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Clyne MoM by far. Have said it for a while now he should be clear first choice, Johnson never has and never will be good enough and Chambers is certainly not good enough as things stand although could be in the future with a fair bit of improvement.

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I think with Berahino may have just been called up, spend some time with the full squad, train and have a look rather than 'get him in'. I did think may as well play him but he will still be involved with U21s so maybe this is just a reward. I was thinking yesterday with no more internationals until new year maybe he won't play and then come Feb/Mar he's not in the squad. Stick with the main front players and maybe give him another call in the new year *shrug*

Seems a bit of a waste but at least he joined up with the main squad and was part of it

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Scotland were awful. I was left wondering how on earth they ran Germany so close and got these results against Ireland and Poland

We were in total control. Our usual gift of a goal, I was wondering if we'd do that and then give ourselves a tense last 10 but we bounced straight back, as we should, far better team. To think we were thinking they might turn us over, looking at them man to man it's just not impressive. If they finish in the top 3 in their group it will be a great achievement tbh

That Anya (?) got past Clyne early on but after that was no threat. He barely has control of the ball when it's at his feet. I am still not convinced by Wilshere in a deeper role against better teams than us though. Rooney did well, he'll have that record before the Quals are over, Welbeck good. Forster barely troubled

We were up for it and into the game and it's all we could have asked really. If we went about it the right way then we should have won and it was more than well deserved and Scotland very, very disappointed, I expected a lot more after recent results

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That goal we gifted them was shocking as well. Lazy defending from Sterling (?), someone went past and he made no effort, just a 'off you go then' as the guy strolled by, I think his body shape was all out of line as well. Lazy as feck

Sterling's decisions at times are really confusing. Even when it comes to picking a simple pass etc.

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Sterling's decisions at times are really confusing. Even when it comes to picking a simple pass etc.

I think some of his work lately has been a bit haphazard. He's young, maybe he needs to be out of the firing line for a few weeks or so, bit of rest. It was just very poor imo and should get a bollocking even if it's only a friendly

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I'm going to assume this is a weak attempt to wind me up rather than an actual opinion based on any sort of evidence, unless you go back to the 1970s.

Didn't you boo England's national anthem? I didn't see the start but I heard that they did and whilst the IRA songs obviously have no place in football, you're not quite the saints that the Scots fans proclaim to be.

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Have you actually watched any of the games? It's awful the football Woy has got us churning out. We'll end up going to a major tournament and flopping harder then usual under diff managers with everyone going "how?!?!", because of the false advertising of the qualifying campaign. Just like last one when we kept drawing, then went WC and looked totally lost.

Hearing Smalling may start tonight... just lost for words.

Look around Europe. Do you see anyone doing better? Scotland ran Germany close and they were brushed aside.

Who looks like world beaters so far in European qualifying?

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Didn't you boo England's national anthem? I didn't see the start but I heard that they did and whilst the IRA songs obviously have no place in football, you're not quite the saints that the Scots fans proclaim to be.
You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.

Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world.

I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably.

P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery?

Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood.

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You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.

Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world.

I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably.

P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery?

Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood.

You're not saying that but then you did exactly that in your first post...

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You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.

Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world.

I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably.

P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery?

Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood.

No I didn't make a mistake. The way you said the guy had no evidence suggested the Scots did nothing wrong so I pointed out something that was clearly seen by everyone. As I wasn't at the game I went with something obvious which cannot be disputed.

As for the other comments, I didn't see any England fans on the pitch. But I did see a picture of a guy in a kilt with a Scotland top on being escorted off the pitch by the police. There were plenty of Scots fans on the tv trying to goad the England end doing the typical ****** gestures amongst others. There was something thrown at Rooney which landed on the pitch when he scored his second goal. Those were just the things I noticed on tv.

I didn't hear any songs about slavery. I don't doubt that all the things you said happened. I'm not trying to defend the idiots as there a lot of dicks in England's support. But I get tired of hearing people moan about England's support as though their own fans don't do anything wrong. And that's what your first post sounded like. Obviously your second post explained why your original comment was made.

One additional comment. The reason you booed the anthem was because it was English / British. They could have acted like perfect gentleman last night and I'm pretty sure you'd still have done.

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I heard that godawful song in Estonia in an Irish pub when I was there for the England game. Was full to the brim of toothless ageing English thugs singing that and similarly offensive songs. I felt very embarrassed to be there.

It's a shame because Tallinn was a lovely city, would love to go again (when England away fans are back at home).

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You're not saying that but then you did exactly that in your first post...
I certainly didn't mean to suggest it applies to all England fans, though I see my statement could be interpreted as such.Tony, the mistake you made was call GSTQ English, and that's a huge part of the problem - it's ownership has been assumed by England, to the detriment if the other nations to whom it applies. Anyway, we booed a bit, so what? As I say, I wasn't bothered about the IRA song other than the purposefully antagonistic nature of it.I don't really recall saying Scots fans are angels either, though I concede I made an observation that there was no trouble for the two games we were in London for. I know very well we have some issues to iron out (though thankfully they don't generally escalate from club level to national level) but the few problems we have don't suppress my rights to make an observation about the behaviour of others.
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I'll add that one reason I'm really disappointed is that I love playing against you guys (despite the high incidence of defeat ;)) and don't want the hooligan element that stains England's support to jeopardise the possibility of future matches. The Ireland game was phenomenal, and their fans behaved in an exemplary manner despite being under the influence of almost inhuman amounts of alcohol, and all the poor choices that can bring.

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I certainly didn't mean to suggest it applies to all England fans, though I see my statement could be interpreted as such.Tony, the mistake you made was call GSTQ English, and that's a huge part of the problem - it's ownership has been assumed by England, to the detriment if the other nations to whom it applies. Anyway, we booed a bit, so what? As I say, I wasn't bothered about the IRA song other than the purposefully antagonistic nature of it.I don't really recall saying Scots fans are angels either, though I concede I made an observation that there was no trouble for the two games we were in London for. I know very well we have some issues to iron out (though thankfully they don't generally escalate from club level to national level) but the few problems we have don't suppress my rights to make an observation about the behaviour of others.

Always find it funny to see England fans get upset when this happens when you think back to how many times opposition anthems have been booed at Wembley.

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Always find it funny to see England fans get upset when this happens when you think back to how many times opposition anthems have been booed at Wembley.
Bizarrely, I'll defend England fans' right to an element of hypocrisy here, as I strongly believe that anybody is entitled to call out grotty behaviour, even if a group of people they are associated with have committed the same offence. It's the same argument as I was having a few weeks back (tcoleman?) about slagging off Costa even though I support Liverpool.

But I do think that, disrespectful though it may be, it's not really causing a whole lot of trouble.

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Cahill maybe isn't vocal enough, but the way he's matured at Chelsea is nothing short of amazing, and he's definitely your first pick in defence. Jagielka's the obvious partner for him (well, apart from the REALLY obvious choice) and they work really well together.

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Hogdson seemed to be ok with Phil Jones in with Cahill but Jones got injured so Jags is back

I do hope another centre back, young, appears at some point at a top side, Jags isn't getting any younger

Agree about Downing. Fluffed his lines, never been a fan and just made no impact and expect him to miss out in the future and no one care. There are good quality players that may have poor form and still make the squad but Downing will only ever get in when in top, top form. He's in top form now and still was well under the radar. I am all for trying these things though

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The trouble with the centre back position is that everyone seems to be a right sided centre back.

Cahill is good, but is still capable of brain farts, normally when he tries to play too much football and loses it in our own half, such as on Saturday when Jagielka was forced to take a booking when an underhit pass was intercepted.

Jagielka had a rough start to the season, but is back on form now. Him and Cahill are so much better than the next best that I can easily see him going through to the Euros. He still has his pace, so age hasn't diminished him yet.

Jones and Smalling are still all potential, and have been for a long time. Stones and Chambers will probably be ready after the Euros, but currently I wouldn't trust them not to make a basic error. Last season Stones could look fantastic all game and then inexplicably give the ball away and invite pressure, something you'd get punished for far more at international level.

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You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.

Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world.

I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably.

P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery?

Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood.

Are we just going to ignore the Rangers fans in Manchester?

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