UF91 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 when negotiating contracts (renewal /new signing) why do players ask for some crazy appearance fee/sub fees? Playing as Man Utd, Rafael wanted a new contract and after negotiation I managed to get down to, app fee:31k, clean sheet: 25k, unused sub: 25k now van persie wants 43k for app +goal fee, plus 11 k sub fee, when under his original contract he is getting paid 15k app, 10k goal, 9k unused sub why do all players expect such a massive and unrealistic rise in their fees, surely only the very best players should be asking for such high fees? I was interested in signing holtby and even he wanted 30k appearance fee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UF91 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 gonna bump this as, it's getting ridiculous, de gea needs a new contract, went to offer one, he wants 105k/pw , 20 k app fee, 50k clean sheet bonus even welbeck wants 80k pw, 32k appearance fee, 30k goal bonus, 24k unused sub so basically all my players will be earning over 130k+ sure there is something wrong with this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I think it's a bit extreme too, especially if you compare it to what originally set in the db. I've noticed though that you can pretty much get it down to half if you give them a slightly higher salary and bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
borobadger Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 If you offer them a % of sell on fees they drop their demands a lot. So it's pretty much a bug to counter a bug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The issue is, that they introduced the unused sub bonus as 'some' clubs in England had such thing in place. However, now ALL players demand such bonus all of the time. Annoying. That's even more annoying as neither an appearance bonus, nor a unused sub bonus are common in Germany for example. In Germany bonuses at most clubs are paid per point won when appearing. I.e. no bonus unless you are fielded and winning points. The whole contracts system is based on the input of a small number of English clubs. No wonder many people feel SI didn't get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenkDeTank Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I agree, the bonuses are ridiculous - and considering they always want all of them, the new 'options' just mean we are paying players more money yet again. I think one of the issues is that the players or agents have an absolute minimum in mind - for example agent fee. The offer you make might be completely fine but you are below the agent fee minimum by €100. The agent will then bounce ALL the options and salary back up again, leaving you without a clue as to what the problem with your offer is. The agent or player should just say: look, I need this agent fee but the rest is fine. Rather than constantly negotiating about ALL of the bonuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadZone Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The whole contracts system is based on the input of a small number of English clubs. No wonder many people feel SI didn't get it right. Pretty much this, but in reality alot of the games features are based on the English game simply because that is what the developers will be mostly familiar with Sure it's gets better by each year, but still a way to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob4590 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 You do know you can 'lock' those two items as non-negotiable at a sensible level? Yes they will then ask for more salary - but at least the bonuses can be kept managable. (and in theory the total contract cost kept a bit lower) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenkDeTank Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 You do know you can 'lock' those two items as non-negotiable at a sensible level? Yes they will then ask for more salary - but at least the bonuses can be kept managable. (and in theory the total contract cost kept a bit lower) The problem with locking is that either the player gets angry because you tried to "back him into a corner" and stops negotiations completely, or they raise the non-locked demands by fairly incredible amounts, making it hardly worth the risk to lock anything unless you are very close already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UF91 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 You do know you can 'lock' those two items as non-negotiable at a sensible level? Yes they will then ask for more salary - but at least the bonuses can be kept managable. (and in theory the total contract cost kept a bit lower) really? how do you do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 really? how do you do that? Assuming you are serious, there is a small open padlock icon at each negotiable item. Clicking on that will lock it, meaning that this is flagged as non-negotiable for the further negotiations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UF91 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 ah cheers, will try it out when i get home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uğurcan Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I am trying to sign Pjanic from roma, he is requesting around 60k salary + 18k appearance fee (which is almost 1/3 of his salary). This is a really annoying issue if you are trying to make ends meet with an above average team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N^G Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I keep ending up just having to sell and release players like a madman because of massively inflated contract demands, its a bit silly really. I also get a ridiculous number of players refusing to move due to wages being offered, so I suspect it impacts the AI as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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