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Okay, if you're going down the pre-determined/cheating/AI-bias (or whatever you want to call it) route again start a thread here in General Discussion.

If you're looking for tactical advice about what to do when the AI team comes back into matches in the 2nd half, then the Tactic forum is the right place. :thup:

Edit: Couldn't find where wwfan told you that, but I'll still ask:

It was actually a PM and what he said was "I can't see anything wrong with it, apart from there being too many team instructions".

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He can't see anything wrong with your Control tactic? Because I'd believe that. I question the others, but you still haven't provided an answer even though I have asked twice now.

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I'm not using the C word as i'm not categorically saying that it exists, it may just be a glitch with the ME due to all the number crunching the game does.

Did you mean a new thread in the "Tactics" section? if so, I already did, I have even asked wwfan about the tactics I used and he very kindly told me that they are solid.

They are solid, but you obviously aren't making good decisions. Could be man and/or media management related or could be tactical in terms of what you are doing to try and see out matches. I also told you that you need to tone down your TIs. You could well do with adding some PIs to some of your players to eke the most out of their ability. Impossible to know without having full knowledge of your team and nothing we can help with anyway as it would mean we were basically playing the game for you.

HUNT3R is right in telling you to work out the aim of your tactical switches. If you can't express that, then your are changing things up randomly, which would explain your seemingly random results.

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He can't see anything wrong with your Control tactic? Because I'd believe that. I question the others, but you still haven't provided an answer even though I have asked twice now.

I use the Control tactic when i'm clear favourite home and away. The "Standard" tactic is for tight odds games against similar teams and is also used when I have a good lead having used the Control tactic. The Counter tactic is used when i'm clear underdog, or usually to see out the last 5 or 10 minutes of a tight game.

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I use the Control tactic when i'm clear favourite home and away. The "Standard" tactic is for tight odds games against similar teams and is also used when I have a good lead having used the Control tactic. The Counter tactic is used when i'm clear underdog, or usually to see out the last 5 or 10 minutes of a tight game.

I can't help but feel that your Counter tactic would be so much better without that BWM in the DM slot. If you're trying to see out games, that BWM will get pulled all over the place trying to close down midfield runners and he'll leave huge gaps in front of the defence, which in turn pulls them into all directions. You're making it worse with the "Hassle Opponents" instruction too.

It might work for you as the underdog, but as a tactic to see out games, it is flawed. The tactical mods can say much more than I'm able to, but those two issues are clear to me.

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I use the Control tactic when i'm clear favourite home and away. The "Standard" tactic is for tight odds games against similar teams and is also used when I have a good lead having used the Control tactic. The Counter tactic is used when i'm clear underdog, or usually to see out the last 5 or 10 minutes of a tight game.

Simply changing the mentality won't always work. You have to think about how your players and their roles will adapt to those changes. Particularly if you use a lot of team or player instructions. Again, this is the problem with using a d/loaded tactic. You're more reluctant to actually change any specifics as you don't really understand how the tactic works fully.

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I can't help but feel that your Counter tactic would be so much better without that BWM in the DM slot. If you're trying to see out games, that BWM will get pulled all over the place trying to close down midfield runners and he'll leave huge gaps in front of the defence, which in turn pulls them into all directions. You're making it worse with the "Hassle Opponents" instruction too.

It might work for you as the underdog, but as a tactic to see out games, it is flawed. The tactical mods can say much more than I'm able to, but those two issues are clear to me.

Cheers, i'll look into that, appreciate the advice.

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Cheers, i'll look into that, appreciate the advice.

I should add, that your tactic (the Counter) isn't bad in the defensive phase. It gets caught out in the defensive transition, especially if a pass is intercepted, but in general too. You'll get caught 3v3, 2v2 or worse, but now we're getting really tactical, which is why I pointed you to the Tactics forum :)

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I should add, that your tactic (the Counter) isn't bad in the defensive phase. It gets caught out in the defensive transition, especially if a pass is intercepted, but in general too. You'll get caught 3v3, 2v2 or worse, but now we're getting really tactical, which is why I pointed you to the Tactics forum :)

I'll just share with you my most recent frustration.

Here goes..............

Two days before a big away game away to Arsenal(its close to Christmas) I lose one of my two KEY strikers to a training ground injury. Me being me and because of what I keep witnessing, I think to myself I just bet my other top striker gets injured during the game. I know, paranoid right?.................wrong, he is taken out during the game and is injured for 3 months(my other injured striker is now on international duty for a month or so).

That's all pretty frustrating bet hey ho such is life. The extra kicker is, I draw the game against Arsenal 2-2 having had a goal disallowed for a foul in which my player(the apparent culprit) was nowhere near the foulee, I complained after the game and the FA kept quiet, so more bad luck. Also, Arsenal scored with their only two shots on target which were both courtesy of unforced player errors.

It get worse, I then play away to a struggling Everton side, we dominate the entire game but my 3rd choice striker fails to find the net(or the target for that matter)

Screenshots from both games...

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It just seems strange that the only luck I get is bad :(

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It has nothing to do with "luck". In the first screenshot, a draw is a fair result. In the second, you only had 1 (ONE!!!) shot ON target out of 14! I'm basing this on the stats, because it's all you've given us.

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It has nothing to do with "luck". In the first screenshot, a draw is a fair result. In the second, you only had 1 (ONE!!!) shot ON target out of 14! I'm basing this on the stats, because it's all you've given us.

Its 100% down to luck(or the other thing I mentioned). We had a goal disallowed that should have counted, Arsenal were handed their goals on a plate, I lost my two key strikers within a couple of days of each other and my 3rd striker struggled to convert some easy chances.

That's a whole lot of bad luck right there.

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I can have my defenders play up front and not have 1 shot on target out of 14. Your backup strikers/wingers could (and should) do better than that.

Edit: I just got hammered my Shakthtar and still I had 3 of my 5 shots on target. Scored one too.

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FWT, you're either trolling us all to death, or you're having an absolute 'mare on this thread. Not quite decided which yet.

It's entertaining stuff nonetheless.

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FWT, you're either trolling us all to death, or you're having an absolute 'mare on this thread. Not quite decided which yet.

It's entertaining stuff nonetheless.

Trolling, isn't that what YOU do Dave???

I'm simply pointing out what I think are flaws in the game at the end of the day.

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Can I just point out that after I posted the gloating boastful statement in post #2453 yesterday, I went on to lose 3 of my next 4 games, (after only having lost 1 of my previous 16).

Never ever ever ever ever ever EVER boast and gloat. The FM Gods are always watching. :lol:

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I'm simply pointing out what I think are flaws in the game at the end of the day.

The irony being that what you're actually doing is displaying your own flaws. Good work. :applause:

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The irony being that what you're actually doing is displaying your own flaws. Good work. :applause:

I'll admit to about 15-20% of it being my own fault, but the rest is all FM.

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I'll admit to about 15-20% of it being my own fault, but the rest is all FM.

You're wrongly blaming the game here. Anyway, either continue in your thread in the tactics forum for tactical queries/advice etc. or start a thread here in GD to discuss the "bad luck" only you suffer.

You've derailed this thread for long enough now.

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6EDE4ECB2A31DA042B13876E97F4DA54479FF814

erm.... this can't be right

1. I'm at home

2. I won the cup last season

3. its the 3rd best team in spain.

had this last season with Leverkusen away as well.

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I'll admit to about 15-20% of it being my own fault, but the rest is all FM.

And with that attitude, nothing will ever change for you - until you take full responsibility for what happens and make logical changes based on the stats, you will continue to get the same results - nearly all of which are down to a tactic that does NOT give you good scoring chances (no matter how much YOU think it does - the stats over all the screenshots you have posted say otherwise (ie about 10-25% shots on target))

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not sure why this feedback thread is still open.. its just pointless now - nothing will change

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not sure why this feedback thread is still open.. its just pointless now - nothing will change
No it isn't, this thread helps SI to improve things in the next version of Football Manager which is FM 2015.

I went back to my long term save in FM 2013 and in terms of the ME time hasn't goldened memories: it's way better and balanced. Much harder to get chances at least with adequate players but if I put good amount of adequate players to defend I am able to limit even the big teams even though I still lose to them. I would say that there are generally about 2-3 times less good chances to score in games which makes it much more enjoyable for me. And my ball winning midfielder is actually winning the ball back to my team and then giving it to my playmaker: doing exactly what I want him to do. And I've never seen my 'decent' full-backs being dominated by decent or even good wingers and on the other hand my wingers aren't dominating either. Crossing is far less effective which is nice and generally the defending is far ahead of this year's version even though I've conceded 4 goals from set plays in three matches but I'm sure I can fix that with tactical changes.

What I like compared to 2013's version in FM 2014 is the general interface of tactics where you decide the shouts. Then again sliders are much more interesting to me than just the roles and shouts but this current tactics system with sliders also available would be brilliant...

Also like the ability to start tutoring from the player's development and training screen: made it so much easier to find the right tutor for certain player.

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My biggest issue with FM 2014 is the high proportion of goals scored, and especially conceded, from set pieces and penalties. In my first season with Rayo Vallecano I became so frustrated that I started to note down how the goals were conceded. Of 66 goals conceded, 39 came from set pieces and penalties. That's 59% compared to the 25-30% that seems to be the norm in real world football. I'm now in fourth season and I don't bother to count anymore but the proportion of goals conceded from set pieces seems to be only slight less than in the first season. This is especially evident when playing bigger clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern or Man Utd. Then you know in advance that you're probably gonna have to score two or three goals just to cancel out their set pieces goals.

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My biggest issue with FM 2014 is the high proportion of goals scored, and especially conceded, from set pieces and penalties. In my first season with Rayo Vallecano I became so frustrated that I started to note down how the goals were conceded. Of 66 goals conceded, 39 came from set pieces and penalties. That's 59% compared to the 25-30% that seems to be the norm in real world football. I'm now in fourth season and I don't bother to count anymore but the proportion of goals conceded from set pieces seems to be only slight less than in the first season. This is especially evident when playing bigger clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern or Man Utd. Then you know in advance that you're probably gonna have to score two or three goals just to cancel out their set pieces goals.

I take it you understand that set pieces don't just 'happen'? If you're conceding more than normal from set pieces, it may be you're giving away too many silly fouls around the penalty box, or you're conceding too many corners, or it could be your players simply struggle to defend set pieces. Might be an idea to concentrate defending set pieces for a while alongside setting up some new routines via the set piece creator.

Or you could just say the game is against you. Your choice I suppose.

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Rubbish like this needs to be sorted players not in possition when a freekick outside the box is taken...

Its really silly players not even set up the wall yet

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Its annoying coz there is always silly goals scored against me

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Rubbish like this needs to be sorted players not in possition when a freekick outside the box is taken...

Its really silly players not even set up the wall yet

Its annoying coz there is always silly goals scored against me

You can always report these silly bugs in the bugs forum as that's where they belong, not here. :thup:

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They are part of the general hoarding set.

I have never seen either one of them.

I get....

WarChild

One Game One Community

Games Aid

www.sigames.com

@FootballManager #FM14

Sega

Like Football Manager.

Football Manager Handheld

Every so often I get a new one, but it never seems to stay long.

That't why they jumped out at me. Never seen any of the above one's.

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I think that there is some logic to the hoardings that are displayed but I do not know what that system is other than some obvious boards that link to the country you're managing in, when I was managing Real Betis I would have La Marca crop up as one of them.

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I think that there is some logic to the hoardings that are displayed but I do not know what that system is other than some obvious boards that link to the country you're managing in, when I was managing Real Betis I would have La Marca crop up as one of them.

Oh I see. That's interesting. So Just Giving, the darker one, (can't see it), and Sky Sports are all because he is playing in England. That makes sense. How come I don't I get any Italian one's then? :(

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Rubbish like this needs to be sorted players not in possition when a freekick outside the box is taken...

Its really silly players not even set up the wall yet

Twice in this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKc40emBx74

I could go on forever

Its annoying coz there is always silly goals scored against me

Over a sample of any reasonable size, it is literally impossible to say this and not be wrong, unless it is down to your tactical mistakes. Given you probably haven't done anything wrong in your defensive free kick set up, you are wrong that its always against you.

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Twice in this video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKc40emBx74

I could go on forever

Over a sample of any reasonable size, it is literally impossible to say this and not be wrong, unless it is down to your tactical mistakes. Given you probably haven't done anything wrong in your defensive free kick set up, you are wrong that its always against you.

There is a big difference in a free kick without the whistle and taking a freekick before the team is organised

If you watch all of them you see the team get the chance to organise the wall and mark up

My example show all my players bar 1 fussing about the wall whilst there are several unmarked players

Hunt3r I assumed as this freekick before opposition are in possition happens so often that it was a feature of the game and not a bug.

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There is a big difference in a free kick without the whistle and taking a freekick before the team is organised

Just because I didn't find a specific example in a 5 second search, you are being ridiculously delusional if you believe defending teams are always ready when the whistle actually does blow.

It still could be a bug right enough, but your idea that it happens a lot is in my opinion wrong, and your idea that bad luck only happens against you is objectively wrong.

EDIT - if it is a bug, then a the proper thing to do would be report it in a proper manner and offer to upload a file to help with it, not throw a little hissy fit calling it rubbish, given that it is not uncommon in real life.

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Only marginally the silliest highlight of the game.

I was all set to say "oh come on, I've seen that happen a few times over the years".

But then I realised that it wasn't a striker, it was a defender. Yeah I have seen that happen too, but that IS indeed silly.

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I take it you understand that set pieces don't just 'happen'? If you're conceding more than normal from set pieces, it may be you're giving away too many silly fouls around the penalty box, or you're conceding too many corners, or it could be your players simply struggle to defend set pieces. Might be an idea to concentrate defending set pieces for a while alongside setting up some new routines via the set piece creator.

Or you could just say the game is against you. Your choice I suppose.

Why would I say the game is against me? I only said that the proportion of goals scored from set pieces seems to be much higher in the game than in real life, regardless of team strength or super tactics. I guess that goals must be scored somehow and in this game it seems to be from crosses, through balls behind your fullbacks and mostly set pieces. And no matter how strong your team is or which super anti-set pieces routine you're running, you're always gonna concede from those plays, as they do "happen" from time to time.

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The thing is, it's not happening for everyone. So far in my save, after 13 games I've conceded 19 goals. 4 from corners (most in the league :() and 1 from a DFK. That's quite reasonable.

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Why would I say the game is against me? I only said that the proportion of goals scored from set pieces seems to be much higher in the game than in real life, regardless of team strength or super tactics. I guess that goals must be scored somehow and in this game it seems to be from crosses, through balls behind your fullbacks and mostly set pieces. And no matter how strong your team is or which super anti-set pieces routine you're running, you're always gonna concede from those plays, as they do "happen" from time to time.

How have you calculated your set piece goals?

From the in game stats? or from watching the games and noting down yourself?

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Why would I say the game is against me? I only said that the proportion of goals scored from set pieces seems to be much higher in the game than in real life, regardless of team strength or super tactics. I guess that goals must be scored somehow and in this game it seems to be from crosses, through balls behind your fullbacks and mostly set pieces. And no matter how strong your team is or which super anti-set pieces routine you're running, you're always gonna concede from those plays, as they do "happen" from time to time.

I think that was the case in previous issues of the game, but I'm really not seeing it in FM14, (at least not regularly). Don't get me wrong, I have gone through "phases" of both scoring loads and equally conceding loads at other times, but in the main I rarely concede from corners and have been much better in recent years defending free-kicks. Attacking-wise, I have had a few real purple patches with both free-kicks and corners, (and long-throws too actually). but at the moment, despite being gthe most successful I have been in a 15 year career, I am really struggling to score from set-pieces.

In Serie A I have scored 6 goals from corners, (out of 59 scored). That's pretty average in comparison to the other Serie A teams.

In Serie A I have conceded 2 goals from corners, (out of 26 conceded). That's pretty good and only 2 teams have conceded fewer.

In Serie A I have scored 1 goal from a DFK, (out of 59 scored), and 11 Seria A teams have either scored 1 or 0 so far this season, (we are in April).

In Serie A I have conceded 0 goals from a DFK, (out of 26 conceded). 11 Serie A teams have conceded either 1 or 0 so far this season.

In Serie A I have scored 3 goals from an IFK, (out of 59 scored). That's pretty decent and only 2 teams have scored more.

In Serie A I have conceded 4 goals from an IFK, (out of 26 conceded). That's pretty poor and nobody has conceded more. (I need to work on that but I do give away lots of free-kicks so maybe I just have to accept that if I want them to play like that).

Why isn't there a penalties conceded by team stat? :(

In different seasons the above stats would differ greatly, (I once went almost a whole season without conceding from a corner just to prove a point), and then conceded from corners in 2 consecutive games in the last month.

What I am getting at here is that you can never determine 100% that YOU WILL NOT CONCEDE FROM CORNERS!, but there is an awful lot you can do. The way I play the game is that I really focus intensely on a very small part of the game until I have done it to death, and then I move on to something else. At the moment I am building a whole squad of Model Pro's just to see what impact it will have.

If you concede many goals from set-pieces then simply you need to have a look and see why you are conceding. There will be a reason. There always has been when it has happened to me. Now if I can just work out why I am not scoring from them, then I will be laughing. Might just win me the Serie A title next season. :cool:

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I have to admit I haven't went through all the pages of this post, but has anyone else experienced anything about players asking to be put on transfer list as a result of not increasing the league position of the club since the last chat in a season where you have won the league? All my good players want out because I promised them that we were going to become champions and we did.

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I am now enjoying the game to an extent after finally settling on a tactic although I settled on attacking because I really do not think defending is great in the game.

Both attacking and defending need to be improved for FM15. There needs to be greater lateral movement of players, more variation in how goals are scored, more sensible decision making by players (like stopping wingers and IF's shooting from ridiculous angles!) and far more options with regard to set pieces. Other options like allowing to allocate floated or driven crosses to individual players rather than the whole team would be welcome, unless I have overlooked something there but mainly a more balanced game that has more football logic.

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