enough and i'm sure they'll find a way :cool:

I'm expecting FM15 to be great, the only question is when :D

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Hard to explain if you don't know how it works tbh, but in the words of the man who built it "it will never be finished and it will never be perfect" I will say people quickly forget what they had a year or even two years ago so have no measure of the actual improvements.

They are looking for their conception of perfect which probably isn't even the same as the bloke sitting next to them expects let alone the hundreds of thousands of others.

Don't forget SI could have rolled it out on the 7th and said see you next year, they never would of course but they certainly don't deserve all this abuse from people who refuse to believe that it's not a case of turn the goals a game knob down half a turn Joe :)

Would you say this is abuse? If abuse is buying their game each year and pointing out "balance" issue's on every release then I've got it all wrong. I'm also not that guy, as pointed out I'm more sick of seeing the OP crossing and corners scoring and conceding. I'll give SI credit they will fix it and it will improve but why after release? Also if they dumped the game and left us I wouldn't be here and you wouldn't moderate for a firm like that.

It doesn't need explaining I'm just pointing out the process isn't currently working and that's clear to see. Responding to everyone like they are that "turn the goals a game knob down half a turn Joe" is just ignorance.

As you can tell I can discuss this all day but to conclude I have faith SI will fix it but the constant release issue's in regards to the match engine need to be noted. Please please take that on board SI.

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Why start your serious save on the Beta? Playing the Beta is you playing being a tester for early access.

Play the game on the release day then go from there?

It's beyond me why people are surprised how these releases work by now as well. Blaming SI for you making the same choices every release and expecting different results is?

I like the new FM15, it's still raw, it takes a good few saves and patches for it to be as good as it's going to get (the same every version). I like the new UI, I like the new choices I have in setting up my game, I like the new database.

I could wait until March to buy the game, it will be cheaper, I am still enjoying my FM14 save, the game will be polished. I haven't waited until March because the pro's of buying now outweigh the cons for me. If not for you, then wait next year? Easy choice.

I realise playing the Beta is early access, but my point is that why change the game so much from the beta to the final version particularly with the "main" part of the whole game, the ME. They claim minor changes are made, but really it's typical of game developers. You can't really believe them.

I blame SI for sticking to the usual, releasing a bugger version on the ME which then changes quite a lot when the final version is release 2 weeks later. Yes we have a Beta release to get rid of bugs, but then what's teh point of releasing the game to countless professionals who are unlikely (if they do then good on them) critique the game in a beneficial manner. The fact that for the last couple of versions I have taken Newcastle in the first season and finished in the top 6 without buying players (at least at the start as I start without transfer budgets). They have an entire year to work on getting the ME into a stable enough condition for release, they might want to take a look at how they go about it...

In the end, people will keep throwing money at what is, and will be for a long time, an awesome simulation game. So it's unlikely they will change the way they do anything, ever. Thus, it will remain a game with a poor ME.

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Kriss - My early morning post if you don't mind :p

Although i think the state of the current ME is pretty poor I agree that I don't think it would take much to put right and we could potentially see something excellent within a couple of weeks.

Namely.

Resolve the issue with corners being a bit OP. This wasn't an issue in 2 of the 3 pre-release match engines (2 beta's + demo) so it should be a quick fix. Don't know how they managed to mess that one up ;)

Reduce accuracy of crossing.

Improve FB positioning. Prioritsing wide threats, then actually engaging them, tackling, blocking crosses etc rather than providing the rather charming 'escort service' they do at the moment.

Centre Backs - Get on the right side of strikers for a start, intercept crosses, passes more. Tackle, block, engage. Basically improve marking

The upshot of this is that by toning down the effectiveness of wing play you then have the luxury of dealing with a major gripe and improve striker finishing in straight on, one on one situations WITHOUT ruining the balance of the game and the amount of overall goals scored.

For all i know actually implementing the above could be an absolute nightmare but the clever bods at Si have been doing this long enough and i'm sure they'll find a way :cool:

I'm expecting FM15 to be great, the only question is when :D

I'd add to that improve keepers recovery time from save/rebound to ball within his range.

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Would you say this is abuse? If abuse is buying their game each year and pointing out "balance" issue's on every release then I've got it all wrong. I'm also not that guy, as pointed out I'm more sick of seeing the OP crossing and corners scoring and conceding. I'll give SI credit they will fix it and it will improve but why after release? Also if they dumped the game and left us I wouldn't be here and you wouldn't moderate for a firm like that.

It doesn't need explaining I'm just pointing out the process isn't currently working and that's clear to see. Responding to everyone like they are that "turn the goals a game knob down half a turn Joe" is just ignorance.

As you can tell I can discuss this all day but to conclude I have faith SI will fix it but the constant release issue's in regards to the match engine need to be noted. Please please take that on board SI.

No, the abuse allegation is aimed at the very obvious examples, there's a proper way to point out errors and it's sad that with so many examples of how it should be done so many people still don't get the message.

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I'd add to that improve keepers recovery time from save/rebound to ball within his range.

Yeah, forgot that!

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Pretty sure crossing accuracy is fine. It's the number of them that's too high.

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Kriss - My early morning post if you don't mind :p

Although i think the state of the current ME is pretty poor I agree that I don't think it would take much to put right and we could potentially see something excellent within a couple of weeks.

Namely.

Resolve the issue with corners being a bit OP. This wasn't an issue in 2 of the 3 pre-release match engines (2 beta's + demo) so it should be a quick fix. Don't know how they managed to mess that one up ;)

Reduce accuracy of crossing.

Improve FB positioning. Prioritsing wide threats, then actually engaging them, tackling, blocking crosses etc rather than providing the rather charming 'escort service' they do at the moment.

Centre Backs - Get on the right side of strikers for a start, intercept crosses, passes more. Tackle, block, engage. Basically improve marking

The upshot of this is that by toning down the effectiveness of wing play you then have the luxury of dealing with a major gripe and improve striker finishing in straight on, one on one situations WITHOUT ruining the balance of the game and the amount of overall goals scored.

For all i know actually implementing the above could be an absolute nightmare but the clever bods at Si have been doing this long enough and i'm sure they'll find a way :cool:

I'm expecting FM15 to be great, the only question is when :D

This + 1

I could easily have posted this almost word for word.

I actually love FM15 in general but the ME is a little bit mad currently.

I also do not like the way tactics are now saved, even in the beta tweaking a tactic and saving over it would only overwrite that one, not create a new file. Looks messy and don't like it.

I don't get the injuries some are saying.

Don't see how the tactics screen is an issue.

Still frustrated with team talks...

If I win a game 5-3 and I was 5-0 up but concede 3 goals late on - there's never an option to berate the defense but also state you are happy with the win.

I know you can individually to a degree but the after match team talks are poor imo.

There are lots of results and games where you could be saying a lot more to your team that you currently can.

Hopefully something for FM16 +

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Did your mother never teach you not to lie, ffs.

Very rude and disrespectful!!

But I'm a gentleman and not go down to your level.

You may not know that kindness in this forum has always been a very important value to be defended and protected.

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What I personally really like about this years ME is that players actually have a real physical presence. The ball gets blocked, deflected, ricoched all the time and players can actually bump into each other. I know this is a big difference with before (like a year ago, maybe more), because I used to complain on here about players not having a real physical presence in the ME all the time. It's just the full backs now that seem to lack a bit of physical presence, that's what makes the amount of crosses too high it seems.

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Very rude and disrespectful!!

But I'm a gentleman and not go down to your level.

You may not know that kindness in this forum has always been a very important value to be defended and protected.

I'm very respectful and friendly to people who don't lie. If you're saying that every game looks the same, you're certainly not telling the truth.

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That's odd, back to front really.

Kriss the Skin is all black and grey in GPU mode and on changin it to, software its back to normal. Would it be normal to use GPU Rendering? Just looked on FM 14 and thats the default selection.

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The home advantage is wayyy to "advantageous" if you will. Away games are literally 500% harder even accounting for a change of tactics.

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I'm very respectful and friendly to people who don't lie. If you're saying that every game looks the same, you're certainly not telling the truth.

The truth is just an opinion.

Please respect mine.

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Pretty sure crossing accuracy is fine. It's the number of them that's too high.

I agree. Also seem to see too many direct free kicks around the box. Maybe its because I was playing Stoke at home and they got stuck in but alos noticed in Europa league games too.

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Kriss the Skin is all black and grey in GPU mode and on changin it to, software its back to normal. Would it be normal to use GPU Rendering? Just looked on FM 14 and thats the default selection.

GPU is your dedicated graphics card so should be the best, it's worth posting your DXdiag in the tech Problems bug forum so they can have a look, instructions for DXdiag are in the FAQ.

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In this case you're wrong. My SSD is faster than my HDD.

Saving to an SSD can take longer than saving to a mechanical hard drive tbf. It reads faster but saving won't be faster.

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SI

the final game is great!!

finally the game is balance and everyone on the pitch are doing their job!

just amazing!

thanks!!!

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It's not broke it just isn't well balanced yet, there's a huge difference but fine tuning takes a lot of minute tweaks with a lot of possible side effects so now's the time for some patience and accurate problem reporting so they are only trying to fix real problems and not some that are in our minds :) (it does happen)

You wouldn't make assertions like that if you'd been involved in Beta testing from the start I assure you.

What I don't understand is that this process happens year on year. The game gets released in a state (Mostly ME related) where the same issues still haven't been rectified since being spotted in the BETA.

It's came to the point where I have to wait until the patch is released until around March time before I trully feel that the game is playable. This is just my opinion and I know others feel the completely opposite.

You ask for patience but should we really be having to wait to add fixes to a game that's just been released and purchased?

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The home advantage is wayyy to "advantageous" if you will. Away games are literally 500% harder even accounting for a change of tactics.

I'm not finding that but better not go into a tactical discussion here, worth a visit to the T & T forum to see their take on it?

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I'm not finding that but better not go into a tactical discussion here, worth a visit to the T & T forum to see their take on it?

Yea, good advice tbh. Will do just now! :)

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What I don't understand is that this process happens year on year. The game gets released in a state (Mostly ME related) where the same issues still haven't been rectified since being spotted in the BETA.

It's came to the point where I have to wait until the patch is released until around March time before I trully feel that the game is playable. This is just my opinion and I know others feel the completely opposite.

You ask for patience but should we really be having to wait to add fixes to a game that's just been released and purchased?

Yes because the alternative is that they stop updating the ME after release, what is so hard to get people to understand is what PaulC continually reminds us "it'll never be perfect and it'll never be finished.

So at some stage they have to call a halt for this year they have always opted to go on with the balancing until the last data update, the ME will always be "unfinished" and somebody will always say it's broken so in point of fact it doesn't matter when they call that halt they'll still get slated :)

The only way you'll ever understand why it's as it is, is be involved in full Beta testing it seems, I'm done with my explanations :)

Edit; and if you'll forgive me I'll highlight one of the difficulties :Dhttp://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/405217-Official-Football-Manager-2015-Feedback-Thread?p=9966424&viewfull=1#post9966424

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Yes because the alternative is that they stop updating the ME after release, what is so hard to get people to understand is what PaulC continually reminds us "it'll never be perfect and it'll never be finished.

So at some stage they have to call a halt for this year they have always opted to go on with the balancing until the last data update, the ME will always be "unfinished" and somebody will always say it's broken so in point of fact it doesn't matter when they call that halt they'll still get slated :)

The only way you'll ever understand why it's as it is, is be involved in full Beta testing it seems, I'm done with my explanations :)

Edit; and if you'll forgive me I'll highlight one of the difficulties :Dhttp://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/405217-Official-Football-Manager-2015-Feedback-Thread?p=9966424&viewfull=1#post9966424

Yeah that's a good point, it's impossible to please everyone!

My main gripe was that after more than a year on working on the ME, I would've expected it to be in a better condition than it is currently. I.E fullbacks being able to defend crosses, number of goals from corners and goalkeepers reaction times. Maybe it's just me being hard to please!

I will go back to purchasing the game every March so I get the best FM experience I can out of the final update.

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