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well good then.still curious,how come ronaldo could play ML ? tought he only could do AML when on left side..

btw the ac milan,had you already post it? cant find it.

Hi Adsuperjenius,

Please note that he's only a natural AML, he cannot play ML Naturally, he could do a job there, but his main job is as an AML, if you played him at ML he could learn to do better in that position but he would never become natural at it, unless you trained him up from a very early age. its the same side just a bit more towards the half way line. Also this is Ronaldo, I doubt there is much that he cannot do. :lol:

Also, bear in mind that Manchester United are a solid media prediction 1st, although I don't think Arsenal are too far away from them, so I am sure that Manchester United are looking very good indeed!

A.C. Milan is featured on here. There are 7 pages! I'll give you a clue, they are on page 4, about half way down the page. :thup:

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well, Thats right. I have big interest of that book. so sad that the book didnt appear at local book store here. As I cant buy things online. Hoping that book would come here soon.

about that garincha's quote. it says ball control, so meaning first touch and dribbling is good,like u say, then,how to convert it to number? 15 is good, but there are 15-20 .how did you decide that?

another, lets try carlos santillana

he was known for his stellar heading ability despite not reaching 1.80m, and is widely regarded as one of the best strikers in the history of Spanish football

this would mean,good heading and jumping. but how good is him? 17?20?

then how about things that almost never found on player. lets say maradona marking ability. how bad is that,how do you know ,in number?

I hope in the future, I could help about this database legend.

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If you want to expand your football theory knowledge, Ad, I would recommend reading "Inverting the Pyramid" by Jonathan Wilson. It looks at the history of football tactics and will take you through all of the innovations and nuances so you can see how a wing half became a defensive midfielder, or how inside forwards dropped deeper in search of space. I learned so much from that book!

To go back to something you said earlier, to gain some information about footballers from the past to translate into FM14, your best bet is to read primary material and see what people were saying about players at the time. For example, let's look at a description of Garrincha...

Garrincha is renowned for his remarkable ball control, imagination, dribbling skills and ability to create something from nothing. He also possessed a ferocious shot with either foot and was a gifted dead ball specialist known for free kicks and corners taken with the outside of his foot. However, it was his astonishing dribbling skills he was most famous for, a skill he retained throughout his career.

Adored by the Brazilian public due to his innocence, carefree attitude and ability to entertain in making fools of opposing players, Garrincha was referred to as; "Joy of the People".[/url] , his Brazil teammate, stated; "He had a childish spirit. Garrincha was football's answer to ."

What does this mean in FM?

Ball control = first touch, dribbling, 'runs with ball often' PPM

imagination = flair, creativity, perhaps 'tried killer balls often' PPM

ferocious shot = 'shoots with power' PPM, maybe a high number for long range shots

dead ball specialist = good stats for corners, free kicks

innocence/care free attitude = light-hearted personality (sportsmanship/pressure =>14, determination/temperament = 9)

And that's just 1 quote! Once you've read a few, you can get a good idea of how to 'build' a player in FM and from there, it's just a case of testing and seeing if they play like you would expect them to.

This is excellent advice. :thup:

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about that garincha's quote. it says ball control, so meaning first touch and dribbling is good,like u say, then,how to convert it to number? 15 is good, but there are 15-20 .how did you decide that?

Personally, I would look at someone who is renowned in today's game for being good at that skill. Who is the best dribbler in football now? Probably Messi, and he has 20 for both. I'd probably give Garrincha 20 for both as well, but really it's down to personal opinion and how you think the player performs when you test him out. Basically it's just trial and error!

lets try carlos santillana. he was known for his stellar heading ability despite not reaching 1.80m, and is widely regarded as one of the best strikers in the history of Spanish football. this would mean,good heading and jumping. but how good is him? 17?20?

Again, I think you should match him up to someone you think is similar to him in today's game and just try things out.

lets say maradona marking ability. how bad is that,how do you know ,in number?

I hope in the future, I could help about this database legend.

If you leave the attribute as '0' in the editor, then the game will assign a random value. On top of that, look at Messi's marking ability (4), or Ronaldo's (3) and you'll see that it's never generally a high number for an attacking position, so leave it low unless you read somewhere that he was good at marking.

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Im kind of manager who loved dirty and hard games.. cant wait to get those database :)

btw who famous player,in modern game,that short but good in the air?cannot find santillana's comparison :(

and,if we put 0 i editor, it would randomnumber, but random,could it random and become 20?

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Update:

In Line with the imminent release of Ajax Golden Generation, the following changes have been made to A.C. Milan.

(Screenshots will be updated very soon)

AC Milan

IN

Filipo Inzaghi

Angelo Anquiletti

Clarence Seedorf

OUT

Frank Rijkaard to Ajax

Marco Van bastern to Ajax

Zvonimir Boban to GNK Dinamo

where is the screenshoot?

really curious,they do have many great Central defence,who would come on this editor

Nesta,baresi,costacurta,panucci. since maldini are good left back, did we forced to use 5 back ? lol :D

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where is the screenshoot?

really curious, they do have many great Central defence,who would come on this editor

Nesta,baresi,costacurta,panucci. since maldini are good left back, did we forced to use 5 back ? lol :D

You are not looking at the right screenshot. The one you need is half way down page 4. :thup: It is Post number: 353

Every released squad has a complete balance of playing positions.

A.C. Milan have 2 left backs, 2 right backs and only 4 central defenders in their 25 man squad. They are media prediction 1st as well.

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Hi French can i suggest replacing Juan Pablo Angel at Villa with this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hampton_(footballer_born_1885) as he is English it would help should Villa qualify for european comps.

I will have a closer look at this player, believe it not, back then the shoulder barge used to be lawful way of scoring, and he would score goals by shoulder barging the ball, the goalkeeper and often took one of his co-defenders with him as well, so the ball, the goalkeeper and the defender would all end up in the back in the net and they would award the goal, if he did this today, he would be sent off! lol

Hampton's style did not go down very well with the England selectors who preferred forwards such as Steve Bloomer, Vivian Woodward, Joe Bache, Edwin Latheron, George Holley, Alf Common, George Hilsdon, Harold Halse and George Wall.

He was a big brute of a fellow, very strong and forceful lad!

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Gunnar Nordahl was a Swedish football player, best known for his spell at A.C. Milan from 1949 to 1956, in which he won two Scudetto titles and an unprecedented five top scorer (Capocannonieri) awards, more than any other player in the history of the Serie A. He is generally considered one of the greatest Swedish football players of all-time.

Playing eight seasons with AC Milan, he is Serie A's multi-top-scorer a record five times (1949–50, 1950–51, 1952–53, 1953–54 and 1954–55). Nordahl is also AC Milan's all-time top-scorer, with 210 league goals. He is still the third-highest Serie A goalscorer of all time, with 225 goals in 291 matches. Only Silvio Piola and Francesco Totti have scored more goals in that division. That makes Nordahl the top goalscorer among non-Italian players, and he is also the most efficient goalscorer goals in Serie A ever with 0.77 goals/match.

In all he scored 442 times in 504 matches.

“He hit the ball with such power, could even score goals with his [weaker] left foot. He scored tap-ins and spectacular goals. He was one of the best players there has ever been, and in my opinion one of the best goalscorers of all time." Gunnar Gren

Welcome Back Gunnar Nordahl!

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Hi French can i suggest replacing Juan Pablo Angel at Villa with this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hampton_(footballer_born_1885) as he is English it would help should Villa qualify for european comps.

I could bring back this Aston Villa Legend instead of Angel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_%27Pongo%27_Waring

His 226 appearances for Villa yielded 167 goals, including 10 hat-tricks and a club record 49 league goals in the 1930–31 season, 50 goals in all competitions. He is considered an Aston Villa legend. :thup:

The only problem with Harry was the way he scored goals, I don't think there's any way I can replicate that without getting him sent off every game! :lol:

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Your right harry would get sent off every game these days …... Waring sounds like a good replacement for Angel

Great, I'll bring Tom back and put him in the Villa Squad and Angel will be 22 at River Plate. :thup:

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Will release happen this weekend or will it be delayed

I don't have a release date yet but as soon as I do, it will be announced here. This will be released as soon as possible. I appreciate your patience with this. It might happen this weekend or it might not happen till next week, but it will happen soon. :thup:

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Im kind of manager who loved dirty and hard games.. cant wait to get those database :)

btw who famous player,in modern game,that short but good in the air?cannot find santillana's comparison :(

and,if we put 0 i editor, it would randomnumber, but random,could it random and become 20?

Tim Cahill? I know he's old, but he's exactly that type.

When you give a player a score between 1 and 200 for his current ability (CA), the game will decide based on that number how to dish out his attributes. It will depend on his role, age, and probably some other factors we don't know about.

So if you left every attribute at 0, the game would automatically bring the player up to the standard you set with his CA. The only difference will be when you manually key in some specific data, like say, 18 for technique or 14 for finishing or whatever. I don't know a great deal about the weighting of attributes, but I know that most of it is consumed by physical attributes, so always bear that in mind.

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They are the second most successful club in world football in terms of international trophies along with Boca Juniors, with 18 officially recognised UEFA and FIFA titles. Milan has won a record of three Intercontinental Cups and one of its successor, the FIFA Club World Cup. Milan have also won the European Cup/Champions League on seven occasions, second only to Real Madrid. They have also won the UEFA Super Cup a record five times and the Cup Winners' Cup twice. Milan has won every major competition in which it has competed, with the exception of the Europa League (in this competition they have lost two semi-finals in 1972 and in 2002). Domestically, with 18 league titles Milan is the joint-second most successful club in Serie A behind Juventus (30 titles), along with local rivals Inter. They have also won the Coppa Italia five times, as well as a record six Supercoppa Italiana triumphs.

Today we feature the club that has provided so many great teams down the years, here is the very best of A.C. Milan!

Chairman: Silvio Berlusconi

Manager: Arrigo Sacchi

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well so shocking toldo was there. toldo only played 3 time for milan ,and its in his beggining career. I tought he would better at inter milan or fiorentina

also,no gatusso there.what made gatusso better than ambrossini? I remember ambrosini is gatusso's backup, when ac milan posses many playmaker (seedorf,kaka,pirlo)

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Tim Cahill? I know he's old, but he's exactly that type.

When you give a player a score between 1 and 200 for his current ability (CA), the game will decide based on that number how to dish out his attributes. It will depend on his role, age, and probably some other factors we don't know about.

So if you left every attribute at 0, the game would automatically bring the player up to the standard you set with his CA. The only difference will be when you manually key in some specific data, like say, 18 for technique or 14 for finishing or whatever. I don't know a great deal about the weighting of attributes, but I know that most of it is consumed by physical attributes, so always bear that in mind.

so 200 CA means all of players attribute, if summed,would be 200?

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well so shocking toldo was there. toldo only played 3 time for milan ,and its in his beggining career. I tought he would better at inter milan or fiorentina

also,no gatusso there.what made gatusso better than ambrossini? I remember ambrosini is gatusso's backup, when ac milan posses many playmaker (seedorf,kaka,pirlo)

Hello Adsuperjenius,

The squads are only finalised when the game is ready for release, they may be close to the final squads, but the reason for this is to give fans the opportunity to say this or that player should be in the squad and then we can discuss it.

You make some excellent points here and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention.

As I mentioned yesterday players are generally at the first top division club they played for, at the age they joined their clubs so that would be why initially Toldo is at Milan, however in this instance I can see why he would be better off at Fiorentina where he played many more games and A.C. Milan already have two good goalkeepers, so I am moving Toldo off to Fiorentina at 22 years old, so good news for Fiorentina!

The reason Gattuso was not in the Milan Squad was because I hadn't got round to him yet, however he was high on my agenda, I have now focused on the general and he will be at Milan in place of Toldo at 22 years old as well in line with my policy of bringing top top players coming into their prime. I can confirm that he would get in the team over ambrosini so there was never any question of one being better than the other. If you see that someone is in a squad where someone else should be, it doesn't mean that one is better than the other or vice verca, there may be many different reasons why, so talk to me and we can discuss it and come to a conclusion one way or the other!

In the meantime, A.C. Milan has now been updated and the screenshot of the team has been updated as well. Many thanks for raising these excellent points regarding Milan and I really appreciate your feedback. :thup:

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Thanks. so sorry if my comment was like harsh for ambrosini. I just tought he play more first team game in his prime.. so I hope that he would at ac milan.but considering he already at milan now, its ok if ambrossini still there.

Btw, I read your post earlier ,you say younger player who play at current club, like janusac and welbeck, that man utd didnt have space anymore, and this also happen at many club. so there are many "good" player as free agent.would they will sign to lower division club? Im affraid if they would like old man in our FM, become free agent ,because no top club offer them,and they didnt want to play at lower division.

btw,had you create panucci?where you put him?roma?

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Thanks. so sorry if my comment was like harsh for ambrosini. I just tought he play more first team game in his prime.. so I hope that he would at ac milan.but considering he already at milan now, its ok if ambrossini still there.

Btw, I read your post earlier ,you say younger player who play at current club, like janusac and welbeck, that man utd didnt have space anymore, and this also happen at many club. so there are many "good" player as free agent.would they will sign to lower division club? Im affraid if they would like old man in our FM, become free agent ,because no top club offer them,and they didnt want to play at lower division.

btw,had you create panucci?where you put him?roma?

Hello Adsuperjenius

Gattuso was always going to be at A.C. Milan once I got round to him but I am really pleased you highlighted the Toldo issue in particular.

There will be good free agents in the game and they would consider lower division clubs, however they may still get offers from higher division clubs as well, the players will always go to the best offer they can get, once a player leaves a club, they no longer earn anything at all, so they will take that into consideration as well, they are clever boys, this is a new world, the calibre of players is much better and the premiership is full of stars and legends, the players are young with potential, they will adjust to the new world and environment and make the decisions best for themselves and their careers.

I tried to sign welbeck as a test with a championship side and he would go, but there was interest from Man City who are in the premiership. There are no sugar daddies anymore... I didn't test with first division though. I am sure he would at least be alright for a championship team!

This is going to be like a whole new game, a whole new experience, the ultimate football show on earth! Expect the Unexpected! Nothing is impossible.

Panucci is 14 at Genoa in line with being at the first top division club he joined, he actually joined aged 12 but FM restricts the minimum age to 14.

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so,those old player, would still have physical games like old days? like high attribute of aggression,pace,bravery, and tendency to dive to tackle?

It depends on the player! The Leeds side of the 70's in particular the Chelsea Leeds, FA CUP FINAL 1970, every player could have got sent off in that game.

Aggression is whether the player goes in hard when competing for the ball, without necessarily being dirty.

Pace is whether the player has speed both in and out of possession.

Bravery is whether the player is likely to go in for a 50/50 or less odds challenge and risk injury going for the ball.

Dives into Tackles simply means if the player likes to attempt sliding tackles rather than tackling standing up.

However there is a hidden 'Dirtiness' Stat which will determine how dirty the player is, and the Leeds Players of the 70's, like Jack Charlton, Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles etc. were very dirty players indeed! And they are back, great players but the problem they have is that they are playing in todays world where referees send you off for playing in that way as you can see from the example above. They will need to learn to adjust and the manager will need to discipline these players to try to get them to curb their dirty ways! :lol:

You might also look at a players character as well, as someone with a short temper, (temperament) might be more prone to be vicious if provoked, especially if he is a dirty player as well.

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good explanation.howabout those who play in earlier game. there isnt much rule in 30 era.I read 4dfoot article about goalkeeper dying because he was kicked 3 times on chest and 1 on head, its not a foul

I see many article, that many team play physical,using muscle.like first football games, scotland vs english

if they play in moerng ame,still they would play hard game,or they would adapt well, to be more "soft" ?

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so 200 CA means all of players attribute, if summed,would be 200?

No, definitely not!

There are 4 values that determine a players' ability. We can't see any in the game and only 2 of them are available to edit in the editor.

I copied this from Alex Crawford, who works for SI.

"CA: Current Ability, everyone knows about this one & its real world definition would be the value assigned to describe a player's general football ability, the higher the value the more technically proficient a person is at football. This is why attacking players tend to have a higher CA than defensive players.

PA: Potential Ability, nice & simple, it's just the maximum CA value a person can attain.

PPA: Perceived Potential Ability, used by scouts & coaches to give the user a star rating for PA in game, it can be over or under the true PA & is based on a number of factors.

RA: Role Ability, this is not shown to the user other than a list that shows a player's best roles, the actual value is unknown to the user & it is down to their talent as a manager to ensure that the player is being used in the best manner for their ability. RA is defined by the attributes that are important for the role & can see a defender with a 150CA have a role CA of 185, he is not the greatest footballer in the world but due to having the right attributes for his role he is an absolute monster in defence because he does not need to have the pure technical ability of an attacking player with a much higher CA."

So as you can see there's a lot more to it than a simple tolling up of numbers. Now when it comes to how this works in practice, I don't know how it distributes the attributes exactly, but I do know that physical stats absolutely eat the CA value, so always be careful when you put in high numbers for those stats. Like I said earlier though, it's all trial and error with making players.

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good explanation.howabout those who play in earlier game. there isnt much rule in 30 era.I read 4dfoot article about goalkeeper dying because he was kicked 3 times on chest and 1 on head, its not a foul

I see many article, that many team play physical,using muscle.like first football games, scotland vs english

if they play in moerng ame,still they would play hard game,or they would adapt well, to be more "soft" ?

I think people adapt to the situation today, most players would have adapted. do I think Vinnie jones would adapt? no of course not. it depends on the player. It's just common sense at the end of the day.

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and,after u put 0 on player, then could we receive different attribute on same player?

like marking is 3 on my computer,but at my friend's it become 8

We're completely hijacking Fenech's thread here! The honest answer is "I don't know", but I would assume that it would be the same. Only way to find out is to try it out.

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We're completely hijacking Fenech's thread here! The honest answer is "I don't know", but I would assume that it would be the same. Only way to find out is to try it out.

I dont know what is hijack is , Maybe its sort of piracy. Im so sorry.. I just too excited :(

now all back normal.Im calmed down. And waiting for the release

once again,sorry..

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I dont know what is hijack is , Maybe its sort of piracy. Im so sorry.. I just too excited :(

now all back normal.Im calmed down. And waiting for the release

once again,sorry..

Haha, kind of... I guess. Language barrier!

I mean our conversation is taking over Fenech's thread and that's not fair. We should stay on topic.

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Hail 'Josef Bican'

Born in Vienna on 25 September 1913, he was part of the SK Rapid Wien 'Wunderteam', finishing as the Austrian league's top scorer in 1934. He also registered 14 goals in 19 appearances for Austria and played at the 1934 FIFA World Cup in Italy, where his side came fourth. However, he would leave even more of a mark at Slavia Praha, where he scored 395 goals in 217 games between 1937 and 1948, as well as 18 in just 16 outings with Czechoslovakia.

The International Federation of Football Historians and Statisticians awarded Bican the "Golden Ball" as the greatest goalscorer of the last century. The award was judged by the number of times a player had been top scorer in his domestic league. Bican managed this feat 12 times, once more than the Brazilians Pele and Romario: in total, he succeeded in scoring 649 times in his career. The award recognised the 229 goals he scored during the Second World War, which had previously been excluded since Czechoslovakia was not independent at the time.

When the IFFHS had failed to count his wartime goals for a previous award, Bican boycotted the ceremony, claiming they had "stolen" his goals. Instead, he drank tea from a thermos flask with his wife in their hotel room. Bican could cover 100 metres in 10.8 seconds - but what distinguished him was his love of scoring goals, whether tap-ins or 30-metre volleys. His goals won him Austrian championship medals from 1934 to 1937, the first two titles with Rapid Vienna, the others with local rivals Admira.

He has agreed after much discussion to go back bang in his prime to 24 years of age at Slavia Prague, and he is ready to go on an amazing scoring spree once again!

Welcome again Josef 'Pepi' Bican!

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Josef Masopust was named European Footballer of the Year in 1962. In November 2003, to celebrate UEFA's Jubilee, he was selected as the Golden Player of the Czech Republic by the Football Association of the Czech Republic as their most outstanding player of the past 50 years. He played as midfielder and was an indispensable player for Czechoslovakia. He capped 63 times, scoring 10 goals for his country.

He was named by Pelé as one of the top 125 greatest living footballers in March 2004.

Masopust was in a similar mould to that of the Magyar Bozsik; a workhorse of a team, who toiled away in obscurity crafting and building fresh attacks for the front line. Masopust though was not devoid of technical abilities and could 'play the violin and do the dishes'. He Possessed exemplary ball control, his transmission with ball on foot through the field was clinical, which he utilized for both; basic work, from the recovery of the ball in defense, to driving menacingly through the opposition in what was termed 'Masopust's slalom'. During these solo runs Masopust would seamlessly switch between both feet, easily jinking to the left and right but always moving forward.

Like Bozsik, Masopust as well was a marvellous passer, and was able to pick out teammates with both strength and precision. The only flaw in his capabilities came from his physical weakness due to his medium build, but he made up for this deficit with massive reserves of stamina and pace, allowing him to be a tireless engine in the centre of the field.

Shackled by Czechoslovakia's 'no-risk' style philosophy, Masopust's natural inclination for attack was limited, yet he still managed 10 goals in 63 caps for his country. At club level he scored 79 times in 386 appearances for Dukla Praha. He was a box to box midfielder.

"Masopust was one of the greatest players I ever saw. But it is not possible that he was born in Europe. With those explosive dribbles, he had to be Brazilian!" Pele

Well Mr. Pele, we have news for you! He was born in Europe, You only wish he was Brazilian! :lol: Furthermore he has stepped out of retirement and he is now just 21 again at Dukla Prague.... so you will need to help him complete the final years of his development, but for now please give a very warm welcome to:

Josef Masopust!!!

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David "Dave" Halliday (11 December 1901 – 1970 was a Scottish footballing prolific goalscorer and trophy winning manager. His 38 goals in 1923–24 made him top scorer in Scotland's top flight that season and 43 goals in 1928–29 gave him the same distinction in England's top flight that season. He scored 376 senior goals as well as scoring at two then non-league clubs. As a manager only Halliday and Alex Ferguson have guided Aberdeen to be Scottish champions.

In 1925 Sunderland paid £4,000 for his services. Replacing Charlie Buchan in the team, Halliday soon became equally prolific South of the border as North, scoring at least 35 league goals in each of the four full seasons spent at Sunderland. His 43 goals in 1928–29 made him top scorer in England's top division that season. This remains Sunderland's highest number of league goals scored by one player in a season in the club's history. Halliday hit his first 100 goals for Sunderland in just 101 games. Halliday is the only goalscorer in top-flight football in England to have scored more than 30 goals in four consecutive seasons.

Dave Halliday has the best strike rate (goals to games ratio) of any Sunderland striker in that club's history: 165 goals in 175 games (156 league goals from 166 games, and nine in nine FA Cup outings) for an average of 0.943 goals per game. Only Charlie Buchan and all-time Sunderland top scorer Bobby Gurney have scored more goals for the club than Halliday. Halliday has scored more hat-tricks (12) than any other Sunderland player, and he hit four on three occasions. He outscored Dixie Dean in league goals in a season.

To give some measure of Halliday’s ability, 28 players have scored over 200 goals in England’s top division. Halliday is in that list along with such names as Jimmy Greaves, Bill ‘Dixie’ Dean, Alan Shearer, Hughie Gallacher, Ian Rush and Denis Law.

As of 2010 in the IFFHS list of the most successful Top Division Goal Scorers of all time, Halliday is 56th in the world with 303 from 394 top flight games, again in Scotland and England. To put some context on this list by picking out a few other names; 1st is Pelé, 3rd is Ferenc Puskás, 4th is Romario, Gerd Müller is 10th, Gunnar Nordahl is 15th and Jimmy Greaves 16th. Further down Johan Cruyff is placed 63rd and 97th is Diego Maradona.

As one of the world’s greatest ever goal scorers it is hardly surprising that Dave Halliday is the greatest goal scorer Dumfries has ever produced. Scotland can be proud and Sunderland will score a lot of goals with this guy leading their attack! No wonder they are coming in at media prediction 4th.

Sunderland? Champions League? You're having a laugh! :lol:------------ Dave isn't laughing though, he's very serious indeed!

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