RTHerringbone Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 How is the defending? I'm at work so I can't test it until 6 hours from now This update will make no impact on the defending. In ME terms it just addressed issues with player ratings and the FMC Match Plans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 First game: 57 shots. That's a five followed by a seven. Thats because nothing was changed in that respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 How is the defending? I'm at work so I can't test it until 6 hours from now All that's changed ME wise is the defender's match ratings. Officially anyway. I haven't seen anything else different in that regard yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I'm repeating the game with the same and different tactics (already familiarized team) to see what the outcome is. Reloads aren't necessarily going to be conclusive. See if the same shot count is occurring throughout a number of consecutive games. If it is, please upload a save game to the ME section of the Bugs Forum. 57 is clearly a severely high number and isn't right, but bear in mind that the update we have just received has not addressed issues relating to shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkstatto Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 The problem is your custom graphics... move the graphics folder or rename it and try again... once you've installed the skins etc, move the graphics folder back. When you've got 7GB of customs graphics built up over 4-5 years, its not that simple in time terms to move graphics round as you suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veez Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Sorry, but we'll just need to agree to disagree on this. If you have a solid, logical tactic, and have the players to implement it, train them well, be patient with it (and have some good luck with injuries, etc), then you should have success no matter what build of the ME you're playing with. lol so are you saying you can play a high pressing short passing, posession based game with this ME? Coz thats the football i like to play, and the sort of football i was playing with great success until three days ago. now the exact same concept than won me a championship, a cup and a great run in the league and europe in my second season has ceased to work. how do you explain that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 And there is a very good chance that you will be more successful in your dribbling against said corpses than you would against Patrice Evra. How succesful you are OVERALL depends on the quality of opposition, that is simple basic understanding of football. I'm telling you rather than him because you know better... Please keep it on topic.. if you want to discuss life/love/football philosophies and the basics of football.. do so in the relevant threads please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 When you've got 7GB of customs graphics built up over 4-5 years, its not that simple in time terms to move graphics round as you suggest. I believe it should be a straight "Cut and Paste" into the relevant section of the My Documents folder structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 When you've got 7GB of customs graphics built up over 4-5 years, its not that simple in time terms to move graphics round as you suggest. That's where the renaming part of my post comes in.... just rename it to GraphicsBACKUP or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 lol so are you saying you can play a high pressing short passing, posession based game with this ME? Coz thats the football i like to play, and the sort of football i was playing with great success until three days ago. now the exact same concept than won me a championship, a cup and a great run in the league and europe in my second season has ceased to work. how do you explain that? Thats exactly how im set up, high pressing, short passing, retain posession, high defensive line, low tempo, counter attack mentality, works brilliantly when my team is on form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babak G Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 We've just released a small update to make the game version 14.1.3, details can be found here - http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/369850-Football-Manager-2014-Update-14.1.3-OUT-NOW?p=9153120#post9153120Thanks. The Paul Robinson bit must be a joke? Haha. Rovers keeper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 New patch/fix already!? This is very good news! Now I don't have to depth-analyse a Demo match second by second like I have promised to do twice Because I won't buy the game until it is well balanced - probably get it for Christmas holidays. Also good for work and health Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted November 1, 2013 Administrators Share Posted November 1, 2013 Still doesn't work, just processes and waits. Also the game is dog slow. already done that in game and out game. Still crashing. Same here. Cleared cache to no effect. On 14.1.3 When you've got 7GB of customs graphics built up over 4-5 years, its not that simple in time terms to move graphics round as you suggest. Can you post here please if you're having workshop issues so I can figure out why this is happening: http://community.sigames.com/forumdisplay.php/363-Cloud-Saving-and-Steam-Workshop-(All-Formats) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veez Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Thats exactly how im set up, high pressing, short passing, retain posession, high defensive line, low tempo, counter attack mentality, works brilliantly when my team is on form. does your defence close down and tackle? no matter how high i play, mine just track back and do no tackling at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 The problem is your custom graphics... move the graphics folder or rename it and try again... once you've installed the skins etc, move the graphics folder back. And it has worked, Thanks for the Help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Thats exactly how im set up, high pressing, short passing, retain posession, high defensive line, low tempo, counter attack mentality, works brilliantly when my team is on form. I am struggling to get any sort of intensity with a pressing game. High line is also not very high at all. In the end they all fall back into tight lines just outside the box. What level are you playing at? Maybe that is the difference... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I just noticed I can play under 17's in the Bundesliga, despite the rule stating this isn't allowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 does your defence close down and tackle? no matter how high i play, mine just track back and do no tackling at all Not perfectly in anyway, but they do as well as the ME can represent, certainly to a good enough level for me to enjoy the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SussexRob Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 My last post was a whinge about the issues with the release version of the ME. So now this is me, scuttling backwards with my tail between my legs. Granted, there were some issues in the last version; granted, my team went from mid-table scrappers to under-9 schoolboys overnight. But then I read wwfan's superb 12-step guide, tried to understand the concepts he explains, made some tweaks - and hey presto, the team's playing properly, and the ME feels responsive to what I'm trying to do. One suggestion for the future - perhaps more in-depth tool tips that you could click through to, with the level of background explanation that wwfan gives on the forum? Have played CM/FM for close on 15 years, but hadon't really understood the new tactical model until reading that. But for now - whinge withdrawn, with huge credit to SI for addressing this week's issues so quickly. And for producing what must be the best version of FM yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
borobadger Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I haven't seen one of my defenders play well yet, every game I have at least 2 defenders under a 5 rating, and the rest struggle to get above a 6 rating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgik Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 All that's changed ME wise is the defender's match ratings. Officially anyway. I haven't seen anything else different in that regard yet. There are not such low ratings as in previous version but i still get defenders getting a 5.0 even though i conceded 1 goal. The rating system for defs still seems haotic. I'll play more games to be sure that it isnt my tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOfSuspense Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Game not worth playing until someone releases a graphics pack for competition logos and team badges - game looks half finished as it is ... or is that something else we have to pay extra for? FM13 graphics worked with the beta but not full game And the new update still doesn't load custom player databases Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I just noticed I can play under 17's in the Bundesliga, despite the rule stating this isn't allowed. Friendlies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I am struggling to get any sort of intensity with a pressing game. High line is also not very high at all. In the end they all fall back into tight lines just outside the box. What level are you playing at? Maybe that is the difference... I have it set to high defense line mostly, very high if im pushing or up against a poorer team, press more, i also have it on tighter marking, or man marking, whatever its called. The counter attacking mentality with the low tempo seems to work really well, my team will gather behind the ball and my lightening wingers break very quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Game not worth playing until someone releases a graphics pack for competition logos and team badges - game looks half finished as it is... or is that something else we have to pay extra for? FM13 graphics worked with the beta but not full game And the new update still doesn't load custom player databases Fm13 graphics work fine for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I just noticed I can play under 17's in the Bundesliga, despite the rule stating this isn't allowed. Please post a thread about this here: http://community.sigames.com/forumdisplay.php/346-League-Specific-Issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick050183 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Thank you for your replies regarding defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Os Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 In all fairness it has been very civil this year, I see a lot of the 'vets' helping out other players and trying to calm any of the newer members that get a little heated.I remember reading a post quite similar to this last year, it actually may have been from you also Paul, last year was bad but I would say that this thread on the whole as been very constructive and for the most part understanding and polite. Definitely, last year was a slugfest compared to this year. Which is positive if nothing else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Quite an annoying thing going on now. 1 game ago we were getting beat 4-2, my assistant gave me some recommendations which I applied, anyway we lost 4-2. On to the next match and my team are playing really strange, they are shooting from outside the box and floating crosses, both which I do not have, I have drill crosses and play the ball into the box, or at least I thought I did. I check my tactics and it has been all changed, nothing like I want it, it seems the game has remembered my tactics from the end of the last game and not the starting tactic that I want. I never had this before, will check at the end of this game if it happens again, hopefully not as it is a bit annoying to set up the starting tactic each time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Game not worth playing until someone releases a graphics pack for competition logos and team badges - game looks half finished as it is... or is that something else we have to pay extra for? FM13 graphics worked with the beta but not full game And the new update still doesn't load custom player databases We can't include as many graphics as we'd like due to licensing issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Not perfectly in anyway, but they do as well as the ME can represent, certainly to a good enough level for me to enjoy the game. This is how I view it too. People need to realise the 3D match display is never going to accurately replicate a real life game of football. After all, it's 22 small pixellated stick men running around a pitch. With that comes its own limitations. Given those limitations, however, I think it does a generally fabulous job, particularly in the last two editions of the game. I can't watch the FM12 ME now as it's THAT dated already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOfSuspense Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Fm13 graphics work fine for me Try replacing the comp logos Sky bet ones worked fine - Skrill ones don't ... and I'm not a mug when it comes to adding and replacing these files and editing the config file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Bum Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I haven't seen one of my defenders play well yet, every game I have at least 2 defenders under a 5 rating, and the rest struggle to get above a 6 rating In my first match with the new update i won 3-2 and none of my four defenders played below 6.8 and i had 2 play 7.5(one being my left back). Promising start regarding defender ratings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Friendlies? Nope, just played against Werder Bremen in the league and played a 16 year old. Oddly he wasn't allowed to play in the Super Cup final but was allowed in the German Cup and League. I'll report it in the bug forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfi Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 The engine is a football manager in 2014, 2013, and 2012 Dear SI, please forgive me for the poor English. Russian community FM, very distressed. A huge number of people, according to 12 FM, best in the series. There was a great game engine. Please ask you to tweak the game engine 14 manager. Ball physics, the impact on the outcome of the match tactics. Protection behavior, unrealistic number of hits and misses on goal. We believe that you fix these problems. We kindly ask you to remember the 12 part of your wonderful game. Where everything worked correctly. In the beta version manager 14 14.0.4. All was well. But then came the full version. Much worse, similar to the early 13 manager.Thank you so much for your attention, I ask people who have something to say to this topic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Nope, just played against Werder Bremen in the league and played a 16 year old. Oddly he wasn't allowed to play in the Super Cup final but was allowed in the German Cup and League. I'll report it in the bug forum. Please do.. much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Maybe it's in my head, but why do I feel everytime an update happens my team transgress to 'pre-season' mentality mode? Anyway, first game, full backs on 4-5 same as before, BUT, I recognise it's just one game, so I'll play on a bit. Ratings aside I'm not entirely sure the defending is solved though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 What are the scores like now in the lower leagues especially? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Ratings aside I'm not entirely sure the defending is solved though. There are no ME tweaks in this update which affect what you see on the pitch. As far as ratings go, it is merely the calculation logic behind those ratings that has changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 The engine is a football manager in 2014, 2013, and 2012Dear SI, please forgive me for the poor English. Russian community FM, very distressed. A huge number of people, according to 12 FM, best in the series. There was a great game engine. Please ask you to tweak the game engine 14 manager. Ball physics, the impact on the outcome of the match tactics. Protection behavior, unrealistic number of hits and misses on goal. We believe that you fix these problems. We kindly ask you to remember the 12 part of your wonderful game. Where everything worked correctly. In the beta version manager 14 14.0.4. All was well. But then came the full version. Much worse, similar to the early 13 manager.Thank you so much for your attention, I ask people who have something to say to this topic It'll never happen, though I do love FM 12's engine and despise 13's. >_> I think 14's wasn't that bad, I quite liked the beta engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Just played a game where my team won 3-0, and my left back, who struggled to ever get a '7' regardless of how well he played, has just got an 8.5 rating. He got an assist, mind, but even still, that's much more like it. Great update, well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka_zg Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Can someone please explain to me how to reinstall the game so the next time I open it it would be completely freshly installed. The game seems to remember my profile and preferences even if reinstalled. I manually deleted SI folder in my documents and deleted local contet via steam but it still remembers it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerhgrrrrrr Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I would say that in terms of the ME the ratings issue deserves a quick update, but the other stuff which is more subjective will take a little more time. But in general I'd like to think when we have an improved ME build that has had sufficient testing we roll it out. More often than not that will coincide with planned game updates but that isn't 100% set in stone. Apologies for bringing it up again but I am assuming the Instant Result Ass Man subbing issue is not one of the "subjective" issues and will be addressed in line with the "priority" issue (ratings). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 What are the scores like now in the lower leagues especially? Nothing has changed in that respect.. no updates that would affect it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 There are no ME tweaks in this update which affect what you see on the pitch.As far as ratings go, it is merely the calculation logic behind those ratings that has changed. I gathered that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Apologies for bringing it up again but I am assuming the Instant Result Ass Man subbing issue is not one of the "subjective" issues and will be addressed in line with the "priority" issue (ratings). Check the update thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgik Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Can someone please explain to me how to reinstall the game so the next time I open it it would be completely freshly installed. The game seems to remember my profile and preferences even if reinstalled. I manually deleted SI folder in my documents and deleted local contet via steam but it still remembers it. Probably missing this: http://www.footballmanager.com/faq/?game=38&id=218 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullybeef Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Not seeing the Demo being updated via Steam yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Apologies for bringing it up again but I am assuming the Instant Result Ass Man subbing issue is not one of the "subjective" issues and will be addressed in line with the "priority" issue (ratings). Should be fixed - check out the second item on the Match Engine change list: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/369850-Football-Manager-2014-Update-14.1.3-OUT-NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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