cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 i also find it very interesting that the biggest improvement to the game has been the addition of "ask to sack player manager".interesting it took an entire year yo implement this excellent feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I wonder what the 32,000 people currently online with FM14 are doing if the game isn't playable? they may be trying to PLAY the game trying different tactics just lilke you should try to iron at least some of that bugs out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigiluigi Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 So you should adapt around bugs, instead of getting a bug free game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You will never get a bug free game. No such thing exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 As has been proved many times now (by people who eventually and begrudgingly join us in the tactics forum), a lot of the problems people are getting with the match engine are caused by a lack of understanding on how to use the tactical system. Yes, the game has bugs,. No, it is not unplayable. they may be trying to PLAY the game trying different tactics just lilke you should try to iron at least some of that bugs out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueflash Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Has anyone noticed that the ppm's "Hits freekick with power" and "Tries Long-range freekicks" Don't work in conjunction like they used to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 As has been proved many times now (by people who eventually and begrudgingly join us in the tactics forum), a lot of the problems people are getting with the match engine are caused by a lack of understanding on how to use the tactical system. Yes, the game has bugs,. No, it is not unplayable. so alright then let me try and explain in the ss above Saim Kayar just made a pass to Akif Alıcı.it's a great pass great oppurtunity.but you know what happened next? Akif passed it back to number 2 who's running from behind and he makes a cross to a player in the box who then takes an easily saved header.what tactic would cause a player who's only to pass the net wtih the ball to make a stupid back pass and in this one vietto shoots the ball instead of holding it up and pass the ball in front of one of his teammates who are instructed to make runs (IFs and CMa) now it's simple, i said do not shoot pass it and i said make runs behind the defence in instructions.what more can i do? and why is this player taking a shot from all the way from there did AI failed to grasp the tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Sorry, don't agree. All we were expecting is what was advertised and to be fair, in it's present state this game falls well below expectations of what we were lead to believe. SI delivered a game as advertised, it simulates football management as advertised and it runs on the minimum specs advertised, on the OS's advertised, can you tell me what hasnt been delivered that was advertised please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcb231 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 There's nothing in the tactics forum that will stop a keeper from falling back into the net unfortunately. Hard to swallow getting knocked out of a cup like that, even harder to swallow this company continuing to deny that something is wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 There's nothing in the tactics forum that will stop a keeper from falling back into the net unfortunately. Hard to swallow getting knocked out of a cup like that, even harder to swallow this company continuing to deny that something is wrong No-one is denying things that are actually wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 so alright then let me try and explain in the ss above Saim Kayar just made a pass to Akif Alıcı.it's a great pass great oppurtunity.but you know what happened next? Akif passed it back to number 2 who's running from behind and he makes a cross to a player in the box who then takes an easily saved header.what tactic would cause a player who's only to pass the net wtih the ball to make a stupid back pass and in this one vietto shoots the ball instead of holding it up and pass the ball in front of one of his teammates who are instructed to make runs (IFs and CMa) now it's simple, i said do not shoot pass it and i said make runs behind the defence in instructions.what more can i do? What are your tactical instructions (all of them)? Also what PPMs do the players involved have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 What are your tactical instructions (all of them)?Also what PPMs do the players involved have? it was like that at the time. and shoot less for ST and control/fluid oh and and BTW thank you for making it so that the opposition would begin to find extreme gaps in my defence and instantly transform into Bayern Munich after one of their player gets sent off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pafeu Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Stop wasting time with 'it's your tactics' kinda crap. Regardless of instructions player in the penalty area shouldn't make such a back pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Someone who wanted a prefects badge at school but never quite made it? Haha - I was always a kid behind the bike sheds I guess you were the kid always picked last when teams were selected? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_Cartman Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I wonder what the 32,000 people currently online with FM14 are doing if the game isn't playable? They start the game because they are bored as hell, hoping the game would be fine now. They do their pre-season, are pissed because of the flawed transfers, but accept it. Then, they start playing the matches, and after few games they quit. /loop/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You should probably dump the Be More Expressive team instruction and apply it only to certain players, as you're giving control to the players by using it. There's also a huge, huge gap left in your central midfield you should probably do something about - it would open up more options for your players to play the passing/retention game you want. Just changing the CM(A) to a CM(D) should help massively there. I'd also question the makeup of your attack. You have an AP and F9 floating around in the same positions (and an AP(S) will more or less stay in the same part of the pitch with limited attacking choices) and your only real attack seems to be coming from your IF, who won't really drift inside until he has the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I wonder what the 32,000 people currently online with FM14 are doing if the game isn't playable? That's as bad as the 'comparing with a car' argument. The ME/ AI is severely flawed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 They start the game because they are bored as hell, hoping the game would be fine now. They do their pre-season, are pissed because of the flawed transfers, but accept it. Then, they start playing the matches, and after few games they quit. /loop/ Yeah your right all 32,000 just hate the game, but cannot help but start new careers over and over..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Stop wasting time with 'it's your tactics' kinda crap. Regardless of instructions player in the penalty area shouldn't make such a back pass. That depends entirely on the situation tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'm pleased to see other people using the 'car analogy' to compare how disappointed we would be if... I used it once about two years ago and got slated for it.Thing is, his 'Honda' is very unlikely to be sold to him with so many faults as all cars undergo a rigorous testing before being released to the public. Of course once in a blue moon cars will be recalled because of some unforeseen problem that is accruing with some,not always all models. Now, Honda would take his car away and fix it and when he got it back it would be as good as new, it would not go away to be fixed and come back with even more faults than it had in the first place. Ah I'm being stalked by a troll. If you read my post you'll see I never mentioned the 3 letter word. However in reply to your statement I'll say "Toyota" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 They start the game because they are bored as hell, hoping the game would be fine now. They do their pre-season, are pissed because of the flawed transfers, but accept it. Then, they start playing the matches, and after few games they quit. /loop/ There are approximately 32,000 people or more playing the game in online mode at any point 24 hours a day. Please don't talk nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 That's as bad as the 'comparing with a car' argument.The ME/ AI is severely flawed. Yes, the 32,000 people playing the game are wrong, but the hundred or so people ranting in here are clearly right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You should probably dump the Be More Expressive team instruction and apply it only to certain players, as you're giving control to the players by using it.There's also a huge, huge gap left in your central midfield you should probably do something about - it would open up more options for your players to play the passing/retention game you want. Just changing the CM(A) to a CM(D) should help massively there. I'd also question the makeup of your attack. You have an AP and F9 floating around in the same positions (and an AP(S) will more or less stay in the same part of the pitch with limited attacking choices) and your only real attack seems to be coming from your IF, who won't really drift inside until he has the ball. i will of course take that into consideration but i actually have managed to get the ball the that particular area am i right? and if "be more expressive" causes a player, who received the ball in front of the post, to make an stupid back pass instead of hitting the ball home, WHY did you put it there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 i will of course take that into consideration but i actually have managed to get the ball the that particular area am i right? and if "be more expressive" causes a player, who received the ball in front of the post, to make an stupid back pass instead of hitting the ball home, WHY did you put it there? You should post about the back pass one in the bugs forum, it's very probably poor decision making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yes, the 32,000 people playing the game are wrong, but the hundred or so people ranting in here are clearly right. Surely you know only a small portion of a games player base visit forums? Just because they are playing, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with the game. Hell I'm playing it right now, I'm one of those 32,000 online now. Just because people are playing doesn't mean they think the game has no "game breaking" bugs. The sheer amount of goals at corners/ awful AI is definitely game breaking imo. Those things have a huge effect on results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Surely you know only a small portion of a games player base visit forums?Just because they are playing, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with the game. Hell I'm playing it right now, I'm one of those 32,000 online now. Just because people are playing doesn't mean they think the game has no "game breaking" bugs. The sheer amount of goals at corners/ awful AI is definitely game breaking imo. Those things have a huge effect on results. Have never said there is nothing wrong with the game. I'm simply combating the ridiculous claim that the game is unplayable. What's awful about the AI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Surely you know only a small portion of a games player base visit forums?Just because they are playing, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with the game. Hell I'm playing it right now, I'm one of those 32,000 online now. Just because people are playing doesn't mean they think the game has no "game breaking" bugs. The sheer amount of goals at corners/ awful AI is definitely game breaking imo. Those things have a huge effect on results. Serious question, since at no point have I ever seen you put figures up: What is the sheer amount of corner goals? How many is too many, compared per game over a season, to real life? Because for you to say too many you'd have to know both numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You should post about the back pass one in the bugs forum, it's very probably poor decision making. a)i've done that "posting in bugs forums many times(as well as sending many PKM with specific explanations by minutes) concerning the same issues and none of them was fixed b) the attributes of the said player so it's clearly not about decisions(assuming you were able to get that coding right since speed related attributes are practically irrelevant) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 What's awful about the AI? this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah, you'll need to explain what that picture actually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah, you'll need to explain what that picture actually is. he takes a shoot instead of trying to get nearer or driblle past the keeper and what about this tactic and thank you again for making me play 2 games in 4 days but still it's better than 3 games in three days and also for excessive injuries i thank thee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 and guess what Werner did with that pass... oh wait let me guess: ahhh tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 he takes a shoot instead of trying to get nearer or driblle past the keeperand what about this tactic and thank you again for making me play 2 games in 4 days but still it's better than 3 games in three days and also for excessive injuries i thank thee Its a clear tactic that I imagine will struggle against teams that park the bus and then counter to you death because you have no defensive shape whatsoever. I expect you'll see several games a season where you dominate and then draw or lose because the opposition have scored on the counter or through a set piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Have never said there is nothing wrong with the game. I'm simply combating the ridiculous claim that the game is unplayable.What's awful about the AI? Players ignoring the opposition, making no attempt of tackling or closing down. Keeper ignoring instructions set, or then sometimes it actually listens, but at idiotic times when a defender is near two attackers. Keeper beaten FAR too often at near post, keeper tends to dive on a headed back pass and it rolls into the goal. Defenders ignoring chasing a ball, leaving the attacker to get there is just a few. There are many goals scored for a corner, that doesn't seem to get added to the statistic as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balldoktor81 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 anybody noticed the problem with the time it takes to substitute your own players or tactics changes be made... sometimes, most of the time it takes like forever till changes get activated or substitutions take place... please SI do something about it. cause this can be a game killer if it takes around 10 minutes to see my tactical advice/change to be applied. i want to react as quick as possible to what's going on in the pitch. i experienced situations i wish i could react much quicker, but unfortunately it takes too long for my applied changes to be activated/recognized. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordUnitedFC Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 and thank you again for making me play 2 games in 4 days Whats unrealistic about playing 2 games in 4 days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 why the hell would he shoot from all the way up from there especially when i selected shoot less often? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Because some players will hit shots no matter what. Does he have any PPMs that would point to that? Really, if there are big issues that you think are bad, then raise them in the bugs forum, they're much more likely to get attention there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Yang Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I had to play 3 games in 5 days once. Then again, it was the Christmas season in the Premier League... And @balldoktor: the changes take time because they wait for a lull in play to be applied, which is realistic. You can't sub a player mid-play, you have to wait for play to stop. Team instructions also take time to apply because its impossible IRL for a manager to relay key instructional and sometimes formation changes while the ball is in play. Again, he'll have to talk to maybe one or two of his players who are near to the touchline, relay it to a sub coming in or yell it out at his captain/nearest players and wait for them to spread the word of it. Mourinho used to give a player coming in some paper that then gets handed of to whoever needed the instruction relayed to as well. And yes, sometimes it CAN take 10 minutes for this to happen, the ball may never go out of play, there's a series of continuous corners, your team has to defend a free kick that's taken quickly, etc. The time for implementation is meant to simulate this. Its not a game killer, its simulation of real life limitations that a manager has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 why the hell would he shoot from all the way up from there especially when i selected shoot less often? The main reason is because he has no passing options. You have a control team strategy which encourages players to get forward and get shots away reasonably quickly, looking at the pic the guy on the right is well marked and the three central players behind him are not passing options. That leaves the two players on the left, given more time they may have made runs which he could have found. Making it worse though is the "Exploit the middle" instruction which discourages passes out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Because some players will hit shots no matter what. Does he have any PPMs that would point to that?Really, if there are big issues that you think are bad, then raise them in the bugs forum, they're much more likely to get attention there. he doesn't have any PPM tha would interfere (logically speaking) moves into channels,knock the ball past keeper(that never happened),likes to round the keeper(that never happened too) and tries first time shots and if PPMs rule the player then what's the point of attributes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balldoktor81 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I had to play 3 games in 5 days once. Then again, it was the Christmas season in the Premier League...And @balldoktor: the changes take time because they wait for a lull in play to be applied, which is realistic. You can't sub a player mid-play, you have to wait for play to stop. Team instructions also take time to apply because its impossible IRL for a manager to relay key instructional and sometimes formation changes while the ball is in play. Again, he'll have to talk to maybe one or two of his players who are near to the touchline, relay it to a sub coming in or yell it out at his captain/nearest players and wait for them to spread the word of it. Mourinho used to give a player coming in some paper that then gets handed of to whoever needed the instruction relayed to as well. And yes, sometimes it CAN take 10 minutes for this to happen, the ball may never go out of play, there's a series of continuous corners, your team has to defend a free kick that's taken quickly, etc. The time for implementation is meant to simulate this. Its not a game killer, its simulation of real life limitations that a manager has. ten minutes, sorry dude, never ever!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 he doesn't have any PPM tha would interfere (logically speaking) moves into channels,knock the ball past keeper(that never happened),likes to round the keeper(that never happened too) and tries first time shots and if PPMs rule the player then what's the point of attributes? Actually, ignore what I said, and look at what cougar said. That's the right answer, and explains it simply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The main reason is because he has no passing options.You have a control team strategy which encourages players to get forward and get shots away reasonably quickly, looking at the pic the guy on the right is well marked and the three central players behind him are not passing options. That leaves the two players on the left, given more time they may have made runs which he could have found. Making it worse though is the "Exploit the middle" instruction which discourages passes out wide. that's because Ackter advised i should turn CM(A) into a CM(D) and i don't think Exploit the middle discourages passing wide since most of my attacks happens from wing no matter the instructions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 that's because Ackter advised i should turn CM(A) into a CM(D) and i don't think Exploit the middle discourages passing wide since most of my attacks happens from wing no matter the instructions The clue is in the phrase "Exploit the middle" EDIT Further to my earlier post, have you given much thought about how you want your team to defend? and how much thought have you given to how your team attacks? What happens when you win the ball? who is available for a pass? how do you transition the ball from defence to attack? who makes the runs? who provides the passes? who is available to take the shots? Who provides the width? Do your instructions help to follow that plan through? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 he takes a shoot instead of trying to get nearer or driblle past the keeperand what about this tactic and thank you again for making me play 2 games in 4 days but still it's better than 3 games in three days and also for excessive injuries i thank thee 2 games in 4 days is not unheard of, though if it's happening regularly then it's a problem. 2 games in 3 days, as far as I know, is always a problem. Regarding the screen shot, I don't see that much of a problem with someone coming at the goal from an angle taking a long shot. His other options are try to take the ball more centrally, in which case the defender to his left comes into play, or rush at the keeper making the angle of the goal even smaller and harder to hit. It's something you see in football quite often. 6 injuries is not excessive. That's about average for a team at any given time. Excessive is 10+, and even that happens regularly in real life. The number of injuries, on average, in FM have always been at a slightly lower level than what happens in real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'm getting Hernandez doing this, when they could run into the area and take a shot instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cainite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The clue is in the phrase "Exploit the middle" ok then once again if that particular button cause much less attacking options then why is it there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Yang Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 @balldoktor: I said 'can', I didn't say 'it'll take that long every time'. If you can provide sufficient data that yes this change does take up to or even more than 10 minutes in-game CONSISTENTLY, then you have a case to actually bring it up in the bugs forum as its a legitimate complaint. Without data, it just looks like hyperbole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 why the hell would he shoot from all the way up from there especially when i selected shoot less often? What else is he going to do with that ball? All the other players on his team are being marked. It's a poor offensive shape limiting the options for him to take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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