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Close the thread...I'm opting out of football.

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Mods send this thread to hell. Its my thread, its ok :D

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Apart from the Russia game, the tactics have been so off.

Hodgson has so much to answer. The main thing being why test and play a diamond in qualifying/friendlies, pick a team clearly based around playing a diamond, and then bottle it back to 4-3-3 at the last minute? It makes no sense, and it clearly didn't suit the players we had.

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Not many I guess, but then no England manager would survive 2 flopped tournaments and if Hodgson fails this time, then quite rightly he should go and has failed as an England manager - same as everyone before him, apart from Ramsey, Robson and Venables.

Average means met expectations. No one counts friendlies, unless you're Welsh. He's had 5 tasks (campaigns), and has been slightly above average so far:

Euro 12 - Met expectations

Qualify for WC 14 - Met expectations

WC 14 - Failed

Qualify for Euro 16 - Exceeded expectations

Euro 16 - Failed

Slightly below average overall? :p

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Hodgson needs to go. Flopped massively as England manager, arguably the worst I've ever seen.

Until the next one.

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Never seen a worse performance for England as I saw from Kane tonight. Rooney was bad too but Kane's been consistently woeful for the duration of the tournament. Hope the next manager drops him for a while, could be the kick up the arse he needs.

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For ****s sake lads theres an important political situation going on and all you can talk about is football

well Brexit will stop our teams helping themselves to foreign youths and develop some English goales with full strength wrists, and forward men who can beat a man.

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Until the next one.

Hardly. Roy went into the tournament without knowing his best system, then decided to play with wingers, even though he'd only picked one.

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Never seen a worse performance for England as I saw from Kane tonight. Rooney was bad too but Kane's been consistently woeful for the duration of the tournament. Hope the next manager drops him for a while, could be the kick up the arse he needs.

Kane wasn't that bad, had a couple of decent efforts, thought Alli and Sturridge had shockers.

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could have done with a Random Townsend screamer tbh.

Woys selections were terrible.

only justifiable selection was Rashford

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well Brexit will stop our teams helping themselves to foreign youths and develop some English goales with full strength wrists, and forward men who can beat a man.

There are some decent GKs out there atm. Johnstone needs a Prem loan next season urgently. Pickford should get more chances for Sunderland next year. Forster we all know should really be replacing Hart. But some of them aren't getting enough chances yet.

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when are we gonna get a manager who doesnt play his players out of position is the biggest question on my lips.

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There are some decent GKs out there atm. Johnstone needs a Prem loan next season urgently. Pickford should get more chances for Sunderland next year. Forster we all know should really be replacing Hart. But some of them aren't getting enough chances yet.

Butland?!?!

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Butland?!?!

We all know about Butland though. Didn't bother mentioning him because he's 1st choice at his club but isn't ready to fight for England #1 yet.

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when are we gonna get a manager who doesnt play his players out of position is the biggest question on my lips.

id also like a manager who dosent have his 'boys'. When will we ever just pick a team/squad based on form etc

Too many of the carthorses in our squad

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Hart should be dropped because of the mistakes, but let's not kid ourselves that their are better keepers. He's the best we have, but needs to sit out for a while and see if someone else can claim the number 1 shirt.

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Yeah. Just a few players that the next manager needs to drop for the opening WC qualifiers (which, if the manager's English, won't happen sadly):

Hart - good keeper but too overconfident and that makes him prone to errors, needs to be dropped to remind him there are other capable keepers that can take his place.

Rooney - We don't know his place in the team anymore and I don't think he does either. Maybe call him up as a squad player because of his experience that he can pass down, but not as a starter.

Sterling - Too one footed, too one dimensional. Once a defender susses him out, he's out of the match. Needs to go.

Kane - Just look at the last 4 games he's played.

Wilshere - far too off the pace. Needs more games under his belt before being allowed anywhere near the England side again.

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What's the betting the FA now feel they need to be seen to be "taking action" and choose to **** over the lower leagues with B Teams...

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Am I the only who thought Sterling played ok tonight? Won the penalty, actually seemed a bit more direct, caused more problems than most?

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England don't learn from their mistakes and are destined to repeat them. The tactics and selections were a big part, but it's all the little things as well. For example, England were knocked out in Euro 2000 and Euro 2008 qualifiers by having just one keeper and not blooding anyone else. Roy goes on to use Hart in every possible game, including friendlies and non-competitive qualifiers. If England had pulled through, he wouldn't have been able to drop Hart even if he wanted to. Or if he did, his replacement would not have been fully prepared.

Overall it's the preparation that is awful nearly every time. England just bring 11 players, some of them not fit or in form, play a load of games at Wembley, then expect to go somewhere else, everyone hit form and reach the semis at least.

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Am I the only who thought Sterling played ok tonight? Won the penalty, actually seemed a bit more direct, caused more problems than most?

Yeah he was fine, but people need a scapegoat and Sterling is an easy target

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because he did nothing except run into defenders and get tackled, after he got the pen.. and even then that was more the keeper.

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Blame lies fully with Roy for this. A few players need to step aside yes but not the youngsters. Kane is our best striker and he can be for 10 years. Sterling is a young player and could still play a huge role in the future for us. They might not be guaranteed to start our next game. Good. Players are too safe. Stones should have played every game this tournament, Barkley can open defences yet never came on. Strikers don't equal goals. You need to give them service. Every decision Roy could get wrong, he got wrong. Squad, starting 11's, Sub apart from one game, tactics, set piece takers.

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Am I the only who thought Sterling played ok tonight? Won the penalty, actually seemed a bit more direct, caused more problems than most?

He's just dumb. Runs straight into defenders. There's no finesse whatsoever. Terrible.

Still wasn't the worst England player. I was worried for my windows when Kane was on free kicks.

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Sterling may be young, but Rashford is younger and did more in 8 minutes

Sterling looked impressive when he was that age. Rashford is an unknown quantity still, he's still fearless and nobody expects anything from him. He shouldn't have even been there.

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And yet he was the best player on the pitch when he was on.

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BBC gave 4's to everyone

and said this about Rashford

Almost a contender for England's man of the match with his running and endeavour…in his four minutes.

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BBC gave 4's to everyone

and said this about Rashford

Almost a contender for England's man of the match with his running and endeavour…in his four minutes.

Bit harsh to give him a 4/10 considering he didn't put a foot wrong and was simply brought on about 30 minutes too late.

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I posted this in the other thread as well but I guess a few of you will be avoiding that so I just want you to know that me, Gregg, Penge etc aren't looking for apologies or anything like that. We aren't going to rub it in your faces or anything. How were you to know we would be right about Wales being a better side? Like I say, no hard feelings from our end lads and hopefully you can enjoy watching us on Friday evening as a bit of familiarity and interest for the 1/4 finals. It'll be a tough game and I think Belgium owe us one after not beating us the past three games but we will endeavour to do our best for you boys as the only home nation remaining in the competition, and the only home nation to win our group.

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Slightly below average overall? :p

Just failed :D absolute and utter failure. I'm sorry for ever backing him. What an absolute fraud!

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Just failed :D absolute and utter failure. I'm sorry for ever backing him. What an absolute fraud!

I did try telling you before the tournament... ;)

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I did try telling you before the tournament... ;)

Yup, and I shall listen to you a bit more attentively in future...

To be fair, I wasn't to know he'd ****ing go rip up a system he used successfully in qualifying. I'm still optimistic for 2018 :D. Just need to unearth a Pogba like central midfielder. Maybe Noble's time to shine will come then.

Just a complete and utter shambles really, I don't even care or know where to begin. Rooney retiring would be a nice start.

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Rooney Retiring?

please... hardly his fault

Oh come on, of course it's not but his time is up. He's been a brilliant servant to team and rightly an England legend, but he should make way for the future. It's the right thing to do. He's too old, too slow and there's no point in shoehorning into the team.

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what Future? who else is playing in midfield other then him? Milner he is also old and slow.

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Retiring? You and I both know Rooney will still be there somewhere come 2020.

EDIT - spelling

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what Future? who else is playing in midfield other then him? Milner he is also old and slow.

Even though I enjoyed Rooney in midfield, it more or less meant we had to move Alli from playing in as the #10 where he's been insane this season.

Don't want him to retire though, still think he's one of our best players. I honestly blame our failure on Hodgson

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