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Its partly my anti Derby bias, but i dont rate Hughes that highly, maybe ive just had bad luck picking games, but ive seen him play plenty of times and tried to focus on his play due to the rep and hype he has, but he hasnt impressed in any of the games ive watched, he has a nice shot on him at times, but the thing he seems best at is falling over at the slightest contact, as you say though, he is still young

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oh well once Leeds do the inevitable and sell 2 of their best youngsters again, Lewis Cook will blossom into that Carrick role in 5 years time :D .................... when he's playing for a prem team

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Where's all the Townsend haters at? Could Sterling do that? Could he ****.

Ross Barkley btw what a player he will be.

Needs to learn to spot a pass when it's on a plate for him e.g. that counter attack with Rooney in miles of space but he just had his head down and ran. It's the ability to spot a pass that'll really make him a counter attacking threat.

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Needs to learn to spot a pass when it's on a plate for him e.g. that counter attack with Rooney in miles of space but he just had his head down and ran. It's the ability to spot a pass that'll really make him a counter attacking threat.

Yeah he could have made it early...could see he was trying to get into a position which made the pass easier though.

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Barkley is on one level brilliant and another absolutely rubbish. He is one of the most naturally gifted footballers I have ever seen what he can do is quite simply ridiculous however his decision making and vision are really poor. He frequently moves with the ball with his head down missing the easy opportunities and his decision making can be laboured.

He made a positive impact last night because he can actually play the 10 position unlike Rooney and Walcott.

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Well, he's still very young- it's quite rare to get a no10 at that age who excels with his decision making. Give him time, could be amazing.

Whilst true his is behind where it should be and more importantly for a 10 he doesn't create a lot.

Had a quick look at his creation stats and they are even worse than I thought. 2 assists in 76 games and this season in the premier league is the first competition he has averaged creating a chance a game.

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Whilst true his is behind where it should be and more importantly for a 10 he doesn't create a lot.

Had a quick look at his creation stats and they are even worse than I thought. 2 assists in 76 games and this season in the premier league is the first competition he has averaged creating a chance a game.

He's been player a lot deeper this season to be fair to him.

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He's been player a lot deeper this season to be fair to him.

He has created more this season than ever before given he has gone deeper what does this suggest?

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Speaking of assists, Ryan Mason now has as many for England as Jack Wilshere :*)

I think Wilshere has two assists for England....

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Don't think Barkley is a number 10, certainly not a creative attacking midfielder. He has little vision and moves with his head down far too often. To be a good no.10, even half decent, you need to have the ability to see everything, and you can't do that looking at your feet and only looking up occasionally. I believe him when he said he's a striker, he has all the attributes to be an explosive striker and has quite a wicked shot on him.

How many goals has he assisted throughout his career so far, 1, 2? Not good enough and I don't think he will be.

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Speaking of assists, Ryan Mason now has as many for England as Jack Wilshere :*)

what's the story with the tattoo?

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Its partly my anti Derby bias, but i dont rate Hughes that highly, maybe ive just had bad luck picking games, but ive seen him play plenty of times and tried to focus on his play due to the rep and hype he has, but he hasnt impressed in any of the games ive watched, he has a nice shot on him at times, but the thing he seems best at is falling over at the slightest contact, as you say though, he is still young

I'm the opposite really. Seen him a few times in person against Leeds, and then a few on the TV and he's constantly stood out. His movement, intelligence and ability to pick a pass is superb for somebody his age. I'd like him to spend a couple more years at Derby and then eventually move to a better side. It'd be nice if Derby went up and he was able to highlight his ability there, mind.

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Whilst true his is behind where it should be and more importantly for a 10 he doesn't create a lot.

Had a quick look at his creation stats and they are even worse than I thought. 2 assists in 76 games and this season in the premier league is the first competition he has averaged creating a chance a game.

Well how many times has he actually played as a no10? I'm not even sure that is his best position.

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Well how many times has he actually played as a no10? I'm not even sure that is his best position.

I am not overly convinced it is. This season 10 times apparently in which he played as the 10 he managed the 2 assists. Last season I believe he played there quite a lot.

Given what he is best at is dribbling with the ball I think his best position or at least starting position is deeper. However he has previously shown good movement when at 10 it's just he doesn't create when it actually gets to him

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Also depends what you want from your number 10, that player that floats around supplying the killer balls? Someone to break beyond the lead striker and score goals? Different variations and I don't think he or club/national side know what they want him to do. Just hope he doesn't get used as a gap filler for England over the next 2-4 years similar to Jones.

For me 4-3-3 is the way forward with England, and that doesn't require a out right number 10. So Barkley can play deeper and provide the surging runs, may not create direct assists, but by those runs he would draw defenders and holding midfielders out of position allowing more space for the main striker/attackers to operate. Just with the 4-3-3 the midfield should pick it self. Carrick deeper of the CMS with Henderson and one other alongside (I'd have Barkley ahead of Wilshere when both fit), it's the attacking players which are the problem (good problem). When Rooney is in the sort of form he is now for England and club, he should start up front and no where else, so if that means Kane/Sturridge being on bench so be it. If Rooney is not in form, he has to be dropped for a Kane/Sturridge if they're in form. Problem is Roy simply won't do that and overall balance is usually sacrificed. If Rooney is up top I'd have Welbeck in the left channel as he does this well enough for England, with Sterling on right.

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Don't think Barkley is a number 10, certainly not a creative attacking midfielder. He has little vision and moves with his head down far too often. To be a good no.10, even half decent, you need to have the ability to see everything, and you can't do that looking at your feet and only looking up occasionally. I believe him when he said he's a striker, he has all the attributes to be an explosive striker and has quite a wicked shot on him.

How many goals has he assisted throughout his career so far, 1, 2? Not good enough and I don't think he will be.

He's a second striker currently. I think the outrage is everyone thinking he was claiming to be a number 9. His vision is okay, but it will get better, especially as his confidence improves. I think pointing to his assist totals is not a great indicator purely because it depends on someone else to finish the job. He does create chances.

If you actually watch him, his defensive work is hilarious. Mostly consists of standing in front of someone acting like he will try a tackle, and then letting them run around him.

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I agree with most of what you say Pearcey and I think I was one of many before the world cup hoping for 4-3-3 instead of Rooney at 10. I think it gets the best out of our midfielders and attackers. I would go Wilshere ahead of Barkley if fit (massive if) as that is the system which gets the very best out of him and he has more to offer in terms of incision and link up play than Barkley.

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I agree with most of what you say Pearcey and I think I was one of many before the world cup hoping for 4-3-3 instead of Rooney at 10. I think it gets the best out of our midfielders and attackers. I would go Wilshere ahead of Barkley if fit (massive if) as that is the system which gets the very best out of him and he has more to offer in terms of incision and link up play than Barkley.
The diamond is still an option, but it needs to be seen as a tactical alternative, not just a formation you can default to when you want to shoehorn your players in.

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The diamond is still an option, but it needs to be seen as a tactical alternative, not just a formation you can default to when you want to shoehorn your players in.

Yeah I like that also as long as Rooney is upfront. The line up yesterday was hilarious and doomed to fail. Walcott drifting around and eventually playing 10 was absurd. I think it is something to be used in certain games with Sterling at the tip of it and Rooney plus one of the Welbeck/Sturridge.

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Yeah I like that also as long as Rooney is upfront. The line up yesterday was hilarious and doomed to fail. Walcott drifting around and eventually playing 10 was absurd. I think it is something to be used in certain games with Sterling at the tip of it and Rooney plus one of the Welbeck/Sturridge.

The line up yesterday was utterly pointless. Waste of a game really

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He's a second striker currently. I think the outrage is everyone thinking he was claiming to be a number 9. His vision is okay, but it will get better, especially as his confidence improves. I think pointing to his assist totals is not a great indicator purely because it depends on someone else to finish the job. He does create chances.

If you actually watch him, his defensive work is hilarious. Mostly consists of standing in front of someone acting like he will try a tackle, and then letting them run around him.

I dunno about that, I don't think he creates many chances at all, especially for an attacking player. Obviously stats don't tell the entire story, but Barkley creates on average 0.8 Key passes per game, that over 34 matches this season (whoscored).

Compare that to, I don't know, Sterling, who has 2.2 key passes on average over his 28 games.

Sterling is a much better fit for a creative no.10 in the long term for England. Both young though, so lots of time for improvement.

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He's a second striker currently. I think the outrage is everyone thinking he was claiming to be a number 9. His vision is okay, but it will get better, especially as his confidence improves. I think pointing to his assist totals is not a great indicator purely because it depends on someone else to finish the job. He does create chances.

If you actually watch him, his defensive work is hilarious. Mostly consists of standing in front of someone acting like he will try a tackle, and then letting them run around him.

He doesn't create chances though. Or not many at least. He is a frustrating player as the talent is so clear

The line up yesterday was utterly pointless. Waste of a game really

Yep might as well have played the under 21s

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Well, he's still very young- it's quite rare to get a no10 at that age who excels with his decision making. Give him time, could be amazing.

Time and coaching. Of course he need coaching staff telling him what he's doing right and wrong. I think Hodgson even mentioned during World Cup friendlies about needing to improve his ball retention and not give it away so much, which is up there with not picking a pass/giving it away but I like him a lot

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With Foster and Forster still injured and Green and Heaton both in the Championship now, who's gonna be backup to Hart in the next England squad? As far as I'm aware the only three English keepers currently playing as first choice in the Premier League are Jack Butland (Stoke), Alex McCarthy (Crystal Palace) and John Ruddy (Norwich). So it's pretty much down to being 2 out of those three to get the nod. McCarthy may not even be guaranteed the start once Speroni returns for Palace though which is a concern unless he can show he' deserving of the number 1 spot in place of the ageing Argentine.

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Squad for San Marino away and Switzerland at home

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Jack Butland (Stoke City), Tom Heaton (Burnley).

Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones, Phil Jagielka (Both Everton).

Midfielders: Michael Carrick (Manchester United), James Milner (Liverpool), Ross Barkley (Everton), Jonjo Shelvey (Swansea), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling, Fabian Delph (Both Manchester City), Ryan Mason (Tottenham).

Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Harry Kane (Tottenham), Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Theo Walcott (Arsenal).

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Would have thought Ruddy would be ahead of Heaton, not like 3rd choice keeper matters anyway.

Seriously need those midfielders to step up these games with goals, as if the striker(s) fail to deliver we need them to score like Lamps/Gerrard have done in the past.

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Pretty much bang on for me.

Can't really change it which says a lot about the depth in talent.

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This is Woy we're talking about. You just know the team will look like:

Hart; Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Shaw; Carrick, Milner, Sterling; Walcott, Rooney, Ox.

He'll still find a reason not to play Clyne and shoe horn Sterling in #10 while playing the Arsenal players on the wings.

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Rooney needs to be dropped.

For? No goals Kane? Not a striker Walcott? Wtf is he doing there Vardy?

Still the best we have. Which is utterly depressing.

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Kane hasn't scored but has still looked absolutely miles ahead of Rooney

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We have the first XI side together so little I expect we'll start with a more or less first choice team but the likes of San Marino away is the perfect opportunity to put maybe 2 fringe/younger players in with the first XI

Like maybe Shelvey, he's in top form. We have players playing against minnows that don't really put their stamp on the game so I'd like to see if Shelvey would take more responsibility in a game like this as that would convince me he can take responsiblity against other countries.

Definitely Ox and Barkley though

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Am I right in saying we're qualified if (when) we beat San Marino if Slovenia drop points? They are away in Switzerland but not kicking off until after our game is finished.

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I think I read that somewhere too. Which surely means if we win both games we're also through?

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Nah, looks like we are through on Saturday actually, whatever happens elsewhere.

We will be on 21 points assuming we beat San Marino; Slovenia in third are only on 9 so the most they can finish on is 21 even if they win all four of their remaining games. But then they use head-to-head record rather than goal difference where teams are level on points and we've already beaten Slovenia both home and away.

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Need to win the group for the top seed thing

Mind you, was there much doubt about qualifying with top 2 and then a 3rd in play offs :p

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2010 under Capello was closed, we had qualified already and lost to Ukraine. Rob Green sent off in that one? Bit of a mess

We should really be beating Switzerland at home tbh

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Stones, Shelvey and Vardy all to start tomorrow. Makes sense to give some players a run out in a game like this.

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How many do you think England will score today?

Anything less than 4 is a bit shoddy no?

Was looking at the top goalscorers list, and still surprised Shearer only scored 30 and only played 64 times. If it wasn't for those injuries, he'd have scored so many more.

Then you have Owen on 40! Which is mad, but again, if he didn't burn out at 26 can you imagine what he'd have ended up on?

Greave's record is still amazing. Something like 47 in 54 games. What was the story there, was he injured a lot? Retire early?

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