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Slovakia were unlucky against Wales, they've looked the best out of the 3 other teams in our group

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I think you're giving footballers far too much credit there, in Lallana's case as well as Rooney's effort against Russia, they're just trying to **** it as hard as they can and hope it flies in

Its where the phrase 'they've hit it too well' comes from

Maybe in some cases, from distance like you say with Rooney's effort he was just aiming in the general direction but certainly with Lallana he was inside the box, balanced & trying to pick his spot.

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Resting our best players would be risky, but resting players like Alli & Kane who have been unremarkable is worth it.

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I might be thinking of it wrong then, I thought it was bouncing about and he just smashed it over the bar

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yeah i dont think replacing alli would lessen our chances of winning the game on monday at all.

everyone seems in agreement we should be playing 2 upfront so whos the number 10? lallana? i'd certainly try him as he's been good so far and he's supposed to be a 10 anyway, i think.

the diamond suits our fullbacks too and even walker could be rested for clyne without a problem.

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Resting players seems pretty crazy, a win for Wales against Russia and a draw for us means we finish 2nd and could get Portugal in the next game

Portugal aren't anything to be afraid of, the worry would be that we'd play France in the quarter finals.

If we win the group we get a 3rd place team and then likely the winner of Group F winner (probably Portugal) and Group E second place (probably Belgium) in the quarters.

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yeah i dont think replacing alli would lessen our chances of winning the game on monday at all.

everyone seems in agreement we should be playing 2 upfront so whos the number 10? lallana? i'd certainly try him as he's been good so far and he's supposed to be a 10 anyway, i think.

the diamond suits our fullbacks too and even walker could be rested for clyne without a problem.

I prefer the diamond over the 433, but I'll be happy either way with the changes everyone seems to agree on.

If we were to go to the diamond i would put lallana as #10 though for sure

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That formation and player selection could easily switch to 433 too, with Lallana and Sturridge moving wide.

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But he's the 5th best player at the tournament!

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Reactive Roy to start unchanged again and justify it by saying he liked the impact they made off the bench and planned on using them like that again. Except we win 1-0 thanks to a 43rd minute Cahill header and instead Milner, Wilshere and Henderson come off the bench to see out the win.

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...only for us to concede a stoppage time equaliser and finish 2nd. Roy bemoans hard luck but praises team for qualifying from such a tough group, before losing to Iceland on penalties.

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Lallana must be really terrible if he's playing his very best right now.

Sterling, Ali, Lallana, Kane and Hart need to be dropped for the next game.

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Lallana must be really terrible if he's playing his very best right now.

Sterling, Ali, Lallana, Kane and Hart need to be dropped for the next game.

Thats being very blinkered tbh.

Lallana has played well in both game before drifting out of them in the second half, Kane has done ok in his role as a lone forward while Alli has been trying to make things happen. Not sure what you expect Alli to do tbh, you want him trying things in the opposition third or would you rather he played safe balls like the rest of the team?

Sterling needs to be dropped while Hart hasn't had much to do in either game but flapped at both that we conceded.

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Just change Kane for Vardy. Maybe Sterling but there's no other wide player, so would also mean a change of system, which I wouldnt do right now.

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Just change Kane for Vardy. Maybe Sterling but there's no other wide player, so would also mean a change of system

To one that works?

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I think Alli has looked poor by his standards. I think he's a cracking player but he's looked either too tired or too nervous so far. Too sluggish on ball and his touch seems off? Mind you I missed the second half of the Wales game so he may have improved.

Hard to know if dropping him is right thing to do. That win may release some pressure and we may see him back to his best. If he plays like he has so far again against Slovakia I'd consider bringing Wilshere in for first knockout game.

I can't believe I'm saying that by the way. A week ago I would never have thought it possible for me to think it.

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Sterling the only one for me who needs a solid drop.

Alli and Kane I'd probably give one more chance. The goal Hart conceded might be the kick in the teeth he needs to get his head on straight. Still undecided on Lallana, I'd maybe leave him out for the next game aswell and play a front three of Sturridge/Kane/Barkley with Vardy to replace whoever is under performing during the game. Dier and Rooney I believe have done well so far although Dier should not be allowed to cross a ball :D

I would definitely have taken Townsend.

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I think Alli has looked poor by his standards. I think he's a cracking player but he's looked either too tired or too nervous so far. Too sluggish on ball and his touch seems off? Mind you I missed the second half of the Wales game so he may have improved.

Hard to know if dropping him is right thing to do. That win may release some pressure and we may see him back to his best. If he plays like he has so far again against Slovakia I'd consider bringing Wilshere in for first knockout game.

I can't believe I'm saying that by the way. A week ago I would never have thought it possible for me to think it.

Alli's often like that tbh, was better in the 2nd half though and set up the winner.

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Yeah Townsend definitely should have gone, probably over Henderson.

It's Barkley who shouldn't have gone. Henderson at least has a chance of playing.

Barkley is what? 4th choice #10 behind Alli, Rooney and Lallana? And that's even if we play with a #10.

When you think we're short of centre backs, defensive midfielders and wingers, Barkley, as 4th choice attacking midfielder who had virtually no chance of getting a game is a complete waste of a spot in the squad.

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Lallana has been getting unfair stick in the past few weeks. I'm not a fan of his normally, I think he's a player who pulls off nice tricks and turns without actually contributing anything, but this tournament I think he's been great with his incessant pressing from the front.

He does quickly fade out of the game in the second half though, so it would have made sense to bring Townsend as a replacement for him.

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Lallana has easily been one of our better players. His control and ball rentention is quite underrated and very useful at tournament football. I'm not sure on what planet people are on. You wanna make a claim that he shouldn't start, it could be entertained, but that he shouldn't even be in the squad is not even worth debating.

@scott obviously

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https://streamable.com/mgwg

The crying Wales fan played in reverse is one of the most majestic things I've ever seen. Just a man having a proper breakdown.

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I like how the stereotype of England was PASSION & GRIT but rubbish at everything else. Now don't even have that nowadays :D

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It's Barkley who shouldn't have gone. Henderson at least has a chance of playing.

Barkley is what? 4th choice #10 behind Alli, Rooney and Lallana? And that's even if we play with a #10.

When you think we're short of centre backs, defensive midfielders and wingers, Barkley, as 4th choice attacking midfielder who had virtually no chance of getting a game is a complete waste of a spot in the squad.

Rooney is playing deep and Lallana is playing wide as part of a front 3. There's an argument for either in fairness but I can't see Henderson getting on over Wilshere or Milner in the midfield.

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Convinced England are going to reach the semis now. Providing they win the group. Incredible draw to that stage

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who are we likely to play in the next rounds if we finish top?

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who are we likely to play in the next rounds if we finish top?

3rd from A, C or D. As long as it's not Croatia we should get through. Then after that we play either the winner of Group F or 2nd from E, so probably Belgium.

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Romania/Albania/Northern Ireland/Czech Republic/Croatia > Belgium/Hungary/Portugal/Iceland > SF (!)

Ridiculously easy draw to the SF

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Guys, if we get through, we're 100% playing on Saturday right?

If we top the group, it will be 5pm on Saturday. Finish 2nd and it's 8pm on Monday. 3rd place looks like it could be Saturday or Sunday.

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I think Sterling is the only nailed on drop from the starting XI

I am ok with Kane but Sturridge came on and found space and picked up the ball in different areas, Kane didn't do that. I am ok with Sturridge and/or Vardy starting and then if it's not working has no issue with Kane coming on then

This is why we 'overloaded' with strikers, gives us options

Absolutely no resting of players either

I enjoyed Rashford's little cameo the other day too. I wonder if we can actually keep a freaking clean sheet on Monday, be nice, wouldn't it. Been saying for ages but we're good for a goal, very suspect and into knockout football that may be an issue

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Yu need to lose to Slovakia.

Wales need to beat Russia.

Then there needs to be a load of teams finishing third on 4 points. I don't see that happening

Best result would be drawing with Slovaks and Russia beat Wales then Wales bottom of the group, we're top :brock:

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Romania/Albania/Northern Ireland/Czech Republic/Croatia > Belgium/Hungary/Portugal/Iceland > SF (!)

Ridiculously easy draw to the SF

Croatia then Belgium is tough if that happens. Hopefully Croatia get a point against Spain so we definitely don't have to face them. How is it being worked out which 3rd place team we face?

But yeah, any of those other 3rd place teams we should beat, then Belgium is a winnable, if difficult game. We should beat any of the teams in group F.

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Croatia then Belgium is tough if that happens. Hopefully Croatia get a point against Spain so we definitely don't have to face them. How is it being worked out which 3rd place team we face?

But yeah, any of those other 3rd place teams we should beat, then Belgium is a winnable, if difficult game. We should beat any of the teams in group F.

Depends which four 3rd place teams go through.

Of the 15 possibilities only one sees us face 3rd place in Group C and that would be the 3rd place teams coming from groups B, C, E & F.

Otherwise its 50/50 between facing 3rd place from either Group A or D, guesstimating final games we maybe have a slightly higher chance of facing 3rd place in Group D presuming we win the group.

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People underestimating Portugal tbh.

Not guaranteed to win their group. Relying on other results as well as their own.

If they get there, they'll be a challenge, but England are a better team

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People underestimating Portugal tbh.

Won't be easy but I'd be disappointed to go out to them (though they almost definitely would considering the always knock us out :D)

Funnily enough though, I actually think an awful lot of people have massively overestimated them, at least at the start of the tournament. People talking about them like they're one of the favourites etc etc.

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I find it hard to judge them. It's easy to look at their results and say they suck. But they've created a load of chances that they should have scored over the two games - Nani has had two, Ronaldo has had two (not including his penalty). Someone else has had a headed effort as well that should have gone in. So I find their results a bit 'false'. Austria had absolutely nothing and were lucky to get a 0-0. Iceland were a bit better, but also should have been beaten.

But then they won't create that many against a better team like England.

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Portugal would rip us apart.

That isn't an "England are crap blah blah blah" statement. They actually would. Our defensive positioning is poor. Portugal have a very good attack, constantly moving, passing, switching etc. Smalling wont know whats hit him.

Portugal have played an Iceland side playing with no pressure on them whatsoever and were just very unlucky last night against Austria. Who, don't forget, were a lot of peoples dark horses before a ball was kicked.

I've not seen one team that might/will/should qualify that England would beat.

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So from that list above, where I outlined every team cEngland can face on the way to the SF, you don't think they can beat any of them?

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