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You'd need more than just that - every player has a ton of individual instructions.

actually im doing rather well so far, i've set up the formation and team instructions and going well

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actually im doing rather well so far, i've set up the formation and team instructions and going well

Good to hear - maybe it's my player instructions that have broken it in this patch!

It's setup with Control > Very Fluid at the moment.

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Whats the pitch size Ed please, after losing with Leeds 8-0 at home v Guincamp in a friendly after Bellusci was sent off after 30 mins, I thought I would have a gander for some tactics, in theory I set my players up the best I could except maybe the wingers due to Leeds not having any natural wingers. I signed Chris Eagles so that is a start.

I've never actually changed my pitch size on FM15, I didn't realise you had the option, so it's whatever Arsenal's default size is.

It's a tough call as the possession play and high pressing would benefit from a smaller pitch, but the attacking play would work best on a bigger pitch. Any thoughts from the rest of you on what's worked best?

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whats the mentality and team shape please?

im playing FMC so this tactic wont import

Tactic should import fine into FMC, its the same tactical interface.

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I had a play with it this eve only played about 8 games since my last post. I swapped to high tempo and won all 8 games, maybe a pure fluke with no relevance but I'm going to stick with it and see :)

I Won super cup and opening prem game since changing to higher tempo, early days I know but fingers crossed!

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I Won super cup and opening prem game since changing to higher tempo, early days I know but fingers crossed!

Am going to toy with it this evening.

First obvious fix is to remove short passing from GK as the Defensive Line is pushed too far up so he gets confused and hoofs it long. Your GK distribution will increase by about 40% with that simple change. Increasing the tempo itself comes at expense of both possession and accuracy, but perhaps that's a sacrifice I need to make. Certainly the formation is struggling to stay in position at present.

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Seem to have the essence of it back now with about 60% possession, 3 goals per game, 86% passing and 600+ passes per game.

Just trying to improve one of two of the players outputs, particularly the inside forwards who appear to have become largely ineffective compared to the last patch. Maybe time for a Raumdeuter?!

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super excited EdJames, when can we expect?

Managed promotion with Cardiff with the old tactic and waiting for your update.

Well done by the way, great tactic!

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super excited EdJames, when can we expect?

Managed promotion with Cardiff with the old tactic and waiting for your update.

Well done by the way, great tactic!

Thought I'd nailed it, but 4 goals conceeded on the break to a rampant Southampton suggest I still have work to do!

I wouldn't mind, but they got 4 from 4 shots against my 20!

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I also need to review my set pieces which I've yet to touch on this tactic.

Has anyone discovered any useful routines?

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Ed, you mean only removing short passes from GK instructions or also "distribute to full backs" and/or "distribute quickly"?

Which kind of roles have you used lately on AMR/AML positions?

Maybe you should look at moving CM to DMC and/or WB's to FB's?

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Ed, you mean only removing short passes from GK instructions or also "distribute to full backs" and/or "distribute quickly"?

Which kind of roles have you used lately on AMR/AML positions?

Maybe you should look at moving CM to DMC and/or WB's to FB's?

I've currently got him set solely to distribute to centre backs. With the wing backs so high up the pitch, he struggles to hit them in the new patch.

I've tried a bit of everything on the wingers thus far. In the old patch, the inside forward (attack) played almost like a raumdeuter would be expected to but both roles are ineffective in the new patch from that perspective. The beauty of the first version was seeing it played into the F9's feet who could then thread to an onrushing IF. Not the case no.

Moving the CM to DMC is something I've toyed with a lot, even on the old version, the problem being that the MCL and MCR then play very narrow and you lose the neat triangular passing between them. Equally, none of the roles really fit, sitting in the wrong position or being dragged out of the shielding role he's meant to fulfill. I want them to sit further in field than they currently are and am toying with having them tightly man mark the centrebacks to narrow their play. Sit narrower simply doesn't work.

Wingbacks as fullbacks loses the diamond for passing triangles as they sit too flat. I feel as though I want them sitting wide offering an overlap, but narrow would better suit possession.

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I also tried swapping to fullback when I was tinkering last night, it made things a lot worse.

Interesting about the inside forwards though as they are still working well for me. I have sterling & coutinho as my inside forwards and markovic/suso as backups.

They still frustrate me a lot by shooting when they could square it for a tap in but they are still both banging in the goals for me.

sterling/coutinho have 20 goals each (I'm in January) and the back ups have 6/7 respectively.

Even after the new patch they are missing a lot more but still socre for fun - This only happened though after I changed the tempo.

I'll carry on later after work and see if it was all pure coincidence.

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I also tried swapping to fullback when I was tinkering last night, it made things a lot worse.

Interesting about the inside forwards though as they are still working well for me. I have sterling & coutinho as my inside forwards and markovic/suso as backups.

They still frustrate me a lot by shooting when they could square it for a tap in but they are still both banging in the goals for me.

sterling/coutinho have 20 goals each (I'm in January) and the back ups have 6/7 respectively.

Even after the new patch they are missing a lot more but still socre for fun - This only happened though after I changed the tempo.

I'll carry on later after work and see if it was all pure coincidence.

Could always teach them the "Look for a pass rather than shoot" PPM...

...I tried changing tempo alone and the tactic wasn't hugely effective for me.

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This only happened though after I changed the tempo..

Not what I'm finding at all which is annoying.

Just changing the tempo sees possession drop to around 55%, opposition having way too many shots, pass accuracy down to 80% and ineffectual inside forwards.

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Not what I'm finding at all which is annoying.

Just changing the tempo sees possession drop to around 55%, opposition having way too many shots, pass accuracy down to 80% and ineffectual inside forwards.

It's really frustrating, I can only assume it the difference in player?

A lot of inconsistencies in this match engine. I do read however that the newer one in the demo is a LOT better, so come tomorrow witht he full release I'm hoping these issues should be sorted!!

I love this formation and tactic though as it plays to my players strengths.

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It's really frustrating, I can only assume it the difference in player?

A lot of inconsistencies in this match engine. I do read however that the newer one in the demo is a LOT better, so come tomorrow witht he full release I'm hoping these issues should be sorted!!

I love this formation and tactic though as it plays to my players strengths.

Ditto - lets see what tomorrow's match engine brings. This particular patch seems to be all over the place.

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Indeed, I've played some more tonight. Still working well for me swapping the tempo. Have beaten Man City comfortably at the Ethiad, I hope tomorrow this will keep working for me as I have now signed players for this tactic, for a fair bit lol!!

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Indeed, I've played some more tonight. Still working well for me swapping the tempo. Have beaten Man City comfortably at the Ethiad, I hope tomorrow this will keep working for me as I have now signed players for this tactic, for a fair bit lol!!

So ALL you changed was tempo?! To higher, or much higher?

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All sorts of problems caused by the new patch I'm afraid. I don't see how a patch can take a tactic from dominance to not working...suggests the ME isn't as clever or based on theory as we're led to believe.

Personal experience since updating saw me continue to win, but the goals I was conceding were difficult to counteract. Equally, my players just ignored the instructions given with Szeszsny launching long kicks despite being told to distribute short, Debuchy insisting on keep trying to switch the flank despite no PPM and short passing ticked (with options around him) and Cazorla being unable to find a teammate with a short pass from 5 yards away continuously. Very frustrating.

I was still averaging around 83% pass completion and 62% possession, but despite averaging some 20 shots to my opponents 5, I was losing or drawing A LOT...more than your 'occasional upset' you'd expect, much like the dreadful ME in FM14.

For example...

1st game.... Two crosses to the back post that Mertesacker/Koscielny ignored their instruction to mark tightly and allowed the players an acre of space to nod home

2nd game... Two free kicks conceeded all game, both on the edge of the area vs Conference opposition. Their winger stuck both in the top corner. Both conceded by players with 'stay on feet' and 'ease off tackles' selected.

3rd game... 35 yard strike despite 6 players in front of him and having been closed down by two of them.

4th game... Two headers from corners by players marked by my centrebacks, who have high marking stats, who simply let them go. Apparently Conference wingers are deadball specialists...

Not sure how you can alter the tactic to counteract those kinds of goals - they're not indicative of an inherent problem with the tactic. I may let it run a whole season and then see where the majority of goals are coming from to try and get a better feel.

I may work on it over the weekend when I have time to give it some attention.

keep at it bud, I first look at a formation with a philosophy that interests me then the results it can produce, this seemed to have both so if you can reproduce that in the full release I will be very interested and grateful :D

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Yes all I did was changed to play higher tempo, nothing else.

Finished the season in 3rd, I was in 10th at halfway point well off the pace, from when I changed the tactics I won all but 2 matches which I drew! Beat city, arsenal and man utd (3-1) in the fa cup final!!

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Down loaded the file but when i go to import the tactic the game just can not see it. anyone have any ideas?

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Yes all I did was changed to play higher tempo, nothing else.

Finished the season in 3rd, I was in 10th at halfway point well off the pace, from when I changed the tactics I won all but 2 matches which I drew! Beat city, arsenal and man utd (3-1) in the fa cup final!!

Can you share the players you used in each position? Might give us a better idea of why it's working for you and not for me...

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gonna give this a spin. had a tactic working really well but since the full release i cant win a game with any formation. fingers crossed you have the answer!

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gonna give this a spin. had a tactic working really well but since the full release i cant win a game with any formation. fingers crossed you have the answer!

Don't hold your breath, my early tests aren't working great.

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Ed, this is still working me for me (with high tempo), conceding horrifically from corners however that is probably my fault as I am yet to set any set piece instructions. Granted, not as prolific as previously but still effective.

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Make sure you saved it with the correct .tac file extension. No other reason it wouldn't be working.

I downloaded it and saved it the way i always do. The game just does not see the file. It the first time i have ever had this problem.

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I adapted your tactic on my southampton save and changed it to fit my players. Playing a narrow 4231 with two attacking fullbacks and two defensive midfielders. Retraining my wingers to play the AP positions. Helps a lot with the defensive shape. I have won the last 7 premier league games without conceding. Will post screenshots later.

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Ed, this is still working me for me (with high tempo), conceding horrifically from corners however that is probably my fault as I am yet to set any set piece instructions. Granted, not as prolific as previously but still effective.

Good to hear. Maybe I need to run a full season on high tempo and give it a shot - I think I'm too obsessed with the high passes and accuracy and perhaps that AND tactical stability are not possible.

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I'm still maintaining the stats you mentioned in post 46, I deffo need to look at set piece situation :D

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have u tried putting the TAC file in the tactics folder in documents>sports interactive> football manager 2015>tactics?

i find thats what i have to do when i download tactics to try, then i reboot FM n the tactics are accessible

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I downloaded it and saved it the way i always do. The game just does not see the file. It the first time i have ever had this problem.

I have the exact same problem!

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Seems like it has been a common problem between all tactics. Look at the other tactic threads in here. The same issue is arrising.

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As I have said earlier, I have modified this tactic do fit my requirements. I left pretty much all PI's the same, which is why I post my results here. I was fairly unsuccesful before not finishing in the top five in either of my first two seasons. I started using the tactic roughly ten games into my third season and have had great results so far. I hope it is ok that I post my results here like this.

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Not the strongest opponents, but clean sheets are hard to come by. My squad is hardly Man City... What you can see below is probably my best 11.

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Andreas Jensen and Nick van den Belt are both young regens. Especially Andreas Jensen has been nothing short of a revelation.

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As you can see, I haven't made many changes to the TI's either. I hope my tactic will prove to be successful against higher quality opponents too.

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I downloaded it and saved it the way i always do. The game just does not see the file. It the first time i have ever had this problem.

Seems to be an odd glitch.

Try going into manage tactics, click import, choose the tactic, import it and then you'll see it doesn't show up.

Go to the window on the right and just move the position of any player. Now click on the tactic top left and you should see the imported one at the top of that popup.

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As I have said earlier, I have modified this tactic do fit my requirements.

I'm glad you found something that's working, but this is such a fundamental change to the tactic it's essentially your own creation. This will play entirely different to my original post I'd imagine?

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have u tried putting the TAC file in the tactics folder in documents>sports interactive> football manager 2015>tactics?

i find thats what i have to do when i download tactics to try, then i reboot FM n the tactics are accessible

I'm having the same problem, it's really bugging me.

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Doesn't work here either.. None of the .tac files does but tactics named something.fmf have worked :S

See post #87.

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I'm glad you found something that's working, but this is such a fundamental change to the tactic it's essentially your own creation. This will play entirely different to my original post I'd imagine?

I suppose it does, but I wanted to give you credit, as I did copy a lot from you. Here is an example of how my defense looks.

Defensive Shift <- Link to imgur gallery.

I feel it limits a lot of the "normal" goals people are conceding.

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Namor, can you post your player instructions please, I'd be interested to see how they differ from Ed's original set-up?

Cheers

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Namor, can you post your player instructions please, I'd be interested to see how they differ from Ed's original set-up?

Cheers

I can't check right now but I think they are literally the same. Hence the reason I posted here as I don't feel any ownership over it. The DM's don't have any. I didn't think any of the ones I could choose would make sense. I just changed the wing backs to full back attack. I am sure my tactic can be improved a good bit, but it's the first that for me has been consistently successful since the full release. I was thinking about changing the False 9 into a CF Support, but I just kept winning...

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The reason the .tac files don't show up is because the format for tactics has changed now to .fmf.

If anyone has a save from the beta that had this tactic already set up... go into that save game, the tactic will still be there. Save the tactic from the tactics menu - the game will automatically save it as a .fmf file rather than a .tac. Now you will be able to load the tactic in any new saves in the same way as always.

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The reason the .tac files don't show up is because the format for tactics has changed now to .fmf.

If anyone has a save from the beta that had this tactic already set up... go into that save game, the tactic will still be there. Save the tactic from the tactics menu - the game will automatically save it as a .fmf file rather than a .tac. Now you will be able to load the tactic in any new saves in the same way as always.

Ive also added it to the steam workshop, so you can get hold of it there.

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Hey

Just want to give a bit of feedback on the tactic.

Using Liverpool and 10 games in I am on 27 points level with Chelsea. Chelsea being the only team to beat me so far and it was at Anfield.

Got some great results away to Arsenal and City but i seem to concede a few more than I would like after initially starting the season with 4 clean sheets,

Going ok in the champions league, drew 2-2 with Barca at home in a game i dominated. Generally dominate most games with a lot of shots and it may be my players but they don't seem to be very clinical. Using Sturridge up top but he doesn't score enough with Sterling my top scorer from the right wing position.

I am using a higher tempo than the original tactic due to the bad feedback i seen on this post and it is working a treat. I am really liking it!

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