themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 The problem with Wilshere is that although he does bring the ball out, he then carries on running with it, gets knocked off the ball with ease and then leaves a huge gap in the midfield. Exactly what he was doing last two appearances for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Don't forget that if there is a further injury corroborated by UEFA doctors we can still make changes to the squad up until the day of the tournament starting usually. Every chance Wilshere's legs will give out before then and Drinkwater will be back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Those who do not learn from their mistakes are destined to repeat them, such as calling up injured or unfit players and not using friendlies so you have solid replacements for these players instead. If England are unspectacular, I'll be looking at this as the main reason. Milner might be alright as a backup for Dier. We're assuming Dier even gets injured, suspended or fails to perform, in which case Milner could do fine. Especially in the group stages which is effectively an extension of qualifying, which England owned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael F Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wilshire will end up getting injured getting out of bed, no idea why he's gone when he's hardly played this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Don't forget that if there is a further injury corroborated by UEFA doctors we can still make changes to the squad up until the day of the tournament starting usually.Every chance Wilshere's legs will give out before then and Drinkwater will be back in. I hope so we should have taken him but we all knew roy was taking Wilshire/Henderson no matter what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I'm honestly quite angry that Wilshere got the spot ahead of Drinkwater. Wilshere has done literally nothing this season while Drinkwater's proved his worth again and again. I feel bad for saying it but can Wilshere please pick up a knock in the Portugal game that rules him out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Drinkwater has proven his worth to Leicester, not England. Also, saying that he's proven his worth "again and again" is absolute nonsense. I maintain that you could put Noble in for Drinkwater and the outcome would have probably been the same And classy move, wishing injury on a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wilshere's made of glass so it's not really wishing anything. I don't think he'll play much, if at all. If he plays he's going to be miles off the pace and probably get a knock during the tournament anyway. He's not really got a place in the current system either because he's not a holding midfielder, yet that's where he seems set to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Erm... Wilshere's starting most of the games. That's pretty obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 He's not got a place in his natural position though. He's not a holding mid, and Henderson/Milner are ahead of him in the central midfield roles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 QUOTE=wandsfan93;10857673]Wilshere's made of glass so it's not really wishing anything. I don't think he'll play much, if at all. If he plays he's going to be miles off the pace and probably get a knock during the tournament anyway. He's not really got a place in the current system either because he's not a holding midfielder, yet that's where he seems set to play. this for me, not wanting to see any player pick up an injury(but he is like phil jones its going to happen)his fitness will be poor so will Henderson's, roy is a fool picking 1 of them let alone both the squad is not balanced roy has picked only 3 CB (ok dier can cover but he is our no.1 DM now so who covers him???? if not selecting 4 CB he had to pick drinkwater) dier needs to be covered in cotton wool added to this he has only put rashford in due to injury concerns over sturridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennon67 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 How many stars does Wilshere have left to reach his potential? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty206 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Call me biased but can't believe Townsend has been dropped from the national squad. Perfect player to bring on at 75 mins against tired legs at least. Has proved he can create goals,score goals,(including free-kicks) and beat a man with pace on the inside and out. Bringing him and Rashford on late on in a tight game would cause major headaches for the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Exactly what he was doing last two appearances for us. Yeah but he had two MotM matches against Slovenia two years ago! Can't forget these things. I like Wilshere but my god, I hope he picks up a tiny knock or a cold or something, no chance should he be going. Makes an absolute shambles of the whole process of actually having a good season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 For all these comments knocking Wilshire and how he shouldn't be going. I'd rather take a risk that a) he will stay fit and b) come into some form with games then have another static plodding central midfield featuring Henderson and/or Milner who constantly pass sideways without making any kind of threat on the opposition goal. At least Rooney has had a few weeks off from people moaning about his contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 based on talent Wilshire is the first name on the team sheet:thup: but taking him and Henderson/sturridge is folly take one of those 3 for me it would be Wilshire with the right cover in the squad if he then breaks down not the end of the world, but 2 other players also with injury concerns is a bad call Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Lads, it's Wilshere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Lads, it's Wilshere You keep mentioning it, like it glosses over the concerns around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 He is the only English midfielder who can do what he does though, probably worth the gamble when it's virtually impossible to get knocked out at the group stages so he can play his way into the tournament. The problem is Roy has put too many eggs in one or two baskets. No need to take so many forwards, need to have more cover for Dier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 im surprised phil jones isn't there too after all between may and august is the only time he is fit:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 He is the only English midfielder who can do what he does though' date=' probably worth the gamble when it's virtually impossible to get knocked out at the group stages so he can play his way into the tournament. The problem is Roy has put too many eggs in one or two baskets. [u']No need to take so many forwards, need to have more cover for Dier[/u]. this 100% if he gets injured we are in the poo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Lads, it's Wilshere The amount of times I've seen that misspelt on here and Facebook today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 this 100% if he gets injured we are in the poo There's too much hoping around this squad so close to the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 There's too much hoping around this squad so close to the tournament. yes its not balanced to me in several places but there you go that's roy lets hope those made of glass don't break and we get lucky we never seem to learn though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 As usual, England squad being picked on who plays for the big clubs. Love to see them massively fail yet again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 so many spurs players... hope they remain out of spurs bottling mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 All this talk about Drinkwater not proving himself for England then what exactly was the point in bringing him in for the friendlies? He did ok last game out and, in his debut he was man of the match vs Holland. I feel he is more justified having a place in the England squad than Wilshere and even Barkley. Plus let's not forget that he and Vardy have a similar connection to Gerrard and Owen in the ttpes of passes Drinkwater does to spring Vardy through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Seriously? . They have a connection like Gerrard and Owen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Don't forget that if there is a further injury corroborated by UEFA doctors we can still make changes to the squad up until the day of the tournament starting usually.Every chance Wilshere's legs will give out before then and Drinkwater will be back in. Nope, Drinkwater's not even on standby (Delph is though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Nope, Drinkwater's not even on standby (Delph is though). That's very strange ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 That's very strange ? Delph (Man City) Drinkwater (Leicester) I believe the answer is in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Seriously? . They have a connection like Gerrard and Owen? I see what he means; all four of them are one dimensional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Not sure why people are upset with Wilshere over Drinkwater, its Rashford that has been picked over Drinkwater, no way we need to be taking 5 strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Not sure why people are upset with Wilshere over Drinkwater, its Rashford that has been picked over Drinkwater, no way we need to be taking 5 strikers It's the taking of 1 winger that annoys me the most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Drinkwater isn't even on standby? What?!? Yet Delph who is currently injured is. What the hell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Not sure why people are upset with Wilshere over Drinkwater, its Rashford that has been picked over Drinkwater, no way we need to be taking 5 strikers It's not necessarily Wilshere or Rashford vs Drinkwater, but I agree on the 5 forwards Do we need all of Barkley/Sterling/Lallana for the 10 spot too. Do we need both Milner and Henderson if you are taking all 3 10s that I mentioned, feels top heavy, and slightly off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 It's not necessarily Wilshere or Rashford vs Drinkwater, but I agree on the 5 forwards Do we need all of Barkley/Sterling/Lallana for the 10 spot too. Do we need both Milner and Henderson if you are taking all 3 10s that I mentioned, feels top heavy, and slightly off Alli is a 10 too! I just have no idea what Hodgson is thinking of playing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Omg. Wilshere only played THREE games for Arsenal this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Omg.Wilshere only played THREE games for Arsenal this season Featured in three games, even then only completed 142 minutes iirc out of 270. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Where are people getting the standby squad info? I can't find it on any news sites or Twitter. The only thing I have found is Hodgson saying Delph "will be on standby" when he announced he was injured and wouldn't be in the 23. This doesn't necessarily mean he's the only standby or ahead of Drinkwater, does it? Unless I've missed some other announcement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 No that's how I read it. Hodge just had to make a point of saying Delph was now only "on standby" ahead of the Australia game because he was already injured before that. We haven't published a full standby list beyond that. So it doesn't mean Delph would get in ahead of Drinkwater or Townsend if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Exactly. There is no way that it won't be Drinkwater or Townsend called up if any midfielder or forward gets injured. Everyone else is on holiday. Delph will be 3rd in line. No idea what he'd do if a defender got injured. You'd like to think he's had a private word with a couple not to go on holiday and to keep fit. Otherwise he'd have to delve into Toulon team... who did we have as CB there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 5 forwards is fair enough as they offer different things. It's not like we play one up top and the other 4 are backups. Kane obviously is the proper out and out centre forward, Sturridge can play a wide attacking role in a 4-3-3 and Vardy will probably be used in this way too. Rooney could play behind Kane or play in midfield, whilst Rashford is then a back-up. It's quite possible that 3 of these could start every match, with the other 2 being used off the bench. Midfield is the issue, where we have way too many number 10s (especially if you include Rooney). But I suppose Roy is doing it Brendan Rodgers style, have loads of number 10s and just one natural winger in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Exactly. There is no way that it won't be Drinkwater or Townsend called up if any midfielder or forward gets injured. Everyone else is on holiday. Delph will be 3rd in line.No idea what he'd do if a defender got injured. You'd like to think he's had a private word with a couple not to go on holiday and to keep fit. Otherwise he'd have to delve into Toulon team... who did we have as CB there? Maybe JT is on standby? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I think his logic is probably that any CB injury means Dier becomes 3rd CB and Drinkwater takes his spot in squad. I shudder at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Exactly. There is no way that it won't be Drinkwater or Townsend called up if any midfielder or forward gets injured. Everyone else is on holiday. Delph will be 3rd in line.No idea what he'd do if a defender got injured. You'd like to think he's had a private word with a couple not to go on holiday and to keep fit. Otherwise he'd have to delve into Toulon team... who did we have as CB there? Calum Chambers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I shudder at the 3 CBs already in the squad. They will get shown up by any decent forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If we're going by form, I don't know why Bradley Wright-Phillips didn't get a call up. Scored another hattrick the other night didn't he? Make that 8 in 4 games or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 The way yellow cards are handed out these days too it's not just injuries but suspension for CBs Any of our full backs play CB before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If we're going by form, I don't know why Bradley Wright-Phillips didn't get a call up. Scored another hattrick the other night didn't he? Make that 8 in 4 games or so. He's in an inferior league so it doesn't count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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