Gizzy Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I dont think anyone, bar the mentalists on RAWK, are hesitant to condone him at all, but the calls for kicking him out of football full stop are over the top imo. Why? can you or anyone else say this won't happen again? Should any player facing him have to be worried about being bitten? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Utterly disgusting this coming from a Liverpool fan i am shocked he has done this now 3 times its insane and on the biggest stage of all. My view throw the book at him and Uruguay out the World Cup. Yes he is a World Class player but he is tarnishing his country, the game and his club. Personally i think John W Henry might get involved when the dust settles and tell Brendan Rodgers that Liverpool can sell him and recoup the money in another World Class striker..if anybody will have him after this. Its getting weirder and weirder in this thread. Throw Uruguay out of the world cup? Wonder WHO needs phychatric help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What if he does it a fourth or a fifth time? Might sound ridiculous but then so is biting someone in the first place, let alone THREE TIMES Well dealing with what if's are never a great idea. What if he he has finally clicked that it can never happen again, should he still be banned for life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 trying to find similar incidents to see what FIFA normally do, but my google skills are lacking. Anyone remember any 'similar' violent conduct incidents during international games and what sort of punishment was dished out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Why? can you or anyone else say this won't happen again? Should any player facing him have to be worried about being bitten? Can anyone say for certain that it will happen again? Should any player ever have to worry about being physically assaulted full stop on the football pitch? Do players go out expecting a headbutt or a broken leg? BTW just so its clear, i fully agree he needs to be punished, and this cannot be swept under the carpet, but there are more realistic bans, like Ruben has mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted June 25, 2014 Administrators Share Posted June 25, 2014 Well dealing with what if's are never a great idea. What if he he has finally clicked that it can never happen again, should he still be banned for life? If it was a one-off you might be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt but he's lost all of that by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If it was a one-off you might be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt but he's lost all of that by now. So no one deserves a 3rd chance at all then. I see. You the judge man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Why? can you or anyone else say this won't happen again? Should any player facing him have to be worried about being bitten?It would be questionable to make that jump which would raise legal questions over proportionality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 trying to find similar incidents to see what FIFA normally do, but my google skills are lacking.Anyone remember any 'similar' violent conduct incidents during international games and what sort of punishment was dished out? Torsten Frings allegedly punched Julio Cruz in 2006. The Italian TV people sent the tapes. FIFA banned Frings from playing the semifinal (which Italy won ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Can anyone say for certain that it will happen again? Should any player ever have to worry about being physically assaulted full stop on the football pitch? Do players go out expecting a headbutt or a broken leg? BTW just so its clear, i fully agree he needs to be punished, and this cannot be swept under the carpet, but there are more realistic bans, like Ruben has mentioned. No a player shouldn't be worried about being assaulted, but a broken leg can and should be as it is a risk even if everyone is playing within the rules. Has anyone ever assaulted another player on 3 seperate occasions? and if so, what was the punishment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 So no one deserves a 3rd chance at all then. I see. You the judge man. Suarez just used up his third chance ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Suarez just used up his third chance ffs So man got only 3 chances in life? Nice to know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno-Blood Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 So no one deserves a 3rd chance at all then. I see. You the judge man. Apart from this would be a 4th chance... EDIT: Too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Just to be sure: Did Suarez kill someone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopra_hill Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Would love to see this thread if fifa decided not to ban him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 more like 6th chance if you include the racism and head butting a referee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 So man got only 3 chances in life? Nice to know With some things you won't even get a second chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 No a player shouldn't be worried about being assaulted, but a broken leg can and should be as it is a risk even if everyone is playing within the rules.Has anyone ever assaulted another player on 3 seperate occasions? and if so, what was the punishment? Joey Barton surely has had more than 3 'assault' incidents by now. He is still playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Joey Barton surely has had more than 3 'assault' incidents by now. He is still playing. ...and I cant recall anyone making a fuss about it here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What about it is over the top?Why do you feel it's unreasonable for people to want somebody that medical professionals are saying will almost definitely bite another player in the future to not be given that opportunity? Equally, you have more than one person saying hang him, burn him, mutilate him, muzzle him. Slightly over the top. I've no doubt in my mind the majority of the people calling for lifetime bans and death would be more reasonable if he played for their club . Hence false outrage. Point being he's going to get a lengthy ban, any more than that is disproportionate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilSaint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 There's a substantial difference between severe tackles, even headbutts & then biting someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Equally, you have more than one person saying hang him, burn him, mutilate him, muzzle him Brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 ...and I cant recall anyone making a fuss about it here. What incidents has he had since you registered less than a year ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
g00n Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 RAWK Meltdown I had heard tales of the people of RAWK, but have never dared to check it out. Maybe I should. That is absolutely brilliant stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno-Blood Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 So man got only 3 chances in life? Nice to know At life? Noone's saying take his life away ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 At life? Noone's saying take his life away ffs. I dunno Jonno, apparently people have been calling for him to be hung or drawn and quartered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What incidents has he had since you registered less than a year ago? Im reading here longer than you my son At life? Noone's saying take his life away ffs. Learn to read. I wrote "IN life" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Just to be sure: Did Suarez kill someone? Doesn't matter if he did, he's allowed second and third and fourth chances, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 At life? Noone's saying take his life away ffs. Someone above compared it to when a dog bites someone and gets put down. Thats where these false outrage comments are coming from. Yes he needs a ban and yes it should be a lengthy ban, but kicking a nation out of the world cup over something they had no control over, or kicking a player out of football for life is just ott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puevlo Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If he bit a referee he would be banned for life. Players deserve the same level of protection against psychopaths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Doesn't matter if he did, he's allowed second and third and fourth chances, right? Yes. And you never did something wrong 3 times before you did it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 No point banning him until he kills someone then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 No point banning him until he kills someone then. Yeah, keep misreading it on purpose No one said he shouldnt be banged. But the harshness in here is very questionable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno-Blood Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Someone above compared it to when a dog bites someone and gets put down. Thats where these false outrage comments are coming from. Yes he needs a ban and yes it should be a lengthy ban, but kicking a nation out of the world cup over something they had no control over, or kicking a player out of football for life is just ott. That comparison was also prefixed with "considering all the ridiculous analogies" he was clearly making another ridiculous one to go along with some of the stupid comments some are making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yes. And you never did something wrong 3 times before you did it right. How many others need 4 chances to not bite someone ffs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah, keep misreading it on purpose No one said he shouldnt be banged . But the harshness in here is very questionable. Kontermanns true feelings come out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Even if it's his third bite, are FIFA permitted to use that as evidence? The Bakkal incident wasn't cited in the FA's report when he bit Ivanović as far as I can see, for example. To the English FA, it was his first time. If they were to use his previous bites as evidence, they would need to call up the Dutch and English FAs. I'm not sure this has happened. And it could be a slippery slope where if FIFA wants to nail someone with a case, they can always ask for more incriminating evidence elsewhere. If FIFA can consider it as his third time, and are allowed to ban him from club competitions too, what is fair? Personally, I'm veering towards somewhere between 3-12 months, although I'm not sure where exactly is fair. 3 months is about 15 matches and I can't help but think that that's a bit lenient for a third offence, so maybe 6 months at a minimum. If they are allowed to enforce it, a mandatory psychological evaluation too. I think life bans are maybe a bit harsh although for a third offence, not as stupid as it sounds. In reality, I think he'll probably get 6-8 games in FIFA competitions and a giant fine. Liverpool will sanction him separately, probably dock his wages for a few weeks and make him go for a psychological evaluation if FIFA don't tell him to. People will cry foul, but FIFA won't listen. The FA will look into the case to see if they can enforce something further, but find nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah thats actually a good point, since the other incidents were outwith the FIFA world cup, i dont think they can really be used as additional evidence here. Otherwise FA's would have been contacting other FA's all the time to hammer players with extensive bans based on his previous history. Each one really has to be dealt with independently by the body running that tournament, so either the dutch FA, english FA or in this case FIFA. I would think the only thing FIFA could use is the red card from the last world cup, and tie it into something to do with being unsporting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleanor_Rigby Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I had heard tales of the people of RAWK, but have never dared to check it out. Maybe I should. That is absolutely brilliant stuff. Never been on the site myself, but going purely on every other club specific forum I have ever visited, I highly doubt the stuff posted on there is any different to elsewhere. Fan sites tend to have their fair share of idiots and blinkered users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Parker Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 He'll never be banned from all football, I think thats pretty much a given. Uruguay will not be punished for his stupidity, Suarez will probably get a 6-12 month international ban and some sort of fine. I'd love to see Fifa sanction Chiellini to be given 5 minutes in a locked room with Suarez so he could beat him 7 shades of purple... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 I'd love to see Fifa sanction Chiellini to be given 5 minutes in a locked room with Suarez so he could beat him 7 shades of purple... Or a Lion instead of Chiellini. So Suarez can feel what it's really like to get bitten. For science ofcourse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
g00n Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Fan sites tend to have their fair share of idiots and blinkered users. Oh I definitely agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeonflux Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If he was a dog he would have been taken away from Anfield by the RSPCA after the Ivanovic incident and shot, but he got a ban. I can't see it being anything other than a ban and i doubt it would be that long of a ban probably around the 10-12 matches mark. The question is will it be all matches or just International and knowing FIFA it wont come into effect until after the Final. You do have to wonder if he got Chiellini mixed up with Cannelloni? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Im reading here longer than you my sonLearn to read. I wrote "IN life" this part of the forum is private, as in not accessible to unregistered users. So you're a liar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Genuine question: why is biting seen as worse than a headbutt? I know I and most other people I imagine would rather be bitten slightly than headbutted! Why is it seen as worse? The reason is pretty simple, it's about the presumed consent of the victim. If you are playing football, you're presumed to consent to the risk of the most obvious things that could go wrong (a bad tackle, a clash of heads, a stray elbow etc.). These are common occurrences when you go on the pitch, so you know that there's a chance they could happen, yet you still choose to play football and have therefore given consent to the risks of these things. Nobody going on a football pitch is presumed to consent to being bitten. It is so far out of the things that you think have a reasonable chance of happening, that nobody will be expecting you to consent to it by playing a match. It's the same reason you can both be prosecuted or sued for intentionally injuring someone with a bad tackle, because nobody is presumed to consent to being intentionally having their leg broken. So, headbutts and bad tackles (as long as they're not with the clear intent to injure) are a risk you consent to by playing the sport. Being bitten is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 this part of the forum is private, as in not accessible to unregistered users. So you're a liar I´ve been here before reading on a friends account so dont call me liar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilSaint Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Being bitten by a person is actually more dangerous with regard to infections & transmitted diseases than a dog bite would be, or at least so I've read today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno-Blood Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I´ve been here before reading on a friends account so dont call me liar You've been reading here on a friend's account for over 10 years before registering yourself? Ok then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 this part of the forum is private, as in not accessible to unregistered users. So you're a liar Or an alias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I´ve been here before reading on a friends account so dont call me liar Hahahahaha...... Hahahahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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