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England squad:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Fraser Forster (Celtic).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Luke Shaw (Southampton), Chris Smalling (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Southampton), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Attackers: Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United).

Standby: John Ruddy (Norwich City), Jon Flanagan (Liverpool), John Stones (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Andy Carroll (West Ham United), Jermain Defoe (Toronto FC).

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Not a single outfield player from outside the top eight clubs in the twenty-three.

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Generally think that this squad is right and I would like to give Roy praise for having the bravery for picking some of the players that he has included especially Shaw and Barkley.

My only change would be Gareth Barry in the squad instead of Frank Lampard. Barry has been in much better form and I find it strange that we haven't really included a defensive minded midfielder. I would also have liked to have seen another wide midfielder but you can't do much when Walcott, Rodriguez and Townsend are all injured. I also didn't want to see Adam Johnson or Ashley Young anywhere near the squad so taking only 3 wide men will have to do. Many will disagree but I think that Milner is a good inclusion and is under-rated and I almost want to celebrate with a beer that Cleverley isn't in the main 23 (praying we have no injuries in midfield before the tournament).

With the likes of Lallana, Sterling and Barkley, I hope that we go to Brazil and at least try to get the best out of them by playing some good attacking football. We could do a few teams if we try to play the right way.

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What's changed in the last two years then? Here's our Euro 2012 squad (players not in the 2014 squad bolded):

Goalkeepers - Joe Hart, Robert Green, John Ruddy.

Defenders - Leighton Baines, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Glen Johnson, Phil Jones, Joleon Lescott, John Terry.

Midfielders - Gareth Barry, Stewart Downing, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, James Milner, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Scott Parker, Theo Walcott, Ashley Young.

Strikers - Andy Carroll, Jermain Defoe, Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck.

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Not a single outfield player from outside the top eight clubs in the twenty-three.[/quote

How many players from any of those are realistically good enough?

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Urgh Milner

You're an idiot if you don't see the value to Milner. Who would you take instead?

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Great utility player across midfield and good sub to have when winning, you wouldn't start him but you have totally missed his value to the squad.

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Including Milner actually allows us to include one more attack minded midfielder. If he hadn't of included Milner then he would have had to include another defender and leave out one of the attacking midfielders.

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the Value of milner being put on the wings instead of someone with pace?

The value of Milner being put on the wings and being better at crossing than anyone else in the England squad except Baines and Gerrard will be massively invaluable, yes.

Milner haters have never watched him, clearly, because he is a fantastic player.

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the Value of milner being put on the wings instead of someone with pace?

Being a winger isn't necessarily all about pace. Is useful as hell, but not having it doesn't mean you can't be useful in that position. Plus he can be useful in the centre if needs be, he was always a dead cert to go, he's a very good squad member.

The game against Liverpool sums up what Milner can bring.

Again, who would you take instead?

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As long as Milner plays at least semi-regularly for Citeh, he's going to be in every England squad - his versatility is an absolute godsend. I imagine similar will be true of Phil Jones in coming years.

Got to say I'm pleasantly surprised by how bold the squad is - I'd echo the sentiments about Barry for Lampard, though - the latter is only going for his experience and I'd imagine he'd feature in a less attacking role, something that the former is more specialist in. I imagine it's Barry's relative lack of caps that's counted against him, plus when you've got Milner who can do a job at DM, I don't think we're short of cover there.

Away from that, I've never been a fan of Welbeck - I'd've taken Defoe ahead of him as he'll always poach you a goal off the bench.

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Milner to be this year's Hargreaves.

Players like him are vital to World Cup squads.

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the Value of milner being put on the wings instead of someone with pace?

Take it you don't like Beckham then?

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I'm confused. Is this the England thread? needs a better name if so. Or can't we just move the other thread over and close this :confused:

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the Value of milner being put on the wings instead of someone with pace?

We probably would have another winger with pace if it was helpful to the squad. Lets look at the alternatives here though.

Walcott - injured

Rodriguez - injured

Townsend - injured

Johnson - had 1 good month but hardly heard him mentioned during the rest of the season

Young - spends more time on the floor and has a lack of end product (1 assist and 2 goals in 20 appearances this season)

So who does that leave us with? Only player I can think of is Jason Puncheon who to be honest was never going to be called up.

Milner is also a player that will give us cover in plenty of positions and roles. Like I said earlier as well he is also under-rated and brings a lot more to a team than most people realise. He didn't make 31 appearances for Man City this season for being average.

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We probably would have another winger with pace if it was helpful to the squad. Lets look at the alternatives here though.

Walcott - injured

Rodriguez - injured

Townsend - injured

Johnson - had 1 good month but hardly heard him mentioned during the rest of the season

Young - spends more time on the floor and has a lack of end product (1 assist and 2 goals in 20 appearances this season)

So who does that leave us with? Only player I can think of is Jason Puncheon who to be honest was never going to be called up.

Milner is also a player that will give us cover in plenty of positions and roles. Like I said earlier as well he is also under-rated and brings a lot more to a team than most people realise. He didn't make 31 appearances for Man City this season for being average.

Milner would have a very good chance of being picked if all those options were available as well to be honest, for the exact reason you say in your last line. It's a shame people don't see the value of the likes of Milner and only judge players on goals/assists. And as the Liverpool game showed, he can come off the bench and make a difference, not just in a defensive way but offensively too. Can't believe people ever thought Milner might not go, especially in a Roy Hodgson team.

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I'm confused. Is this the England thread? needs a better name if so. Or can't we just move the other thread over and close this :confused:

No, just the squad announcement. Create an England thread if you want one, don't want the 49 page one in here!

PS Milner is great

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Milner would have a very good chance of being picked if all those options were available as well to be honest, for the exact reason you say in your last line. It's a shame people don't see the value of the likes of Milner and only judge players on goals/assists. And as the Liverpool game showed, he can come off the bench and make a difference, not just in a defensive way but offensively too. Can't believe people ever thought Milner might not go, especially in a Roy Hodgson team.

Sorry, I should of said he was always likely to go. 100% agree with what you said. If we had another winger available then I believe Lampard or Barkley would of been the player to miss the cut with The Ox missing out if 2 out of Walcott, Rodriguez or Townsend were fit.

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So are the standby players travelling/training/featuring in the friendlies? Or literally just sitting at home by the phone on the off chance there's an injury?

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Not a single outfield player from outside the top eight clubs in the twenty-three.

How many players from any of those are realistically good enough?

Do you honestly think the likes of Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, or Glen Johnson are better than, say, Ryan Shawcross or Curtis Davies or Joel Ward? Frank Lampard's only started half of his club's matches this season and hasn't looked particularly effective in those starts, while Tom Huddlestone has been a far better player since moving to Hull.

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Walcott - injured

Rodriguez - injured

Townsend - injured

Johnson - had 1 good month but hardly heard him mentioned during the rest of the season

Young - spends more time on the floor and has a lack of end product (1 assist and 2 goals in 20 appearances this season)

So who does that leave us with? Only player I can think of is Jason Puncheon who to be honest was never going to be called up.

Gayle :D:D:D

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IMHO it's the best England squad in years. The past tournaments there were always a couple of players in the squad like Lennon, Heskey or Carragher that made you go like 'him, really?'.

But I think most players in this selection had a superb season and really deserved to be there. (although I'm not a big fan of Smalling)

Should be an interesting tournament for England.

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I quite like the England squad, and am happy Hodgson has gone with players like Barkley & Shaw instead of the 'safe' options such as Cole and Carrick. The only change I would have made to the squad is Shawcross or Caulker in instead of Smalling.

This is probably gonna blow up in my face, but this feels a lot like the Italia 90 squad. I am just about old enough to remember it, and back then England went in with zero chance of winning, or even doing anything significant (we won't win this years WC before anyone starts), and with quite an inexperienced and young squad. Back then players like Platt & Gascoigne were only early 20's and only had a handful of caps to their name. For Platt & Gascoigne see Barkley and Sterling.

If Hodgson has the nuts to play these attacking players as they have done for their clubs this year we could very well be exciting to watch.

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I've actually been really impressed with Milner over the past couple of seasons. Think he has a strong case to start for us in the WC. More than deserving of a place in the squad.

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He gets underrated by some because he isn't particularly flashy, nor will he beat a man for pace. However, he's an intelligent player and can fill a number of roles. It's pretty hilarious to me that there are people who legitimately think he doesn't even deserve a place in the squad. He should start at least one of the games against Italy/Uruguay.

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It's the opening game, need at least a point on the board, it's going to be baking hot... Hodgson clearly going to set us up to avoid defeat against Italy. Clearly going to involve Milner in that... wouldn't be surprised to see him revert to 4-4-2 with Milner, Gerrard and probably Wilshere all sitting fairly deep, Oxlade-Chamberlain on the other wing to run at them. Pretty much the game plan against France at Euro 2012 from what I remember.

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no, that was always my oppinion, he gets used out wide and clogs up a place where we could have an attacking outlet.

I have already said this.

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no, that was always my oppinion, he gets used out wide and clogs up a place where we could have an attacking outlet.

I have already said this.

In a 4-4-2 we'd have a really unbalanced squad without him in.

Who would you replace him with, out of curiosity?

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Echo most other peoples thoughts in here of I like the squad. Would have liked to have seen A. Cole in there over Shaw simply because how reliable he has been for England and deserved one last WC, but end of the day Shaw is a huge talent and hopefully he'll benefit hugely from this WC :thup:

Got a good blend of youth and experience, where the younger players can ask the older heads such as Lampard etc how to deal with certain situations.

Only question left for me is how will Roy set the side up, and will he allow them to play with attacking freedom or be defensively rigid.

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in a 4-4-2 with Milner on one side and some pace on the other, how is that balanced? just go with pace on botrh for me so we have more outlets of attack.

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in a 4-4-2 Milner should play in the middle with a Gerrard/Henderson. I always thought his best position was in the middle like he did in his last season with Villa. Plus he's got a hard shot in him that I havent seen in a while, maybe let him take Lampard/Gerrard-esque shots and hope for the best. After his displays in 2012, I wouldnt wanna start him on the wings again.

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Milner is a good player and useful to the squad, but to trust him and Henderson (or Gerrard for that matter) in the most important positions on the pitch, in international competition, is suicide. You could say we should just play down the flanks but don't forget other teams will have the ball too, and more than us most likely. They'd be ripped apart in MC.

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in a 4-4-2 with Milner on one side and some pace on the other, how is that balanced? just go with pace on botrh for me so we have more outlets of attack.

Pace isn't the only thing that matters ffs

Also, I'll cry if we use a 4-4-2, will get torn to bits in midfield.

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Pace isn't the only thing that matters ffs

Also, I'll cry if we use a 4-4-2, will get torn to bits in midfield.

Depends what sort of 4-4-2, with the players we have it could be like a 4-4-2 where Left side say is Sterling, Gerrard/Henderson in middle then Milner right side, then Rooney/Sturridge upfront, it then can transform into a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 with ease with those players involved as they all have the flexibility to move around.

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I'm confused. Is this the England thread? needs a better name if so. Or can't we just move the other thread over and close this :confused:

whs

may as well move the England thread and move it back/rename after the tournament

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Or create a proper world cup thread like every other nation...

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He usually choked when he played for England though.

Fitness will be the key during this world cup. We can't have any old stragglers in the Brazilian heat, (although Gerrard in a defensive midfield might do ok). If you can get to the latter stages of the tournament with reasonably fresh players you will have a big advantage over teams that have pushed themselves too hard.

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