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heh, thats pretty cool of Buffon to make sure he swapped shirts with Townsend

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Well what have we learnt from tonight... well nothing we already didn't know. Jones is not a midfielder, and Rooney has to play upfront, nowhere else Roy!! Something you would have thought he had learnt from the World Cup...

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Well what have we learnt from tonight... well nothing we already didn't know. Jones is not a midfielder, and Rooney has to play upfront, nowhere else Roy!! Something you would have thought he had learnt from the World Cup...

Yeah Rooney is awful on the wings, very average in midfield- upfront he is still very good.

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Where's all the Townsend haters at? Could Sterling do that? Could he ****.

Ross Barkley btw what a player he will be.

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Townsend scored? Whats that then, 2 goals in 422 shots now?

**** me, if someone as one dimensionally **** as Townsend is being lauded, we have no hope.

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Where's all the Townsend haters at? Could Sterling do that? Could he ****.

Ross Barkley btw what a player he will be.

One good strike doesn't make him any good, though. You could also list the 40 other things Sterling can do that Townsend can't.

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Townsend scored? Whats that then, 2 goals in 422 shots now?

**** me, if someone as one dimensionally **** as Townsend is being lauded, we have no hope.

For England his strike rate is pretty good!

I don't rate him though, he does some decent things every now and then- he seems like such a likeable person as well, but should be nothing more than an impact sub.

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We get these things in our heads in England from early on and we will NOT change

The prevailing wisdom is that Rooney will end up in midfield. For me, that is yeah, when he's 34 or 35 but I'd always have him up top. As that has been repeated over and over it's become accepted now as this is what will happen and it's correct and anything else is wrong.

No, no, it's not but you can guarantee we'll hear it again and again though. Nothing will change the minds of people and everyone has decided Rooney will play in midfield based on hearing this over and over

It's like Jack Rodwell. "He'll be like Rio Ferdinand centre back" said, someone ... once, at some point. After that we will accept nothing else .. Rodwell WILL be a centre back. He wasn't and is nothing like one. Whatever he did from then on was measured against his potential centre back abilities. He could rampage forward and score a hat trick and the reaction would be 'well ... this is not what we want from a centre back ... he'll have to learn' instead of changing the thinking that maybe just maybe players change as they age and develop and he could be a box to box midfielder instead ... nope, he's the next Rio Ferdinand and we won't have anything else!!

This is like with Rooney and midfield ... just no, stop it

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One good strike doesn't make him any good, though. You could also list the 40 other things Sterling can do that Townsend can't.

As long as Sterling does them for England I'll be happy

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Townsend has 80 shots before 1 goes on target and goes in. Thankfully he uses 79 of them at Spurs then the one other flys in for England. He can stick to a cameo role at end when we're desperate like today, just never starting like Walcott shouldn't be.

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If Townsend had 80 shots for England and 1 went in I'd be happy. No one else in midfield seems to fancy a shot

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Razzler, how do you feel about Carrick's good 45 mins?

Yeah, he did good

It's a bit late to be bursting into the first XI I think

He's had opportunities down the years to be good for England even in the last qual campaign

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When we were 2-1 down against Italy in the WC what did Sterling do then? Nothing.

I like Sterling but Townsend is unique and can be a very good weapon.

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if we would have started with that 2nd half team and that shape, we'd have won today

That's the stupid thing. We hear these reports of wanting to play a diamond and then we just do it regardless of the Italian line up. We can look at their line up and decide today is not the day for this but we just press ahead and make things difficult

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Yeah, he did good

It's a bit late to be bursting into the first XI I think

He's had opportunities down the years to be good for England even in the last qual campaign

Should have been made a permanent fixture a long time ago…but yeah bit late. Well done Razzler, you showed some appreciation for Carrick!!

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Carrick was excellent when he came on and set a great tempo for us. Having someone in midfield who could play forward passes and through balls was exactly what we needed. Was sick and tired of all the crab like passing first half.

Pretty positive season for us so far, really liking the depth of talent coming through as well.

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Townsend is unique and can be a very good weapon.

For sure, if you pick him up by the ankles and hit someone with him, that would do some damage.

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I would never say Carrick has never had a good game in his bloody career ffs :D He's been great for United in long spells even

Away to Croatia, away to Poland, home to Romania, etc ... these are the sort of games I want Carrick stepping up in and influencing. He's played those sort of games down the years and not really performed

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Townsend scored? Whats that then, 2 goals in 422 shots now?

**** me, if someone as one dimensionally **** as Townsend is being lauded, we have no hope.

He's absolutely perfect for that situation though, at 1-0 you want players coming on and running at the opposition. He's a fantastic option from the bench and he deserves praise as one.

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I would never say Carrick has never had a good game in his bloody career ffs :D He's been great for United in long spells even

Away to Croatia, away to Poland, home to Romania, etc ... these are the sort of games I want Carrick stepping up in and influencing. He's played those sort of games down the years and not really performed

He was always in and out of the team though. The mistake was going to the Gerrard-Lampard combo when it never really worked in a 4-4-2 and especially going for Parker or Barry- who were no where near as good. Carrick is made for international football.

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When we were 2-1 down against Italy in the WC what did Sterling do then? Nothing.

I like Sterling but Townsend is unique and can be a very good weapon.

Bit of a poor example. In that first half and most of the game, Sterling was one of the very few positives to take from the game.

If it came down to starting either Sterling or Townsend, I know who I'd pick.

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When we were 2-1 down against Italy in the WC what did Sterling do then? Nothing.

I like Sterling but Townsend is unique and can be a very good weapon.

Please think before you post something like that again… I hope you didn't think for your own sake Baptista!! Even as a Spurs fan I'll say the only thing Townsend probably has over Sterling is a great shot when he connects well, as we've established it isn't a great ratio though. I like the guy, but Sterling is miles ahead.

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What the hell was that by Phil Jagielka. How many times did he nearly gift an Italian striker a goal?

To be fair to Clyne, tonight is about the best time to have a bad game. Not a competetive international so no one will be too concerned, he's just going to have to have a really good end to the season to get his place back if Hodgson is thinking Kyle Walker is the better right-back at the moment.

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What the hell was that by Phil Jagielka. How many times did he nearly gift an Italian striker a goal?

To be fair to Clyne, tonight is about the best time to have a bad game. Not a competetive international so no one will be too concerned, he's just going to have to have a really good end to the season to get his place back if Hodgson is thinking Kyle Walker is the better right-back at the moment.

Jagielka was head and shoulders above the rest of our defence tonight.

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Thought that game only really benefitted two people in the England team, who were Kane and Townsend. Nobody else either played well enough to have benefit or got good experience at a higher level so as to put them on a better footing for the next game. Maybe Clyne, but since I thought he had a pretty bad match wouldn't say he really came out of the game any better than he went in, probably more nervous for next time if anything.

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Only watched the last 30 but plain as day Delph is not cut out for top level football. He's a decent option against the poor international teams at best. Same with Ryan Mason, not really sure what his qualities are other than PUTTING A SHIFT IN. I'm not a fan of Townsend either, but you can't argue with his form for England and I can certainly see the benefits for his inclusion in the squad, agree with others that he should never be starting though.

Decent draw away at Italy though, and from what I saw we were controlling the game nicely - a whole world away from them completely dominating us last summer.

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Townsend scored? Whats that then, 2 goals in 422 shots now?

**** me, if someone as one dimensionally **** as Townsend is being lauded, we have no hope.

I think hes a useful weapon to have on the bench and he did very well ( in his all round play, not just his goal ) tonight. Hes not someone we want to rely on as a Starter, but hes not as useless as people like to make out

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Thought that game only really benefitted two people in the England team, who were Kane and Townsend. Nobody else either played well enough to have benefit or got good experience at a higher level so as to put them on a better footing for the next game. Maybe Clyne, but since I thought he had a pretty bad match wouldn't say he really came out of the game any better than he went in, probably more nervous for next time if anything.

I think thats a strange thing to say, players dont only benefit from playing in games when they play well in those games, doesnt the saying go that you learn more from your mistakes?

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Jagielka was head and shoulders above the rest of our defence tonight.

Might be getting him mixed up with Jones. One of them was being an idiot on the ball :D

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Thought that game only really benefitted two people in the England team, who were Kane and Townsend. Nobody else either played well enough to have benefit or got good experience at a higher level so as to put them on a better footing for the next game. Maybe Clyne, but since I thought he had a pretty bad match wouldn't say he really came out of the game any better than he went in, probably more nervous for next time if anything.

Ross Barkley was outstanding.

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Ross Barkley was outstanding.
Yeah, good point. He was immense, and I forgot about him. :o

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I think thats a strange thing to say, players dont only benefit from playing in games when they play well in those games, doesnt the saying go that you learn more from your mistakes?
I'm not a big believer in that assertion. If it was defenders who are going to be learning how to play together then I could get on board with that, but I don't think there was any of the players learned about playing with each other, other than the guys I mentioned (and Barkley).

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That's not a great record at all

We lose Lampard, Gerrard and where's the goals from midfield? Henderson? Delph?

Townsend :brock:

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Townsend is merely Darius Vassell's regen. Surprised he's still in the picture, was expecting him to be be plying his trade in the championship by now. I'll give him a couple of more years

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If he's Darius Vassell's regen he'll move to Turkey in a few years and get mobbed by supporters at the airport :brock:

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Struggling to believe Townsend scored that. I know he's capable of smacking it but he never does anything for Spurs, somehow manages to for England though and I have no idea why it's any different. Barkley a little frustrating, manages to take a man completely out of it but struggles to capitalise (although Chiellini and whoever else was covering did a good job when the commentators were making out that a ball to Rooney was the easiest thing in the world).

Thought Delph was worse than his previous matches too, which is a shame.

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If he's Darius Vassell's regen he'll move to Turkey in a few years and get mobbed by supporters at the airport :brock:

Haha forgot about that :D

Seriously, I'm better than Townsend. He's a bit quicker than me, mind.

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Carrick was excellent when he came on and set a great tempo for us. Having someone in midfield who could play forward passes and through balls was exactly what we needed. Was sick and tired of all the crab like passing first half.

Pretty positive season for us so far, really liking the depth of talent coming through as well.

The annoying thing about Carrick is that not only have England realised far too late on how good he is, especially in setting the tempo for the team (as opposed to being an individual star), but because we under-appreciate players like that by and large, we actually dont have any kind of replacement coming though. Closest imo (and he is still incredibly young and developing) is Will Hughes.

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