markyosullivan Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Opening post is brilliant, glad to see a 12 step guide for FM14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenc Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 To put it bluntly: According to the way the game is made, Barcelona and Arsenal play defensive? No. The way strategies are set up however it means in more aggressive ones players will look to get the ball forward and score, hence there will be less recycling deep. That is why in the OP it is suggested to pick a less aggressive one if you want to have lots of ball retention rather than pushing forward. I agree it can be a bit counter-intuitive, but would you really consider Barcelona/Spain recycling the ball without constantly aggressively penetrating the final third to be risky and "attacking" in nature? It takes skill, certainly, but it's hardly pushing riskily forward and going for the throat kind of stuff - there's a reason why in particular spectators used to the weekly end to end stuff in the Premier League frequently express their dislike of "Tiki-Taka". Similarily though, going counter or defensive doesn't equal "short passing". It equals whatever you're encouraging the key passing to be like. By default there will be a lot of ball retention, but only when there isn't any risk. Defending players on default are encouraged to clear the lines, as you can read in the in-game text. There are tweaks for passing style still (the same goes for any strategy). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Love this thread. I've always used a lot of specialist roles in combination with a fluid or very fluid fluidity, without realising they completely contradict each other. Will try to fix that this evening when I get home (looking forward to it already!). Also interesting to read that in order to play a short passing game, you're better off playing less offensive. To put it bluntly: According to the way the game is made, Barcelona and Arsenal play defensive?Later today I will go looking for some tips about how to make my fullbacks perform. Despite getting decent results in most games, ALL my fullbacks have a form of 6.5 or there about, while the rest of the squad has a form of above 7. Oh and will add an Attack duty to my defence! Yes, I've adapted my tactics in the same way. However, the fullbacks'poor ratings is a bug that SI are working flat-out to fix for the next update. Must admit, I was b*ll*cking and dropping my FBs every game until I realised they're not at fault! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Hi wwfan... I have an issue with fm14... I am using classical 4-3-3 (Holland 74 ) style with Milan team. very fluid tactics,attacking, high def line and so on.The problem is that my front line forwards didn't come deep when my team in possesion. So only full backs and central midfilders pass ball around. I used all possible roles(from pochers to deep-lyinf forwards).They just running into opposition penalty area and waiting to ball in static positions. So they are easy marked and no any adequate attacking move have been done. I could think that problem is in players class, but El Sharawwy and Balotelli?????This is very annoying...Help me with advice...Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJK19 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Made up finding this thread, at least I know I'm not the only one finding FM 14 challenging. wwfan has come up with some great opinions some of which I'm going to try out before i bin the game. Apart from not winning many games my main frustration is set pieces which I concede far too many. I have used default/edited set piece tactics to no avail. Big tall powerful defenders didnt work, better marking/jumping defenders hasnt worked. In one of my first saves I actually quit just after xmas bottom of the league with 19 points only to see my team (southport) go on a great run to escape relegation without me. :confused: Anyway, not gonna give up and posts like these do help. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianscousemac Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Excellent guide this really helped my game on FM 13 and achieve numerous trophies with the mighty toffees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 Hi wwfan...I have an issue with fm14... I am using classical 4-3-3 (Holland 74 ) style with Milan team. very fluid tactics,attacking, high def line and so on.The problem is that my front line forwards didn't come deep when my team in possesion. So only full backs and central midfilders pass ball around. I used all possible roles(from pochers to deep-lyinf forwards).They just running into opposition penalty area and waiting to ball in static positions. So they are easy marked and no any adequate attacking move have been done. I could think that problem is in players class, but El Sharawwy and Balotelli?????This is very annoying...Help me with advice...Thanks I'd need more info than you've provided to help. I suggest you start a thread with a detailed post in the tactics forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbricandy Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Dude, interesting you say that. I used a new-ish tactic in one match and I forgot to add team instructions or change the fluidity of mentality and we got our first clean sheet in 13 games! Seems standard and balanced without instructions can work great! I guess if you're not exactly sure what your instructions will do they can be way more harm than good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zizunola Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Greetings guys. i want to know the best suty to give a combination of a deep lying playmaker and a box to box midfielder. the midfielders i have currently in my team are BBM & DLP mostly so i made a tactic to accomodate them. well a BBM is support automatically. but i wanna know if its better to have my DLP on support or defend. the best roles for my DLPs are support according to reports. i have Thiago & Verratti. the reason for this is i find that during matches opposition get this odd through through these 2 and then mostly a goal comes in. i have my DLP on support duty currently. i dunno if i should make it defend rather and wont that limit maybe their qualities? I play a 4-2-2-2 with a winger and an AP(wide) with a target man & poacher. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 zizunola - this exceptional thread will help you out: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/375632-Pairs-amp-Combinations-The-Complete-Series Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowsboy1@hotmail.com Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 hi in my game I am playing as Chelsea and I take charge of the team in friendlies but when it comes to league comes I cant take control of the team its like the assistant manger is taking over or its on auto please help thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gishi Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I don't understand your logic regarding your point 1. If very fluid means players contribute both offensively and defensively, I would think that mentality fins better for some of the roles you have listed as specialist roles and worse for some of your generic roles. E.g. a specialist false nine, who's role involves dropping into the hole between opponent's defense and midfield, is better positioned to take part in defensive and creative duties than a generic advanced forward. Likewise, a specialist libero is expected to take part in the creative, offensive play, whereas a generic sweeper is supposed to focus on the defensive game. I like the idea of some roles being more fitting for fluid football while others are more fitting for rigid football, but it seems to me, based on my understanding and logic, not by experience trying it out in the game, that you have mixed up the role - mentality fit quite a bit. With respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Holy thread Necro. And WWFan iirc was/is involved with creating the tactics module in FM. You can take what he says as fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gishi Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I would rather list the roles as rigid, balanced or fluid, in the following way: Rigid: Goalkeeper defend Limited defender Sweeper Full back (defend) Limited full back Anchor man Half back Ball winning midfielder (DM defend) Trequartista (AMC) Enganche Ramdeuter Poacher Advanced forward Fluid: Sweeper keeper Libero Ball playing defender Roaming playmaker Wing back Complete wing back Regista Defensive winger(?) Defensive forward Some are hard to place. Those not listed (and probably some of the listed) are somewhere in between the extremes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gishi Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hehe, I guess it was quite the necro, but I hope and think that this stuff is still relevant for FM today. Interesting to hear that he is involved in creating the game, and that his in my opinion counter intuitive information can be seen as factual. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 There's a current thread in the tactics forum, stickied in fact. Worth discussing in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kplex Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I don't understand your logic regarding your point 1. If very fluid means players contribute both offensively and defensively, I would think that mentality fins better for some of the roles you have listed as specialist roles and worse for some of your generic roles. E.g. a specialist false nine, who's role involves dropping into the hole between opponent's defense and midfield, is better positioned to take part in defensive and creative duties than a generic advanced forward. Likewise, a specialist libero is expected to take part in the creative, offensive play, whereas a generic sweeper is supposed to focus on the defensive game. I like this Best Diet Pills review a lot for being more fitting for fluid football while others are more fitting for rigid football, but it seems to me, based on my understanding and logic, not by experience trying it out in the game, that you have mixed up the role - mentality fit quite a bit. With respect. Great guide. How many of you here are still playing this? I'm only just getting into it now. Always late to the party lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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