Steaton's 'Invincible' 4-2-3-1 - Consistency - Balanced - 14.3.0 - Plug and Play

[bmcosta]

so wich one is best, v1?

[oldHolborn]

Great tactics! Thank you so much body

v1 or v2?

[toffeeeee]

Got battered using V2 lost 5 on the trot after a good start with it.

[GagoLab]

v1 or v2?

http://www.mediafire.com/download/h0ix93ok1puv35o/Steaton%27s+Invincible+4-2-3-1.tac

and now!

[Steaton]

I am no longer happy with the new version v2 - I have got two other I use which are working in my multiplayer game the new one worked ace in my Portmouth game where I am seriously outclassed in player quality but I suspect I didnt test it enough - in my online game it simply isnt good enough! Will edit the above post too. Nice idea seemed to work for a while didnt stand the test of time. Vanilla tactic is showing its value though time and time again as is the one I will share with you now which is a giant killer against teams with extremely players like neymar, isco, mata - so great against my friends in multiplayer

[Steaton]

so wich one is best, v1?

It is version 1 that performs time and time again - doesn't always look so good but it is and so consistent against almost all other tactics often able to beat much bigger teams without having to specialise! Yes it can let the odd goal through and yes if they are destroying you with through balls in the gap left by the wide full backs the best thing to do is take stay wider off on your full back backs, here is a well tested tactic I've used that leaks far fewer goals - but somehow version 1 is still a touch more reliable but there isnt much in it:

Please note previous link was to incorrect version by mistake apologies to those that downloaded it - that one would lost with barca versus skrill

Steaton's_Invincible_4-2-3-1_Plugged_Hole.tac

Another tactic that is able to take a lot of puishment and will get you a win against far superior teams more often than not as it will snatch a goal or two but may conceed a goal or two as well still when you are up against Man City with a **** team its the best option, you will feel under the hammer but it can take a lot and I use it in my multiplayer games to beat my friend who has a superior team - it's not pretty though - but usually does the trick especially against the really creative flamboyant teams:

Steaton's_Invincible_4-2-3-1_Resilient.tac

These two are tried and tested and the Plugged one is good enough to be your every game tactic though I'd only use resilient to snatch a win when there would otherwise be no hope.

I will run a quick versus game example of each now just to demonstrate though it's a bit different in your proper games with morale and fitness and everything coming into play.

[dibbo79]

How long did v2 work for you?

Having moderate success with it so far but only 22 games in (w17 d2 l3) lost the games against 1st and 2nd

I am Liverpool so obviously have (some) better players

Finding A LOT of tactics suffer massively in the second season

Enjoying it so far which I haven't done for ages - thank you

[BradzleyB]

Simply Amazing. Plain and Simple. Thank you for letting me enjoy 14.3 after a miserable spell.

[Steaton]

How long did v2 work for you?

Having moderate success with it so far but only 22 games in (w17 d2 l3) lost the games against 1st and 2nd

I am Liverpool so obviously have (some) better players

Finding A LOT of tactics suffer massively in the second season

Enjoying it so far which I haven't done for ages - thank you

No v2 worked only as long as the screenshot please see my posts above about fthe failure of v2 and it looked so good for a few games for me like really good (sadly as with so many not got the consistency ) - all tactics that pass full testing go into the initial post so take a look back on top of page 1 of this forum.

The original v1 on the first page is the solid consistent tactic and you will also find a couple of variants included:

1. Defensive Hole Plugged that prevents the AI from taking advantage of the gap between the FB and CB and is pretty good all round every day variant that also works consistently has a slightly more creative way of scoring. This is really just a set of small changes that were perfected over a long period of testing using some of the observation in the discussions from this forum but not exactly the same. If you were to simply remove stay wide from the FBs it would not be quite a good as this variant. Still I've not changed over to this I still often use v1 especially in tough games cause I trust it a bit more to win even if I go one goal down early on its still best to stick with it (that is unless you can see the passes taking advantage of the FB/DC gap - passing to the outside of the DC - a goal through the middle of the DCs or a lob or something is typically a fluke that you dont need to worry about) and you normally come back 3-1 in the end (for some reason it does better in the second half - my friends are complaining about the regular come backs calling me a lucky **** - but its not luck).

2. Resilient For trying to get a win in a game where you otherwise would have no hope cause their attacking players are ripping you apart - works quite a bit in the right games e.g against Man City or Barca type teams with fast agile dribblers with skill - wont work against more rigid solid styles of team. It's based on using LD Stoppers in the centre that hold position and close down less - and had been adjusted to beat my friends top teams in our online game (a lot of work went into this and its been ace beating all by 3-0 - just glad they dont read on here to see how I did it - but its also working against other similar situations e.g. Man C and Bayern M with my portsmouth game - it's a counter tactic only though not an every day tactic.

p.s. No tactic works for me for a few games after I sell and buy many players (a team level issue - the more change the longer and bigger the impact - still a better tactic does help regardless of this disadvantage) and for new players to perform at their best (at an individual level) it can take a full year for them to settle properly as individuals - you can see this from the assistant advice in the match once they stop saying such and such is not used to closing down or whatever then they have settled fully and you really notice it in the way they play - the individual will go from 80% their ability to 100% this translates to avg ratings from mid 7's to 8's. None of this is tactics though its all just about how long they have been in your team and how different your tactic was when they signed compared to what they played before you cant get rid of it by changing the tactic to suit the player.

Does that make sense? Feel free to add me on skype or on steam if you want to discuss or help improve it.

So what does the future hold:

Well I'm currently of the opinion that moving from attacking to counter might help or that moving from balanced to fluid might help - thats my next set of tests and I imagine some other settings will need adjusting to compesate to get the right balance. Eventually I really do hope to have a v2 that is better than v1 and combines some of what I learn from each of these variants - I normally crack it in the end but I still hold that v1 is the best tactic about right now - anyone thinks they have a better one PLEASE do let me know so I can investigate cheers.

[Steaton]

How long did v2 work for you?

Having moderate success with it so far but only 22 games in (w17 d2 l3) lost the games against 1st and 2nd

I am Liverpool so obviously have (some) better players

Finding A LOT of tactics suffer massively in the second season

Enjoying it so far which I haven't done for ages - thank you

Your second season issues are because you buy many players instead limit yourself to buy fewer better players and don't change too much and you will be fine and perform better - changing staff or tactics has minimal impact but buying players and to a lesser degree selling players has a big impact - I think more than 3 new players has quite a big impact and it depends on many things such as how senior the player is squad status, leadership, age, personality, language, country and much more, lot of big names is going to be rocky - but of course the players are much better so may offset it - this impact is biggest early on in the season but will take a long time to really settle - the more players bought and sold the bigger the impact - if you want your invincibles achievement team stability for entire season is key!

EDIT: Worth mentioning that squad harmony bar is bollocks and is always full not like previous versions - your real harmony is hidden.

[Hooligan]

Hi steaton, in normal games, you always start with v1 or with new version defensive hole plugged?

[Steaton]

Hi steaton, in normal games, you always start with v1 or with new version defensive hole plugged?

Version 1 is your best bet IMO this gets the best results consistently and has had the most extensive testing and is proven to be consistently good against almost all tactics and gives a big advantage even against teams that are superior - its a safe bet most of the time.

I use Resilient against opponents in my multiplayer game as I know it would almost certainly win - whereas my version 1 would likely give me an advantage if teams were equal (but they have top tactics too - so its a bit more of a coin toss) the Resilient one totally counters short passing through ball type tactics (which most humans use as they rely on pulling your defenders out of position and running into the space behind).

The Defensive Hole Plugged tactic has been tested the least I have tried it with success but with a top team and it leaked fewer goals and still scored plenty - not sure if you would get the same advantage if you were playing a better team as you would with version 1 on a consistent basis - try it when you go a couple of goals up and see how it plays - or on the odd occasion you see them threading a lot of balls to the outside of your DCs creating chances - would be good to get a second opinion on this tactic though as has been tested the least. I hope to take what we learn from this one and create a better version of v1 - i.e. a v2 that does not have a defensive vulnerability - wouldn't that be nice have my cake and eat it - thats the aim but would really be a cheat tactic once that has been achieved.

I have a suspicion that there is a version of tactic 1 probably without stay wider on the FBs and/or having the defence supplemented just a touch by the MCs perhaps using by using contain rather than attacking or what seems most promising is to use fluid rather than balanced - it need to have little or no impact on the subtle balance though which is the key to why it performs well so consistently against all kinds of tactics - so please feel free to try this I haven't had the chance yet but think the signs are good it will work. No point testing changing the settings of the defenders as I think Defenders rather Ball Playing or Limited works best (not convinced having a cover and a defend rather than both on defend is best or not seems 6 of one half a dozen of the other). And I also think defensive line being on deeper seems to be best stopping crosses into the danger zone and blocking forward runs into the danger zone more often.

[furq]

I plugged it, I played it, I got beat 7-0....

[Steaton]

I plugged it, I played it, I got beat 7-0....

Nice any details can you export the match and link it? Or tell me what plugged it means?

Please note previous link was to incorrect version by mistake apologies to those that downloaded it - that one would lose with barca versus skrill which totally explains the 7-0 loss (I lost 5-0 too but could see straight away was wrong shape)

You can see why I have folders full of this ****:

[Steaton]

Portsmouth v Man City - Testing each variant with exact same team selections - remember this is random names game.

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(Worth noting Portsmouth team has just been completly replaced - agressively so I'm not popular, and the stability will be at the lowest it can be as described previously I'd expect to have a high probability losing this game with any tactic - none of the players have ever even met each other before - 11/14 players on the pitch were all purchased this season anf 6 of those in the last 2 weeks - had to rid myself of those less than chamionship quality players I still had from my days coming up from division 2 without any money at all - total net spend in 4 and a half seasons on players is just under £15m)

RESILIENT (Lost 2-3):

PLUGGED HOLE (Won 2-0):

And the full game file to watch for yourself:

Portsmouth v Man City - Plugged Hole.pkm

You will notice that Man City did have shots from within the 'danger zone' but for some reason the arrows go the wrong way. Will just check on this and see why. Ah the two reds in the danger zone with arrow going wrong way where attempted shots but actually it was Portmouth that cleared them - that makes sense.

Tip: Did you know that in analysis you can click any of the dots and it shows you the replay of that moment instantly no delay just 3 seconds of in match clip - very handy.

VANILLA - (Lost 1-3)

[jason bhoys]

Where is the correct version mate

[furq]

I used the tactic in the opening post, used it with Cardiff City, first season, won opening friendly against a weak Spanish side 2-1, next game I played CSKA Moscow at home and lost 7-0, could have been 15-0, I have never been torn to ribbons like that. Did I download the wrong tactic. 4-2-3-1 really suites Cardiff City ( wish Solskjær would use it) So i was hoping this was the answer to my prayers.

[Peter5000]

Steaton - seems like a very good tactic. Could you try it against this tactic?

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/387460-14.3-Chrissy-s-P-amp-C

[Steaton]

Steaton - seems like a very good tactic. Could you try it against this tactic?

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/387460-14.3-Chrissy-s-P-amp-C

Are you on Steam we can do it on versus now?

[Steaton]

I used the tactic in the opening post, used it with Cardiff City, first season, won opening friendly against a weak Spanish side 2-1, next game I played CSKA Moscow at home and lost 7-0, could have been 15-0, I have never been torn to ribbons like that. Did I download the wrong tactic. 4-2-3-1 really suites Cardiff City ( wish Solskjær would use it) So i was hoping this was the answer to my prayers.

I did post an incorrect one earlier the 'Defence Hole Plugged' one that would lose Barca 0 v 7 Cardiff was some random ****ed up experimental thing I do every so often just to see how the tactics engine works - just go get it again result will be vastly different. See above discussions.

[Peter5000]

Are you on Steam we can do it on versus now?

Not today - sorry :-(

[furq]

I used the one that is your opening post in this thread http://www.mediafire.com/download/h0ix93ok1puv35o/Steaton%27s+Invincible+4-2-3-1.tac I assumed that was V.1 that is "the most consisten"?

[Steaton]

All links are updated - but I just tweaked the Defensive Hole Plugged to go fluid and it looks to have really done the trick so try that.

[furq]

All links are updated - but I just tweaked the Defensive Hole Plugged to go fluid and it looks to have really done the trick so try that.

Alrighty, I'll give it a try, thanks for your patience.

[Kranky123]

Steaton,

Just about to start a new save with my beloved Pompey.

You think I should use the Vanilla tactic or the Plugged version?

Also, if I'm to do a save in the Skrill south, with Gosport, which would you recommend also?

Thanks in advance.

[ChuckDiesel]

Hey Steaton thanks for making this tactic. I really appreciate your efforts.

I played your tactic in my first season at Tottenham. Got 2nd in the league about 13 pts behind Chelsea and 1 or 2 pts in front of Man U. Also won Euro Cup and League Cup (Capital One). In my first Euro Cup game I beat Motherwell 11-0. But from then on all the games were close and I had real trouble playing away against top half teams. I also tied a couple games at home that I thought I would win easily like Cardiff and Sunderland.

2nd season I started 5 wins and 2 draws. Again Cardiff drew at White Hart with me and Newcastle also at home. So for whatever reason I decided to go to Very Fluid and left everything the same. I started winning a lot. I drew Anderlecht 0-0 away in my first Champions league game when I switched and since then I haven't lost or drawn. I think I'm on a 26 or 27 game winning streak. The other tweaks I made were going defensive with time wasting at the 75th minute when up a goal. I'd usually score again when the other team started pressing for a goal. I only conceded once with that setup and that was Liverpool away.

In my first season I only made one change to the team. I sold Roberto? I think that was his name, the Brazilian DM. And Bought Wellbeck from Man U. Second season I have a few new players but they're still young and not anywhere near their peak potential. Anyway this is the first tactic you put up for download so I'm guessing it's V1.

Anyway I hope the feedback helps. The tactic does seem to be vulnerable to a central attack but like you said it's because the DL/DR play wide. I haven't played around with their instructions because I'm happy with the results so far. I also seem to score a good amount of corner goals so that seems to be working. All this is on 14.3 update of course.

[paul7875]

what post number is the good tactic link in

[Steaton]

The first page - but I keep them all correct.

[paul7875]

thanks al give it a try looks good:applause:

[Steaton]

I used the one that is your opening post in this thread http://www.mediafire.com/download/h0ix93ok1puv35o/Steaton%27s+Invincible+4-2-3-1.tac I assumed that was V.1 that is "the most consisten"?

It's impossible for this tactic to lose 15-0 mate - truly it is. Add me on Steam and I will give you a hand.

[Kranky123]

The first page - but I keep them all correct.

Steaton,

Just about to start a new save with my beloved Pompey.

You think I should use the Vanilla tactic or the Plugged version?

Also, if I'm to do a save in the Skrill south, with Gosport, which would you recommend also?

Thanks in advance.

[Steaton]

Hey Steaton thanks for making this tactic. I really appreciate your efforts.

I played your tactic in my first season at Tottenham. Got 2nd in the league about 13 pts behind Chelsea and 1 or 2 pts in front of Man U. Also won Euro Cup and League Cup (Capital One). In my first Euro Cup game I beat Motherwell 11-0. But from then on all the games were close and I had real trouble playing away against top half teams. I also tied a couple games at home that I thought I would win easily like Cardiff and Sunderland.

2nd season I started 5 wins and 2 draws. Again Cardiff drew at White Hart with me and Newcastle also at home. So for whatever reason I decided to go to Very Fluid and left everything the same. I started winning a lot. I drew Anderlecht 0-0 away in my first Champions league game when I switched and since then I haven't lost or drawn. I think I'm on a 26 or 27 game winning streak. The other tweaks I made were going defensive with time wasting at the 75th minute when up a goal. I'd usually score again when the other team started pressing for a goal. I only conceded once with that setup and that was Liverpool away.

In my first season I only made one change to the team. I sold Roberto? I think that was his name, the Brazilian DM. And Bought Wellbeck from Man U. Second season I have a few new players but they're still young and not anywhere near their peak potential. Anyway this is the first tactic you put up for download so I'm guessing it's V1.

Anyway I hope the feedback helps. The tactic does seem to be vulnerable to a central attack but like you said it's because the DL/DR play wide. I haven't played around with their instructions because I'm happy with the results so far. I also seem to score a good amount of corner goals so that seems to be working. All this is on 14.3 update of course.

Try the plugged tactic - I really think its nailed it now - no more losses me hopes but could be a false alert but I tried it on repeat in 3 games and tried same game with v1 and each game defensive hole plugged was superior - just can't be bothered posting all results here it taken a long time already. I did show one set of results above with Man City versus Portsmouth.

Also you could play a versus game with them againsr current tactic see which you prefer it takes seconds to set up.

[Russell10]

Hi Steaton

I'm manging a recently promoted side in ligue 2 in France

what tactic would you recommand?

[Steaton]

Vanilla is proven beyond a doubt but recent testing shows some excellent results with plugged - I think it may be better please provide as much feedback as you can for all to see. (I use a program called iScreenCapture which makes taking screenshots very very easy none of this messing about with paint.

[Steaton]

Hi Steaton

I'm manging a recently promoted side in ligue 2 in France

what tactic would you recommand?

Both will work great! Try either or use both as you see fit - I'd have em both trained - and perhaps the Resilient one too just in case you get Paris in the cup

[Russell10]

sorry to be a pain mate

but do you have a link to your vanilla tactic?

[Steaton]

Yes its clearly labelled at the top of page 1.

[Steaton]

Soon I will write a post on PPM this can have a massive impact on tactics - but if you read my post on page one about the 'danger zone' you will get some ideas of which to choose:

I will tell you that shoots with power, and lobs are ****, whereas places shots is probably the best - this is true regardless of tactic unless you can make the defenders and the goalkeeper dissappear - I wouldnt pick any of these though - I think you want runs with ball, plays with back to goal, knocks balls past opponent.

My all time favourites though are arrives late in opponents area (not sure you can trian this) and play one twos for the attacking mid - get forward whenevr possible for the full backs and cut inside for your inside forwards combined with run with ball through the centre is legend. Amyway more detail on this stuff to follow - I've seen other posts on this subject and they simply miss the point and talk about real football - not irrelevant but they havent observed the player doing it on the pitch enough in the match engine.

[ChuckDiesel]

Hi Steaton. Ok I will play a versus game my next match. I'll let you know how it goes.

[Steaton]

Hi Steaton. Ok I will play a versus game my next match. I'll let you know how it goes.

Can play you if you want to speed it up.

[Steaton]

You can go my tactic and I'll choose another - the one posted above that that guy wants me to test.

[Steaton]

Steaton - seems like a very good tactic. Could you try it against this tactic?

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/387460-14.3-Chrissy-s-P-amp-C

Steatons Invincible Vanilla 5 - 1 Chrissy's P & C

[pilmalm]

Really good results you've got there Steaton!

Trying your Def Plugged first season with Blackpool. Would you say I should use it both home and away, just as it is?

And, under what circumstances should i use Resilient? Used it against AZ in a friendly, taught they were much superior to us. The were leading 4-0 after first half. Then implemented the Plugged one into second half alongside my reserves, and the final result ended up 5-1. We played a lot better in the second half aswell. So, is it just against thoose big monsters (Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc?) we could use Resilient?

cheers

[DoubleR]

Really good results you've got there Steaton!

Trying your Def Plugged first season with Blackpool. Would you say I should use it both home and away, just as it is?

And, under what circumstances should i use Resilient? Used it against AZ in a friendly, taught they were much superior to us. The were leading 4-0 after first half. Then implemented the Plugged one into second half alongside my reserves, and the final result ended up 5-1. We played a lot better in the second half aswell. So, is it just against thoose big monsters (Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc?) we could use Resilient?

cheers

Would have been awesome if you won that match 5-4 by switching to plugged hole

[Steaton]

Really good results you've got there Steaton!

Trying your Def Plugged first season with Blackpool. Would you say I should use it both home and away, just as it is?

And, under what circumstances should i use Resilient? Used it against AZ in a friendly, taught they were much superior to us. The were leading 4-0 after first half. Then implemented the Plugged one into second half alongside my reserves, and the final result ended up 5-1. We played a lot better in the second half aswell. So, is it just against thoose big monsters (Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc?) we could use Resilient?

cheers

It is just against certain tactics and teams that the resilient one works those with mata, neymar type players e.g. Barcelone or Bayern - still I'm kinf of thinking of abandoning Resilient as I think a combo in some way Plugged and Vanilla will be better if I can figure out how to get it to work.

[pilmalm]

It is just against certain tactics and teams that the resilient one works those with mata, neymar type players e.g. Barcelone or Bayern - still I'm kinf of thinking of abandoning Resilient as I think a combo in some way Plugged and Vanilla will be better if I can figure out how to get it to work.

Just got kicked by Blackpool...

In my opinion i was playing ok ut having hard time creating chances in to goals, and ofc the opps scoring on every ccc they were having!

Dont know if i am going to try this one on a new save..?

[DoubleR]

First game with the plugged hole tactic. Sure it was a home game against Levante (who are currently 7th in La Liga, but have taken out Rubin Kazan), but I would say it is still impressive

Clear cut chances are "uitgelezen kansen" meaning those were 8 vs 0

shots, 28 vs 8

shots on goal 13 vs 3

average rating 7,50 vs 6,45

[Steaton]

First game with the plugged hole tactic. Sure it was a home game against Levante (who are currently 7th in La Liga, but have taken out Rubin Kazan), but I would say it is still impressive

Clear cut chances are "uitgelezen kansen" meaning those were 8 vs 0

shots, 28 vs 8

shots on goal 13 vs 3

average rating 7,50 vs 6,45

Thanks for actually taking the time to show a screenshot that gives real information! Guys take note this is what we want to see when you give feedback - just saying you lost a game without some supporting information is really a waste of time.

On the other hand I'm not happy with unplugged at the mo though that does look good I like how tight it is, and have seen similar on regular occasions, all the shots outside the box will be from set pieces. However versus Vanilla it gets destroyed - and it did really well in 1 player but sometimes didnt have the extra something, I mean you saw that even with a brand new team of players that were always going to lose this one managed to pull of a win against Man C consistently when Vanilla lost consistently (I only posted first example but tried it 3 times each before meddling), its a good tactic - will do vey well against teams you should beat - may struggle against defensive teams that put all their players behind the ball and is vulnerable to some player/tactic types - so I don't think its got the ability to perform against all tactics quite as well as vanilla performs and vanilla does well in the tough games, you kinda feel safe with it. Still Vanilla might lose a game or two in its own way so... (and my testing is really limited with this tactic - you know how it is - trial and error you never really know - until you realise that now you really do know and im far from there with this tactic)

IMHO though Vanilla is still the bollocks can't beat it (yet).

BUT I have a new one below is an image of my it in a versus match against vanilla - first tactic that can beat vanilla 10 times in a row with same team versus same team (but thats a head to head situation and when I tried it with team that didnt have the players it needs it started to be a bit more shaky though I was meddling and may have corryupted it - trying to figure out which one was the one that shone consistently might have made an unsaved tweak.

New tactic - to replace unplugged but not quite ready:

The way vanilla does it is more like this a lot of the time (note two of the reds are own goals here):

And this is an image of a tactic that won got a couple of goals but will be unreliable, in fact most of the time two goals from these shots is very lucky even if there is a sideways pass just before the shot to put the keeper out of direct line:

p.s. Don't bother with resilient its too much a specialist tactic designed to beat my friends head to head and I think the same can be done in a better way and I intend to remove if from the introduction and also to replace plugged (and I dream of being able to replace Vanilla soon but that a tough one). Showing scoring chances alongside shots can be informative if you can be bothered.

[DoubleR]

Have to say I'm not happy with unplugged at the mo - Vanilla is still the bollocks - I get tactics that do better but then they cant do it all the time - will give a lot of feedback and evidence of the numerous experiements and testibng conducted soon. Don't get me wrong unplugges if you been using another tactic will be great but Vanilla is still better.

p.s. Don't bother with resilient that too specialist to be of use unless you are in multiplayer clans and games with player who have great tactics.and better teams than you.

Thanks for actually taking the tiome to show a screenshot that gives real information though - I think it wont perform that well every time - but Vanilla wont give you that many shots most of the - it will however convert 3 all the time - and against opposition that is tougher - and it may not look like its going to win so might put you off but I've said it before don't be fooled it is the best one tactic plug and play for those that don't want to or arent sure what to change tactics every game (I can change every game but only if I watch it on comprehensive - and I do play this way a lot - by its nice to have a tactic you know you can rely on - vanilla is that tactic).

Sadly I tried Vanilla before and although it was the best out of all the tactics I have tried (and I have tried more than 20), I still made me lose 2-0 in an away game against Derby County (as Arsenal).. who are currently 14th but were even lower. That's why I now wanted to try the plugged hole version hoping it would maybe be a bit better.. defensively? Although while writing this I have just lost 1-0 away at Southhampton who are currently 6th (again as Arsenal)...

14.3 just doesn't seem to like me All those tactics that work for a lot of people.. just don't seem to work for me... while on 14.2.2 the tactics I used (with the same squad) went perfectly..

And I know this is the 'noob move number 1' I am actually going to reroll this match with your vanilla tactic.. just to see what happens

EDIT: Hmm ok now I really don't know anymore what is happening haha.. as stated above with your plugged hole version I lost 0-1... but rerolling the match away against southampton I now won 1-2 .. and pretty dominantily too.. would you be interested in some more screens for this match with your vanilla tactic?

[Steaton]

Yeah catch me on steam dude and we can put an honest analysis to share and maybe fix the prob, I havent tested it with many team but I have tested it against many teams. Screen shots will do but I can't click the little green and red dot on a screen shot and actually see what happened in the match