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Who cares how much experience they've both got? Alli is clearly a superior player to the quite limited Ward-Prowse.

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Who cares how much experience they've both got? Alli is clearly a superior player to the quite limited Ward-Prowse.

Spurs and Southampton have been at similar levels in the Premier League in the last 2 seasons, for Ward-Prowse to have been involved in 10x more games at a top half Premier League club than Alli shows he has been playing at a high level for longer. I think Ward-Prowse also has stiffer competition this season for a starting place compared to Alli at Spurs. Put Victor Wanyama and Jordy Clasie in Spurs squad and Alli would struggle to have as much gametime as he is getting.

Allí has played only 10 Premier League games, as a Villa fan how much have you really seen of him to say he is "clearly superior" compared with Ward-Prowse? Why is Ward-Prowse "quite limited" in comparision? Why are you so dismissive of him?

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Hodgson clearly has Ward-Prowse in mind for a call-up...

"We've kept our hands off him simply because of the Under-21s, but we know he's a big prospect. He'll be in our thoughts because we like him very much."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32183150

I think he believes Ward-Prowse captaining England under 21s is better for him than brief cameos in the England senior side.

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Ali has affected more games in his 10 than JWP has done in his 104 tbf.

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for Ward-Prowse to have been involved in 10x more games at a top half Premier League club than Alli shows he has been playing at a high level for longer.

Yea been there longer, doesn't automatically make him better.

Lennon has been at a high level longer then Lingard/Ibe. Wouldn't say Lennon is better then Lingard/Ibe though.

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Lennon is past his peak though, Lennon a few years ago was much better than those 2 currently are (although more limited).

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Ali has affected more games in his 10 than JWP has done in his 104 tbf.

They have two totally different roles?

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They have two totally different roles?

Ummm, I'm not sure they do. Both are versatile and have been used in different roles. I'm not too sure about Ali so correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've seen he started off playing off the front man in a 4231 and now plays in the 2. JWP has been used in pretty much every role, in the 2, behind the front guy and on the right and yet apart from odd moments (mainly his crossing) I can safely say I haven't come away from a game and thought he really affected it. He's a good player, good range of passing and has good moments in games but from the little I've seen of Ali I'd say he has had more influence in games, whatever role.

I agree with what MLG was saying about the squad though. If Spurs signed Wanyama like they wanted to Ali probably wouldn't have played as much. Our midfield is probably tougher to get into but JWP isn't making it tough to leave him out of it.

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I don't mind Dier getting a look in there. Didn't he not want to be picked for U21s before cause he wasn't ready or something? Seize the day, young man, any chance you get. Can't remember the details but remember stroking my chin and saying Hmmmmm suspiciously at the time

He pulled out of a friendly because he wanted to concentrate on training with Spurs as it was not long after he arrived. Southgate the petty little slug then dropped him from the Euro squad in favour of Ben Gibson, Liam Moore and Michael Keane despite Dier having played every game prior to the tournament.

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I never like a player turning down call ups but I think these things should be kept in house as there can be valid reasons. When they enter the public domain they never come across good

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I never like a player turning down call ups but I think these things should be kept in house as there can be valid reasons. When they enter the public domain they never come across good

Dier's one was vaild tbh, he was thrown under the bus a bit by Southgate

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Really not difficult to spot the London based football fans in these threads.

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Really not difficult to spot the London based football fans in these threads.

We're the ones that are able to speak a sentence without dribbling

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It's Wiggins, he doesn't think about things like that. Leave him alone

Conveniently ignoring the lady with the mop following you about there

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Matchday! Time to see how good we are against a proper team etc., I suspect not very.

Wazza to start on the bench.

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Matchday! Time to see how good we are against a proper team etc., I suspect not very.

Wazza to start on the bench.

Barkley behind Kane on the counter, should be good.

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Should it be? Barkley could be amazing or more likely very frustrating overrunning the ball and not passing. Kane isn't quick enough to challenge them in behind so we are relying on him bringing others in which can be hit and miss

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Should it be? Barkley could be amazing or more likely very frustrating overrunning the ball and not passing. Kane isn't quick enough to challenge them in behind so we are relying on him bringing others in which can be hit and miss

We are trying something different, which is what we should be doing in a friendly. Whether it works is a different question. But it's good that we are giving both the chance to start against top class opposition and give them the opportunity to learn from it.

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Any idea of how much Spain are going to experiment?

I'd like to see as few 'regulars' as possible today, see how they get on and then back to plan A for be France game.

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Any idea of how much Spain are going to experiment?

I'd like to see as few 'regulars' as possible today, see how they get on and then back to plan A for be France game.

Not sure tbh, he's usually relatively conservative in his selection (no surprises in his 24), so I would still expect it to be pretty strong.

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We are trying something different, which is what we should be doing in a friendly. Whether it works is a different question. But it's good that we are giving both the chance to start against top class opposition and give them the opportunity to learn from it.

Oh right. That's fair enough thought you were talking about how it will go on the pitch

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Real lack of options out wide with Walcott and Ox missing out. Rooney on the bench. Vardy and Milner injured (I think).

Sterling and Lallana to start but literally nobody else. Possible see a narrow formation at some point in the 2nd when Rooney comes on?

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Oh right. That's fair enough thought you were talking about how it will go on the pitch

Oh no, though I can see my wording wasn't great in fairness. Agree Barkley can be hit and miss, he holds on to the ball for too long, after he initially does well making space.

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Real lack of options out wide with Walcott and Ox missing out. Rooney on the bench. Vardy and Milner injured (I think).

Sterling and Lallana to start but literally nobody else. Possible see a narrow formation at some point in the 2nd when Rooney comes on?

I quite like those two as a pairing out wide balance wise. Not so sure how much of an impact Lallana will have.

Oh no, though I can see my wording wasn't great in fairness. Agree Barkley can be hit and miss, he holds on to the ball for too long, after he initially does well making space.

Barkley is a typical English player. Like a Gerrard or a Wilshere has ridiculous natural technical and physical traits yet may not ever maximise as a result of not being taught about certain mental parts of the game well enough

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Got to be looking at winning this.

Since World Cup Germany, France and Holland have all beaten Spain in friendlies without conceding so we ought to be matching them if we are to have some hope of doing well at the Euros.

Would like to see Sterling behind Kane personally.

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@SJ234 - Barkley not a typical English player at all IMO. Has a lot more skill and technique than our other recent top talents, and he combines it with physical power. Gerrard was never technically brilliant.

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@SJ234 - Barkley not a typical English player at all IMO. Has a lot more skill and technique than our other recent top talents, and he combines it with physical power. Gerrard was never technically brilliant.

What????

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What????

Can't you read?

His technique was never brilliant. Good yes but nothing compared to some players.

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Not really sure Barkley's technique is really all that. And besides, the main thing he's missing is composure and intelligence. Gives the ball away too much.

We'll either get tonked tonight or win narrowly and "we're going to win the Euros" mania starts.

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@SJ234 - Barkley not a typical English player at all IMO. Has a lot more skill and technique than our other recent top talents, and he combines it with physical power. Gerrard was never technically brilliant.

Yeah I disagree. Gerrard has just as much technique as Barkley

Not really sure Barkley's technique is really all that. And besides, the main thing he's missing is composure and intelligence. Gives the ball away too much.

We'll either get tonked tonight or win narrowly and "we're going to win the Euros" mania starts.

Just watch how he runs and some of the things he can do striking the ball. It's clear he has an excellent technique

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Hart

Walker

Jones

Smalling

Bertrand

Carrick

Delph

Lallana

Barkley

Sterling

Kane

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Have England played in Spain since that game with the monkey chants?

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Played a friendly in 2009 in Seville iirc we refused to go back to Madrid. The monkey chants game was 2004.

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Ah right that'd explain why they didn't go to the Bernabeu or Nou Camp for tonight's game.

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Ah right that'd explain why they didn't go to the Bernabeu or Nou Camp for tonight's game.

Didn't go Bernabeu because of Pique. The fact Madrid hate him with a passion, 80k Madrid fans wouldn't be ideal especially with El Clasico next week. Would be such a toxic atmosphere for a home game :D

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Madrid fans are arseholes basically.

It baffles me how Iker Casillas is still chosen ahead of de Gea.

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It doesn't help that he's heavily pro Catalonia having their independence too.

Iker is a prime example of a managers favourite player. VDB will never ever drop him :/

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Iker Casillas will be starting for Spain as long as VDB is in charge. Even long after he's retired.

If there's one thing van Gaal has done right at Man Utd, it's improving the defenders. Smalling's been so impressive in recent months.

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Barkley still has so much to improve on in final third, so good at travelling with the ball and initially creating something but always takes too long before either shooting wide or running into a crowd of people :(

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Me talking to my mum during the build up to the goal: "I don't get why they're so far up Spain's arse, they haven't scored y-oh well I sure tempted fate"

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great goal but the words you don't want to hear at this level are "Bertrand is out of position, sterling is covering"

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I cant help but feel this is what we will see in the summer. It will be 3 in a row for Roy of rubbish football and a group stage exit.

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I cant help but feel this is what we will see in the summer. It will be 3 in a row for Roy of rubbish football and a group stage exit.

erm he made it through the group stage in Euro 2012.

Not sure why Walker was penalized there.

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