Mr U Rosler Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 That's always nice. 1-0 up, then give way 2 penalties in 3 minutes...... 88th & 91st minute. Ok. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Walds Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Just noticed how good this tactic is in home games - it's amazing. I've won every single home Skrill North game since the end of August, and I'm now in mid-March. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzington Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Finished 2nd in L2 with Chesterfield 3 points behind Hartlepool. Used your guides to sign some specialist players and am currently 6 points clear top of league 1 mid November and in quarter finals of both Capital One and Johnstones Cup. PS. Fmrte came out today and all this with a very mediocre team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 Ok, 2nd season in Prem. Finished 5th, well behind the team in 4th so Champs League was never really on. But well happy with Euro Cup. Chance to boost my rep which I need. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Note the slow start. Uploaded with ImageShack.us F9, ok but not great. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Poacher, pretty poor Uploaded with ImageShack.us Both of them sneaked in a 'match highest earner' clause into their contract with out me noticing, when i signed a monster keeper they got massive pay rises. i might have to get rid of them both. however, my new Advanced playmaker has been awesome. 13 League goals from central midfield. Weirdly no assists, even though I saw him create several goals. Uploaded with ImageShack.us So a season which exceeded my expectations. I need 2 strikers, 2 fullbacks and 2 box to box midfielders. All improving on what i've got. But after recruiting I'm gonna hang on for the new update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lam Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Mr R.... I'm curious about a few things. Why do you feel this tactic is successful? What about it makes it work? Is it the tight man marking on the defensive players (which I understand equates to man marking), is it the rather tight formation? Also, with short passing on the majority of players I'm wondering why you do not simply choose short passing as a team instruction and then set direct passing to fewer players? I'm not using this tactic but I am looking around for ideas and I kinda like the BBM's that you have utilized. I'm using something similar in a narrow 442 with Spurs. Regards LAM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulpunktastic Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'd taken Luton from the Conference to League 1 in 2 seasons using this tactic. Amended to include 'pass into space' in season 3 and nearly got relegated. Could barely attract any players and struggled. But in season 4 reputation has clearly improved as I can now bring in better players and bigger clubs are sniffing around me when jobs come up. Was even invited to an interview on one. I guess Fm14 just relies on better scouting rather than making it obvious players are available to sign. Removed 'pass into space' and romping away at the top of L1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Mr R....I'm curious about a few things. Why do you feel this tactic is successful? What about it makes it work? Is it the tight man marking on the defensive players (which I understand equates to man marking), is it the rather tight formation? Also, with short passing on the majority of players I'm wondering why you do not simply choose short passing as a team instruction and then set direct passing to fewer players? I'm not using this tactic but I am looking around for ideas and I kinda like the BBM's that you have utilized. I'm using something similar in a narrow 442 with Spurs. Regards LAM Hi there, Short passing is on the team instructions. I added it to the player instructions to re-enforce the point. Basically, i find it easier to build tactics around slow & short. I like to add a more direct element as well, last year it was 'long' goal kicks, this year 'pass into space' has been working although some are doing well without it. Defending is Zonal by default, tight marking is this versions equivalent of man marking which I much prefer. Then you have 2 up top, any combo of deep/advanced striker should work but I like the f9/poacher approach as they are almost polar opposits in there approach. Hope this helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickizzard123 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 just started a Yeovil season and going to use this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamillePunk Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Halfway through my first MLS season as Houston and dominating with this tactic. I've only lost one match and it was very early on, before my side was familiar with the tactic. Thanks for all your hard work devising, testing, and explaining everything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Halfway through my first MLS season as Houston and dominating with this tactic. I've only lost one match and it was very early on, before my side was familiar with the tactic. Thanks for all your hard work devising, testing, and explaining everything! No problemo, enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickizzard123 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 tried uploading screenshots but couldn't, but after 11 games im 2nd with Yeovil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devil162 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 For me this tactic is very bad. 11 games 4 wins 4 draws 3 loses. 11 place in Serie A with Inter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleynasdad Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 tried uploading screenshots but couldn't, but after 11 games im 2nd with Yeovil Me too... can anyone help us out here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossinho Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This game is kind of annoying at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Me too... can anyone help us out here? get image shack account (free) Take screen shot, steam one will do. or Alt f9 i think. Go to imageshack, media upload, browse, find image, press upload, continue to link, copy & paste forum link. Done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 WTF!!! Check this out http://i.imgur.com/nNWk8pj.png Someone played their Centre Back as a poacher and he got 32 goals in 33 appearances, 5 assists, 11 MOM. WTF!!! (12 in 12 in Euro Cup!) This guy has 0% positional ability for a striker role, what a complete joke. I'm not sure what this tells us about the ME but it cant be good. From main feedback thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Walds Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Season 1 complete... Skrill North champions! Won it on the penultimate game of the season. I now have a summer of rebuilding, as none of my contracted players wish to renegotiate a new deal. Gives me a chance to sign the right players for the system, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Season 1 complete... Skrill North champions! Won it on the penultimate game of the season.I now have a summer of rebuilding, as none of my contracted players wish to renegotiate a new deal. Gives me a chance to sign the right players for the system, though. Nice one. Rebuilding following promotion from skrill south/north is a nightmare. You reputation will improve slightly in the last week in June (for some reason), but it will still be very low. You are unlikely to be able to be even remotely choosy. Good luck though, the step in class from skrill north to prem is not that much, other than a couple of teams. I found the jump from Skrill Prem to League 2 much bigger......but there are 3 auto promotions spots in league 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 WTF!!!Check this out http://i.imgur.com/nNWk8pj.png Someone played their Centre Back as a poacher and he got 32 goals in 33 appearances, 5 assists, 11 MOM. WTF!!! (12 in 12 in Euro Cup!) This guy has 0% positional ability for a striker role, what a complete joke. I'm not sure what this tells us about the ME but it cant be good. From main feedback thread. To be fair, the dude is quite quick and has acceptable finishing and composure stats. If anything I think that just says how arbitrary the 'best positions' are. I'll feel less bad about playing people out of position now, as it obviously doesn't matter too much. It is kind of realistic, I think. If you can kick a ball in defense, you can kick a ball in attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 To be fair, the dude is quite quick and has acceptable finishing and composure stats. If anything I think that just says how arbitrary the 'best positions' are. I'll feel less bad about playing people out of position now, as it obviously doesn't matter too much. It is kind of realistic, I think. If you can kick a ball in defense, you can kick a ball in attack. It does reinforce my points about recruiting players based on key attributes rather than star ratings for position. Even so, I really dont think that should be happening to that extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleynasdad Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Thanks...will try it out later. get image shack account (free)Take screen shot, steam one will do. or Alt f9 i think. Go to imageshack, media upload, browse, find image, press upload, continue to link, copy & paste forum link. Done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleynasdad Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 WTF!!!Check this out http://i.imgur.com/nNWk8pj.png Someone played their Centre Back as a poacher and he got 32 goals in 33 appearances, 5 assists, 11 MOM. WTF!!! (12 in 12 in Euro Cup!) This guy has 0% positional ability for a striker role, what a complete joke. I'm not sure what this tells us about the ME but it cant be good. From main feedback thread. Oh I dont know.... Serbian league for one (although the continental stats are frightening too) and maybe its all headers(???)... wonder what the tactic is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickizzard123 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 finished 3rd with Yeovil in my first season, which is some achievement as there predicted 24th it is really important you get the players rosler recommends stats wise.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mull Jag Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Been using this tactic for the last 2 and 1/2 seasons with Partick Thistle in the Scottish Premier.Mixed results and a lot of frustration half season pushed into the top half of the league with some decent results 1st full season finish 3rd getting into europe and 2 cup semis 2nd full season finished 6th , runner up in the league cup and got out of the europa league groups to be trounced by shaktar The Tactic seems to concede a lot of goals on the last 5 mins and wonderstrikes from centre backs who couldnt hit a white cow on a black background with a banjo!! Could be my team is poor, only £25kpw for wages and no transfer budget and a lot of young high potential guys. I will stick with it for another season to give it a fair test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immite Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Just completed 2nd season with Stockport after gaining promotion to Skrill premier through playoffs, finished mid table, some good results some bad. Board still happy with me. Will give it another season with Stockport and see how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich2086 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Good tactic but after playing for over 3 seasons iv come to the conclusion they game shouldnt be played until the next patch to many bugs and things wrong with the ME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 My 'save' is on hold at the moment. But I am working on reproducing the tactic in a variant with only 1 striker just in case SI do not 'fix' the problems with strikers finishing. There seems to be a reluctance from them to even recognise that there is a problem. Like I said....... just in case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin1337 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 great tactic so far for me, lost only 2 games with atletico madrid, my only problem is, my strikers cant hit **** :< Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesh2k Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 weird season, won the title, but had a middle of season meltdown but much more solid tactic this year, i think its because i finally replaced all the players i got before i started taking the stats into account. now onto league 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesh2k Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 btw what stats do you go for in your keepers - handling, positioning, command of area, reflexes, any others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 btw what stats do you go for in your keepers - handling, positioning, command of area, reflexes, any others? Yeah, keep an eye on distribution, throwing/kicking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 great tactic so far for me, lost only 2 games with atletico madrid, my only problem is, my strikers cant hit **** :< Likewise and its starting to wind me up. Will review after ME update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipoli Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Just so you know, I am trying it with Flamengo (media prediction 11th) and will give some feedback as soon as possible. However, I don't have much time and will take a while before I generate enough volume to consolidate a proper result. However, I am very intrigued by the scoreless strikers issue, which is probably a ME issue, but it still is a challenge to try to overcome. Have you considered changing the F9 for a 3rd DC and unleash the FBs, maybe even converting them into WBs? I know they already are offensive as it is, but it could be even more. Anyway, just brainstorming here, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Just so you know, I am trying it with Flamengo (media prediction 11th) and will give some feedback as soon as possible. However, I don't have much time and will take a while before I generate enough volume to consolidate a proper result.However, I am very intrigued by the scoreless strikers issue, which is probably a ME issue, but it still is a challenge to try to overcome. Have you considered changing the F9 for a 3rd DC and unleash the FBs, maybe even converting them into WBs? I know they already are offensive as it is, but it could be even more. Anyway, just brainstorming here, again. Any help on getting the strikers scoring would be much appreciated. Although I now believe its has been confirmed strikers shot selection/decision making is being improved for the update. I've tried every combination of striker roles and partnerships and nothing make any difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Going to wingbacks, 1 upfront, and 3 CB is about the only thing i've not tried....... i'm gonna have to try it now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 I think the problem with playing with 1 upfront is that they get far too isolated (even with lots of runners from midfield) unless you are utilising AMR/AML left which is not what this tactic is about. I'm getting about 14/15 GOALS from 38 League games from both my poacher & f9 at the moment. If after they release the update it moves to 18/19 ( a goal every other game) I will be happy with that together with all the goals we get out of our midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trents Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I think 3 CB with wingbacks is the best setup defensively at the mo. You can only really leave 1 up top with that though to avoid a big space in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipoli Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I think the problem with playing with 1 upfront is that they get far too isolated (even with lots of runners from midfield) unless you are utilising AMR/AML left which is not what this tactic is about.I'm getting about 14/15 GOALS from 38 League games from both my poacher & f9 at the moment. If after they release the update it moves to 18/19 ( a goal every other game) I will be happy with that together with all the goals we get out of our midfield. After using Fulcrum in 4-5 matches, I noticed that the AP enters the area all the time and the B2Bs are always surronding the area very closely. The FBs, as it is, are already approaching the area a lot. So, I believe that isolation of the poacher will not be an issue. Of course, removing the F9 could break the whole dynamic and the current proximity will not be seen, but let's see how your test goes. Looking forward to that. Currently, the F9 at least 'pull' some markers', which is an important role, even if he does not score much. Also, it is nice to hear you have a better balance of goals between Poacher/F9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 After using Fulcrum in 4-5 matches, I noticed that the AP enters the area all the time and the B2Bs are always surronding the area very closely. The FBs, as it is, are already approaching the area a lot. So, I believe that isolation of the poacher will not be an issue. Of course, removing the F9 could break the whole dynamic and the current proximity will not be seen, but let's see how your test goes. Looking forward to that. Currently, the F9 at least 'pull' some markers', which is an important role, even if he does not score much.Also, it is nice to hear you have a better balance of goals between Poacher/F9. My experiment with 1 upfront hasn't worked out. The lone striker was definatley too isolated. much less goals/chances. Need amr/aml to make it work in my opinion, i dont want to go down that route. Llama3 has done some nice work on strike partnerships, I have asked him if he thinks there is a better combination of striker roles than poacher/f9 for this tactic, interested to see what he comes back with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubby Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Anyone have any idea when the update is due - seems to me SI hasn't accepted the problems the rest of us can see as plain as day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 No one is telling. I'm gagging to continue my save but not in current version of ME. I do trust SI to get it right. Hopefully soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyBobby Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 WTF!!!Check this out http://i.imgur.com/nNWk8pj.png Someone played their Centre Back as a poacher and he got 32 goals in 33 appearances, 5 assists, 11 MOM. WTF!!! (12 in 12 in Euro Cup!) This guy has 0% positional ability for a striker role, what a complete joke. I'm not sure what this tells us about the ME but it cant be good. From main feedback thread. Looks like a Chris Sutton / Paul Warhurst situation to me! I went through a wobbly period around Christmas but recovered to win the league and cup double with AZ in Holland in my first season. This certainly seems like a great FM14 tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 It seems to me the Poacher role is flawed at the moment. I've been watching his ratings, he starts every game at around 6.8 and this gradually gets lower to the point where its 5.9 by half time UNLESS HE SCORES. The False 9 doesn't behave like this, often 6.9 or 7 at half time even if no goals or assists. This is what i think is going on. The false 9 sits deeper and is involved in the play, lots of passes, headers and some tackles so his rating remains stable even when he doesn't assist or score. The poacher is isolated doesn't get many touches and is not really involved in the build up play, so his rating drops, then he finally gets that CHANCE TO SCORE, he has rating of 5.9, the ME thinks he's having a 'bad game' and he is unable to finish the chance. That's why when the poacher scores early and his rating is sat at 8 all game he often goes on to score 2 or 3 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 Finally getting somewhere with my front two. With this set up. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Shadow Striker & Defensive Forward (support) combo. Both of them close down when out of possession, means when we win back the ball our strikers are a bit deeper, but doesn't really matter as we take our time building attacks anyway. Shadow Striker makes lots of runs from AMC position and is difficult to pick up, Defensive Forward behaves like any support striker when in possession which is what we want. Both have been scoring and linking play very well. Still early in the test but looking really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjh123456 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Just popped in to say thanks for the tactic, working ok so far in Skrill south /premier, Have same problems with poacher though Definitely works better without pass into space (maybe due to lower quality players, will try again if I ever get some decent ones) Thanks for all your hard work, its a great base to build from, Cheers ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleynasdad Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Finally getting somewhere with my front two.With this set up. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Shadow Striker & Defensive Forward (support) combo. Both of them close down when out of possession, means when we win back the ball our strikers are a bit deeper, but doesn't really matter as we take our time building attacks anyway. Shadow Striker makes lots of runs from AMC position and is difficult to pick up, Defensive Forward behaves like any support striker when in possession which is what we want. Both have been scoring and linking play very well. Still early in the test but looking really good. I was going to suggest this..... Llama makes the same reccomendation in his thread on striking partnerships. Im not going to mess up my Whitehawk team until we're promoted but going to go with this next season as I suspect the poacher just doesn't do enough...... except score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoalieManPat121 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Anyone tried a testing an advanced forward instead of the poacher? I've found my poacher is quite useless most matches and very low rated. Now that could also be that I don't have the best poacher. Hes not bad but not that great. My F9 is quite a bit better in his role but I'm thinking the advanced forward should be a good option with the current match engine. Plays high like the poacher but gets into the game more with some passing which should help a little in possession and creating chances. Might give it a shot when I get into my save today. I just hope a ME update comes out soon. I really want the poacher and forwards in general to work correctly. I did get my poacher last season to score 24 in 30. I think that was more due to him being a loanee who was a lot better than Skill South opposition than it was the ME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee50_11 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Love this tactic Mr U Rosler! Any tips on conceding less though lol, anyway keep it updated with all your great changes and for the new ME when the update arrives. I appreciate it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 Thanks for the feedback. Really looking forward to the update. I hope its today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Also finding it very effective - nice work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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