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i have a really bad positioning for my central defenders i want to upload a photo from my computer to show you but it doesnt allow me to upload.photo is jpeg and only 143kb but i cant upload.fyi they are too seperated from each other although i play narrower.if you tell me how to upload,i can upload photo.

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Sounds like you're using a Half Back.....

yes im using half back but he never comes inside those 2 defenders so it becomes easy to through ball

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If you're determined to use the HB, with two very attacking WB's, try putting both CB's on a 'cover' duty, so their instinct is to drop a yard or two, and to cover for each other when drawn into a challenge.

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If you're determined to use the HB, with two very attacking WB's, try putting both CB's on a 'cover' duty, so their instinct is to drop a yard or two, and to cover for each other when drawn into a challenge.

hb is not necessary.would it be the same with dm/d?

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No, the HB role is 'hardcoded' to make the CB's split wider. Using a DM on any duty will make the CB's sit closer together.

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No, the HB role is 'hardcoded' to make the CB's split wider. Using a DM on any duty will make the CB's sit closer together.

i have all supports in midfield and af seems really far from them.what would you recommend for striker?

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i have all supports in midfield and af seems really far from them.what would you recommend for striker?

My personal preference is universal support roles :) - I'd have the striker as a CF/S. Mine is an 'unusual' approach though I think (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/385532-PASS-Deconstructing-the-Frameworks), others would have one or two of the midfielders on attacking duty.

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well, we all know that mediocre/bad strikers for their level are a lot more efficient than world class strikers. That's why they get the big bucks.. oh, wait....

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You're seriously complaining about the ME for losing to Rayo (As Real) - but you aren't looking at the fact you only had 44% possession? I think you really need to look a little closer to home for the REAL reasons (pun intended) for that........

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Your tactics are very attacking, whereas Rayo will be set up very defensively against you. That is why you struggled. You were too gung ho and got caught on the break or set pieces.

These situations are the same i am struggling with.

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Possession isnt everything though....

I'm well aware of that - but whether you are trying for possesssion or not, only getting 44% of it with Real against Rayo suggests there is a big problem there somewhere. (especially as the 4-1-2-2-1 (which his tactic essentially is) is designed to be a possession friendly tactic)

Let's start with the issues that him playing attacking, and then adding higher tempo and more direct passing into the mix, cause...........

(just in case I'm being too cryptic with that - he is basically telling them to hoof it forward as quickly as possible from defence, but then only has one attacking player (the CWBs won't have time to get forward) who will be isolated from the rest of the team against a packed defence)

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You are playing too many specialised (or semi specialised) roles, for a very fluid philosophy. You have no "attack" duties from midfield, which is why your striker is so isolated. You have somany confusing team instructions (as well as 8 being too many pre-match). A Half Back is not a bad idea, but it is a waste of Alonso's talents.

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You're seriously complaining about the ME for losing to Rayo (As Real) - but you aren't looking at the fact you only had 44% possession? I think you really need to look a little closer to home for the REAL reasons (pun intended) for that........

ofc i complained about the me i mean i obviously have some tactical problems but not against rayo.you cant even imagine what ronaldo bale and benzema are missing.i can understand bale and benzema but not ronaldo.he misses interesting chances,very poor one on one shooting.

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ofc i complained about the me i mean i obviously have some tactical problems but not against rayo.you cant even imagine what ronaldo bale and benzema are missing.i can understand bale and benzema but not ronaldo.he misses interesting chances,very poor one on one shooting.

Just to point out - Arsenal lost to Bradford, Zambia won afcon, Greece won euros - anything is possible.

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yes, but they did so largely by defending well and not allowing the opposition a ton of good chances per match. The complaint here is a valid one since I see it day in and day out. world class players blast chances where they can ask the keeper where he wants it either wide (corner flag wide that is) or straight at the keeper whilst the underdog strikers will relentlessly score from their only shot, driving backwards on a wheelchair.

Can happen in the odd occasion, no doubt about that. but it'S unfortunatle an all too familiar sight in the last couple of installments of FM.

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Gervinho missing an open goal from 2 yards - happens too

Yes, once every blue moon. I thought I made it clear that these things do happen. It's the regularity in which they happen that is bugging me.

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Gervinho missing an open goal from 2 yards - happens too

excuse me,how many ballon d'or does he have?it wasnt a good comparison.but yes you're right those things can happen.i posted it because i was so angry when it happenned.its just a game im trying to improve.

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excuse me,how many ballon d'or does he have?it wasnt a good comparison.but yes you're right those things can happen.i posted it because i was so angry when it happenned.its just a game im trying to improve.

The point is - you felt it was unreasonable that Real lost to Rayo - when in fact it happens sometimes, even with a perfect approach sometimes it just happens

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the point is not the loss in itself though, it's the manner and recurrence in which these results happen. Mind you I just played Köln (relegation battlers). Battered them for 90 minutes. They got off 4 shots, 3 desparation punts and one chance from their winger (composure 10, finishing 11, technique 11). Guess what - he chips the ball over my keeper like it was the easiest thing in the world. While Lewandowski and Lamela blasted their 1-on-1s straight at the keeper and miles wide respectively. Lewandowski also managed to shoot the ball straight at an already beaten keeper from 1-2 yards away and my guys hit the woodwork 4 times. Again, if this were an occasional thing then fine. having to put up with this crap almost every time you face a relegation battler is just utter nonsense.

Edit: just to prove a point I've replayed the same match 4 times now. Each and every time they score on their first attempt while I managed to score just once form countless chances across the 4 games combined, but hit the woodwork 13 times in the process.

Edit 2: tried a fifth time. this time 3-1 win with my playrs actually taking a few of the good chances and only one shot hitting the woodwork (that's good considering this is woodwork manager 2014). Still, Köln had 2 shots with one coming from very long range late in the game. They scored on their first shot, this time from a corner where their striker went completely unmarked.

Again, the event in itself may be realistic. Conceding 5 goals from a total of 14 shots while only scoring 4 from a total of over a hundred across 5 matches is highly unlikely. looking at the chances (not the CCC count) it's actually been 4 great and 2 good scoring opportunities for Köln across these five matches, they took all but one of the great ones, and both that were good. I lost count of the great and good scoring opportuinities my guys smashed at the woodwork, keeper or Rhine river. It's been at least 5 times as many. As said, as a single game ok. 4 times in a row?... I don'T know... Ok, experiemnt stopped. I really hope these 2 points I lost at Köln don't hurt too much... Dortmund is right now killing everyone getting in their way...

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Again, if this were an occasional thing then fine. having to put up with this crap almost every time you face a relegation battler is just utter nonsense.

THe first part of the bit I've quoted is correct - if this happens occasionally, then it is unlucky. However - the second bit should tell you that it is something you are doing wrong - if every time you play a relegation battler you lose / struggle with this problem, then there is something not right with your tactics WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING A SIDE THAT SETS UP VERY DEFENSIVELY. So you then have to try and work out what you could do differently to change that.

People get so attached to a specific tactic "because I can beat Man City / Bayern / (insert any top side)" and forget that the approach that is effective against a side which will come out and play against you may not work against a packed defence.

You can tell me I'm talking rubbish (and I'm sure you will) - but the fact is - you are the one who says he is struggling against lower sides, whereas lots of players aren't - so that should tell you that it IS something that YOU are doing wrong in those matches - or else EVERYONE would have the same issues against those type of sides.

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THe first part of the bit I've quoted is correct - if this happens occasionally, then it is unlucky. However - the second bit should tell you that it is something you are doing wrong - if every time you play a relegation battler you lose / struggle with this problem, then there is something not right with your tactics WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING A SIDE THAT SETS UP VERY DEFENSIVELY. So you then have to try and work out what you could do differently to change that.

People get so attached to a specific tactic "because I can beat Man City / Bayern / (insert any top side)" and forget that the approach that is effective against a side which will come out and play against you may not work against a packed defence.

You can tell me I'm talking rubbish (and I'm sure you will) - but the fact is - you are the one who says he is struggling against lower sides, whereas lots of players aren't - so that should tell you that it IS something that YOU are doing wrong in those matches - or else EVERYONE would have the same issues against those type of sides.

so I should change my tactics that produces anything but goals? my players get great opportunities to score yet they constantly miss and the opponent takes every chance they get, and be it from a cross where their jumping 9 striker outjumps my two jumping 15/17 centre backs.

There is a difference between sorting out a tactical problem and changing tactics to work the ME in your favor. what you are suggesting is the latter and if anything it shows there is a flaw at least in how tactical issues manifest itself in the game.

Could you imagine any manager changing their approach when their tactics produces scoring opportunity after scoring opportunity while the opponent can'T get out of their own half because they think "ok, my strikers are too stupid to hit a barn door for 2 feet out, I gotta change my tactics"?

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Could you imagine any manager changing their approach when their tactics produces scoring opportunity after scoring opportunity while the opponent can'T get out of their own half because they think "ok, my strikers are too stupid to hit a barn door for 2 feet out, I gotta change my tactics"?

Ignore the real world. FM is effectively a strategy game.

In certain scenarios, your strategy isn't working.

You recognise this, and yet are reluctant to try an alternative strategy.

Until you accept that a change is needed in certain games, you will continue to struggle in these scenarios. Simple, and that is what Rob4590 is saying.

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Ignore the real world. FM is effectively a strategy game.

In certain scenarios, your strategy isn't working.

You recognise this, and yet are reluctant to try an alternative strategy.

Until you accept that a change is needed in certain games, you will continue to struggle in these scenarios. Simple, and that is what Rob4590 is saying.

It's not that I'm not adapting, far from it. I adapt if I see that my guys aren't getting in front of goal, I adapt if I'm being run over in midfield. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. most of the time, it works. What do you guys suggest to do against your strikers not taking the excellent opportunities they are presented? Use a tactic that doens't produce excellent opportunities and hope for the lucky punch?

You said it, it is a game. A strategy game. I develop a strategy to help my team get into positions to score. Add in that I have the better players. Since this is a game I would expect my players to convert more of the great opportunities than the opp. players, who are (usually a lot) worse. Yet sometimes I feel like the game punishes the attacking team because otherwise these would score 200 goals a season. When I see a finishing 18, composure 15 striker blast the ball to the corner flag that is bad enough. Seeing a finishing 7, composure 11 player chip the best keeper on the first/only chance instead (after outpacing a much faster (attribute wise) full back, too) is driving me insane. Again, not because it happens once.

If not for the overall greatness (and lack of competition) of this game I'd probably have given up a long time ago and went for something that is actually rewarding you in a fair way. I get little joy out of this at times.

And it works the other way round, too. Last year's champions league semis against Man city. A home, it was a pretty even game. We ended up 4 CCC (what I call CCC, not the game) for my team, and 6 for Man City. my team won 5-0. Naturally I'm a lot less inclined to complain about that, but seeing that getting battered and still win is my default mode of advancing through the latter stages of the champions league I can#t be happy with that. And it shows that too often the team that is attacking will miss great opportunity after great opportunity while the team betting hammered will calmly slot home every shot they get.

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Ignore the real world. FM is effectively a strategy game.

In certain scenarios, your strategy isn't working.

You recognise this, and yet are reluctant to try an alternative strategy.

Until you accept that a change is needed in certain games, you will continue to struggle in these scenarios. Simple, and that is what Rob4590 is saying.

fm might be strategy game but if you are finding enough ccc'es and your strikers cant hit even ronaldo suarez cavani etc. it doesnt mean strategy isnt working.it means fm has to change at least world class strikers.

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You are playing too many specialised (or semi specialised) roles, for a very fluid philosophy. You have no "attack" duties from midfield, which is why your striker is so isolated. You have somany confusing team instructions (as well as 8 being too many pre-match). A Half Back is not a bad idea, but it is a waste of Alonso's talents.

Ok - I gave you this advice earlier, you did not even mention it or acknowledge it, or attempt to change anything. This has turned into a match engine is broken rant. Feedback in the feedback thread, and this is for tactical advice if you still want it. Otherwise I will simply close the thread.

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Well how has it worked?

it effected well but i got sacked because lost championship and wasnt successful at cl

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it effected well but i got sacked because lost championship and wasnt successful at cl

Was it a close run thing? What other problems did you have?

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