av3ry Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 That was a great game after a failry slow start England's third goal was brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Can someone let me know what was the point of calling Berahino up?! Lambert was brought on over him ffs. So pointless. I'd be so annoyed if I was him. Also how awful are Scotland? Basically like playing Estonia. Offered zero threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Thought Andrew Robertson was a bit of a threat at left-back, no surprises he was the goalscorer then. The rest werent much good though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 You guys were head and shoulders above us tonight, utterly dominated the game from start to finish. Your fans are still utter ***** of the lowest order imaginable though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Clyne MoM by far. Have said it for a while now he should be clear first choice, Johnson never has and never will be good enough and Chambers is certainly not good enough as things stand although could be in the future with a fair bit of improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 yeah bringing up Berahino did seem pretty pointless really, bit harsh to not even give him the 5 minutes against Scotland over Lambert who has done nothing this season at Liverpool with Saido banging them in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I think with Berahino may have just been called up, spend some time with the full squad, train and have a look rather than 'get him in'. I did think may as well play him but he will still be involved with U21s so maybe this is just a reward. I was thinking yesterday with no more internationals until new year maybe he won't play and then come Feb/Mar he's not in the squad. Stick with the main front players and maybe give him another call in the new year *shrug* Seems a bit of a waste but at least he joined up with the main squad and was part of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Scotland were awful. I was left wondering how on earth they ran Germany so close and got these results against Ireland and Poland We were in total control. Our usual gift of a goal, I was wondering if we'd do that and then give ourselves a tense last 10 but we bounced straight back, as we should, far better team. To think we were thinking they might turn us over, looking at them man to man it's just not impressive. If they finish in the top 3 in their group it will be a great achievement tbh That Anya (?) got past Clyne early on but after that was no threat. He barely has control of the ball when it's at his feet. I am still not convinced by Wilshere in a deeper role against better teams than us though. Rooney did well, he'll have that record before the Quals are over, Welbeck good. Forster barely troubled We were up for it and into the game and it's all we could have asked really. If we went about it the right way then we should have won and it was more than well deserved and Scotland very, very disappointed, I expected a lot more after recent results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I did wonder if some of the Scots players were knackered. The Ireland game was at such a frenetic pace and Strachan only made the one change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 That goal we gifted them was shocking as well. Lazy defending from Sterling (?), someone went past and he made no effort, just a 'off you go then' as the guy strolled by, I think his body shape was all out of line as well. Lazy as feck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 easy win as expected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 That goal we gifted them was shocking as well. Lazy defending from Sterling (?), someone went past and he made no effort, just a 'off you go then' as the guy strolled by, I think his body shape was all out of line as well. Lazy as feck Sterling's decisions at times are really confusing. Even when it comes to picking a simple pass etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeh, that was shocking stuff from Sterling, pretty poor from Forster as well. You shouldn't be getting beaten at your near post like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 . Your fans are still utter ***** of the lowest order imaginable though. Several thousand of them are, probably proportionate through most international teams followers tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Sterling's decisions at times are really confusing. Even when it comes to picking a simple pass etc. I think some of his work lately has been a bit haphazard. He's young, maybe he needs to be out of the firing line for a few weeks or so, bit of rest. It was just very poor imo and should get a bollocking even if it's only a friendly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Arrow Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Your fans are still utter ***** of the lowest order imaginable though. Hi Pot, it is me Kettle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Wow. Great result. Wasn't expecting that. Now annoyed I missed it. Best player? My mate said Rooney followed by Wilshere and Clyne? Some great goals there too. Wilshere's pass was superb, 3rd goal was wonderful stuff. Wtf is going on, Welbz 2nd against Slovenia was great too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 France Germany Friendlies after our qualifying campaign and potential ones as well with Holland and Spain too. Can't wait for them. Looking forward to those games then the other 6 pointless qualifying games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah qualifiers are pointless...let's lose them all and not qualify for Euro 2016. Focus on the friendlies against the glamorous names... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 10/10 for a standard **** Baptista reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 If there is one thing I've learnt in life, it's to never look forward to an England game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hi Pot, it is me Kettle.I'm going to assume this is a weak attempt to wind me up rather than an actual opinion based on any sort of evidence, unless you go back to the 1970s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'm going to assume this is a weak attempt to wind me up rather than an actual opinion based on any sort of evidence, unless you go back to the 1970s. Didn't you boo England's national anthem? I didn't see the start but I heard that they did and whilst the IRA songs obviously have no place in football, you're not quite the saints that the Scots fans proclaim to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I found the most offensive part of the night being the bit where we were forced to listen to bagpipes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Have you actually watched any of the games? It's awful the football Woy has got us churning out. We'll end up going to a major tournament and flopping harder then usual under diff managers with everyone going "how?!?!", because of the false advertising of the qualifying campaign. Just like last one when we kept drawing, then went WC and looked totally lost.Hearing Smalling may start tonight... just lost for words. Look around Europe. Do you see anyone doing better? Scotland ran Germany close and they were brushed aside. Who looks like world beaters so far in European qualifying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Just ignore Pearcey. Pardew has sapped any enjoyment he could get out of football. He's going through the equivalent of the moody, negative teen period of being a football fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Look around Europe. Do you see anyone doing better? Scotland ran Germany close and they were brushed aside.Who looks like world beaters so far in European qualifying? Israel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Not sure which England Pearcey has been watching. We look genuinely quite good and coherent at the moment which is more than I can say for pretty much the rest of the time I have watched England regularly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Didn't you boo England's national anthem? I didn't see the start but I heard that they did and whilst the IRA songs obviously have no place in football, you're not quite the saints that the Scots fans proclaim to be.You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world. I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably. P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery? Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Literally never heard that "F-ck the IRA" song before in 13-14 years following England. Bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world. I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably. P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery? Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood. You're not saying that but then you did exactly that in your first post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world. I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably. P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery? Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood. No I didn't make a mistake. The way you said the guy had no evidence suggested the Scots did nothing wrong so I pointed out something that was clearly seen by everyone. As I wasn't at the game I went with something obvious which cannot be disputed. As for the other comments, I didn't see any England fans on the pitch. But I did see a picture of a guy in a kilt with a Scotland top on being escorted off the pitch by the police. There were plenty of Scots fans on the tv trying to goad the England end doing the typical ****** gestures amongst others. There was something thrown at Rooney which landed on the pitch when he scored his second goal. Those were just the things I noticed on tv. I didn't hear any songs about slavery. I don't doubt that all the things you said happened. I'm not trying to defend the idiots as there a lot of dicks in England's support. But I get tired of hearing people moan about England's support as though their own fans don't do anything wrong. And that's what your first post sounded like. Obviously your second post explained why your original comment was made. One additional comment. The reason you booed the anthem was because it was English / British. They could have acted like perfect gentleman last night and I'm pretty sure you'd still have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullem Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I heard that godawful song in Estonia in an Irish pub when I was there for the England game. Was full to the brim of toothless ageing English thugs singing that and similarly offensive songs. I felt very embarrassed to be there. It's a shame because Tallinn was a lovely city, would love to go again (when England away fans are back at home). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 You're not saying that but then you did exactly that in your first post...I certainly didn't mean to suggest it applies to all England fans, though I see my statement could be interpreted as such.Tony, the mistake you made was call GSTQ English, and that's a huge part of the problem - it's ownership has been assumed by England, to the detriment if the other nations to whom it applies. Anyway, we booed a bit, so what? As I say, I wasn't bothered about the IRA song other than the purposefully antagonistic nature of it.I don't really recall saying Scots fans are angels either, though I concede I made an observation that there was no trouble for the two games we were in London for. I know very well we have some issues to iron out (though thankfully they don't generally escalate from club level to national level) but the few problems we have don't suppress my rights to make an observation about the behaviour of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'll add that one reason I'm really disappointed is that I love playing against you guys (despite the high incidence of defeat ) and don't want the hooligan element that stains England's support to jeopardise the possibility of future matches. The Ireland game was phenomenal, and their fans behaved in an exemplary manner despite being under the influence of almost inhuman amounts of alcohol, and all the poor choices that can bring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah qualifiers are pointless...let's lose them all and not qualify for Euro 2016. Focus on the friendlies against the glamorous names... What are you on about? He never said that we should lose them all you moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I certainly didn't mean to suggest it applies to all England fans, though I see my statement could be interpreted as such.Tony, the mistake you made was call GSTQ English, and that's a huge part of the problem - it's ownership has been assumed by England, to the detriment if the other nations to whom it applies. Anyway, we booed a bit, so what? As I say, I wasn't bothered about the IRA song other than the purposefully antagonistic nature of it.I don't really recall saying Scots fans are angels either, though I concede I made an observation that there was no trouble for the two games we were in London for. I know very well we have some issues to iron out (though thankfully they don't generally escalate from club level to national level) but the few problems we have don't suppress my rights to make an observation about the behaviour of others. Always find it funny to see England fans get upset when this happens when you think back to how many times opposition anthems have been booed at Wembley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Always find it funny to see England fans get upset when this happens when you think back to how many times opposition anthems have been booed at Wembley.Bizarrely, I'll defend England fans' right to an element of hypocrisy here, as I strongly believe that anybody is entitled to call out grotty behaviour, even if a group of people they are associated with have committed the same offence. It's the same argument as I was having a few weeks back (tcoleman?) about slagging off Costa even though I support Liverpool.But I do think that, disrespectful though it may be, it's not really causing a whole lot of trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Caught the game on replay of SS5 today. Really good game by Wilshere. Downing not really cut out for this level and I'm not that impressed by Shaw. Much prefered Gibbs. Really like Cahill. Turning into a real leader in this team. Just wish we'd settle on a regular partner for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Cahill maybe isn't vocal enough, but the way he's matured at Chelsea is nothing short of amazing, and he's definitely your first pick in defence. Jagielka's the obvious partner for him (well, apart from the REALLY obvious choice) and they work really well together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Since the WC Jags has been rested a bit, he's had injuries of course but Jones played and did well against Switzerland. Smalling gets the odd game. Cahill is a mainstay but any chance Woy gets Jags is dropped out for one of the younger guys. I reckon he's looking into future options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It's a balance between establishing the partnership, or trying out other options while you're playing *elevates Scotland's status* second-rate teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Hogdson seemed to be ok with Phil Jones in with Cahill but Jones got injured so Jags is back I do hope another centre back, young, appears at some point at a top side, Jags isn't getting any younger Agree about Downing. Fluffed his lines, never been a fan and just made no impact and expect him to miss out in the future and no one care. There are good quality players that may have poor form and still make the squad but Downing will only ever get in when in top, top form. He's in top form now and still was well under the radar. I am all for trying these things though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 The trouble with the centre back position is that everyone seems to be a right sided centre back. Cahill is good, but is still capable of brain farts, normally when he tries to play too much football and loses it in our own half, such as on Saturday when Jagielka was forced to take a booking when an underhit pass was intercepted. Jagielka had a rough start to the season, but is back on form now. Him and Cahill are so much better than the next best that I can easily see him going through to the Euros. He still has his pace, so age hasn't diminished him yet. Jones and Smalling are still all potential, and have been for a long time. Stones and Chambers will probably be ready after the Euros, but currently I wouldn't trust them not to make a basic error. Last season Stones could look fantastic all game and then inexplicably give the ball away and invite pressure, something you'd get punished for far more at international level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Downing not really cut out for this level He's been on fire all this season as an AMC, Hodgson calls him up and plays him in a position he's never played before! He's never ever a central midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Smalling is horrific, I'd like to see what potential he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You've made rather a key mistake in your statement which is a pretty big indication of precisely why we booed it. I'm not too bothered by the anti-IRA chants other than the fact that they have no place in a football stadium, and certainly not in a part of the world where support for the IRA has been stronger than most over the years so it was certainly sung with antagonistic intent, regardless of however many times it has been sung elsewhere. What annoys me most is the hordes of fans stomping up the Gallowgate looking to pick a fight with anybody willing to step to them, vandalising on the way (and tolerated by the police) and hurling abuse at any Scottish fans who happened to cross their path. Then having English fans in the home end, celebrating the goals and goading the Scots around them, and in the three fights I saw very much being the aggressors and, indeed, throwing the first punches. And of course I should mention the fans who ran in the pitch and the subsequent fighting with the security.Yet in recent years we've had two games in London and there hasn't been a sniff of trouble at either, and we enjoy a wonderful reputation across the world. I'm not saying that all England fans are like that at all (exemplified by the jovial behaviour at Wembley last year) but certainly the folk who came up the road were behaving despicably. P.s. Did I mention the songs about slavery? Edit: I should add that I have a sense of humour bypass on this subject (myself having been subject to intimidating shouts while walking on my own to meet my mates) so will not be in a particularly tolerant and forgiving mood. Are we just going to ignore the Rangers fans in Manchester? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Yes, we are, since I'm talking about the Scotland team. I did also acknowledge that the issues at club level have, thankfully, not made their way to national team level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Jones and Cahil would be the logical choice for me, but giving Jones injury track record can we build that partnership? Terry and Cahil would be but that won't ever happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Just because Scotland fans were out of order, doesn't in anyway excuse the England fans. There's just no place for those sort of songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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