Kriss Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Worth chewing over imo, I discovered a year or two back how many copies of a certain product were downloaded and it was certainly popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I say yes because I can use it for research purposes then and track hidden attributes of players when I'm doing training related stuff. Then I could make pretty graphs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnyfooty Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Well, it's no secret that a big amount of people use it, so might as well have a reliable one with 100% coherence with a save file and no chance of file corruption. In theory it seems like a win win situation. (except for that "certain product" which will lose its popularity.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I think they should if it can be more stable than the other editors that are out there. I don't use them any more but I have no problem with people that do so I think it'd be a bonus to many people if there was a stable decent SI made real time editor out there. In my opinion it'd need something that stops it being used in online games or informs the other players that a user has used it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltablue Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 While I wouldn't use it, they might as well since it's better to have an official one, as opposed to a 'hypothetical' third party one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underwater sunlight Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I'd rather pay SI a couple of quid a year for an official one than pay a 3rd party developer for an unofficial one. Ideal world I'd prefer it to be free but I can't see much problem with adding it as DLC for a quid or 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
looknohands Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Yes, SI should release their own RTE. I can't play FM (I exclusively play in MLS) without the ability to edit players made available for the draft (a two hour process at the end of each season!) as the game still hasn't figured out how to make newgens into viable players, by and large. Even a lower PA player should be able to serve a specific role on a club, but I'd venture that at least 75% of the 130 or so players each year are completely worthless to an MLS team, even as back-ups/reserve players. It's also a great deal of fun to check back in with players that you've sold a few years prior to see what their potential truly was, and whether or not you missed out on a potential star. Oh, and that says nothing of the fact that an RTE also allows you fix bugs/errors that somehow slipped through the cracks, such as when my club was having to pay a yearly fee to their own youth squad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I wouldn't use it but i i'm sure it would be much be better with an official one. I agree with underwater sunlight. Would be a nice DLC for a quid or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer.joel Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 No. It would encourage more cheating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri916 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 No. It would encourage more cheating Wow, cheating at a single player game, some people really stoop low don't they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Wow, cheating at a single player game, some people really stoop low don't they. Exactly. It matters very little if a player uses it to cheat, it isn't affecting anyone else's game. Play the game how you find it fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 SI already provide an editor so people can "cheat" anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisso Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Think it'd be great, often use the other tool as a means of seeing how the game works for my own ends, seeing what effects certain mental traits have etc. There's also a sense of frustration that you're 'locked' into a game once it's started and underway. Any data oversights or errors can't be fixed and some static values such as the quality of the nations newgens can't be edited, so your game isn't truly fluid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnyfooty Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 SI already provide an editor so people can "cheat" anyway Are there any plans on expanding on that one as well? A big part of changes causes the game to crush on itself 10-15 seasons in. For example,I once changed the hometowns of the whole swedish structure and scattered them throughout the world. This way their regens would have different natonalities. By 2020 the save file got to a crushing point from such a basic change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 I know nothing of plans for the editor, have to wait for SI to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hluraven Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Only if it paid for itself, i.e. it was developed by additional staff, funded by the DLC payments. I wouldn't want to see any time taken up that could be spent on making the game better by the current staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Oh yeh, extra staff (probably just one) to produce it and I'd expect it to be a nice little earner tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 It would undermine their existing DLC model. As a result, my answer is "only if it is profitable and stable". I don't care for the current DLC and I wouldn't care for an RTE, so I'd rather SI do whatever benefits them better, because that will result in more money for the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnyfooty Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Another good question would be: Should some of the FMC micro-transactions make it to the full game. Obviously, not the ones about the transfer window or loan restrictions, but the "son generation" and "new stadium" ones could make their way into the full game. I bet there can be suggestions for other micro-transactions that can be implemented without disturbing the balance of the full mode. I'm fairly certain that implementing the "son generation" to the full mode would bring on a considerable amount of profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleiria Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 SI should improve the current editor (ading more options in creating comp's) and don't spend time in "cheating" editors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik_Dut Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'm in as long as it is free. Otherwise it's just as "evil" as EA or that third-party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 Just to add some information, it was 5 years ago now that I did a lot of research to try and determine how popular it (the other beast:)) was. I checked all the websites I could find that provided it and gave up counting download totals when I reached 150,000, believe me they'd have no trouble selling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veggeh Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd say yes, so long as it's restricted to the full game only. Allowing it in Classic undermines their micro-transaction model, and allowing it in challenges is just stupid. Personally, I'd be happy to pay a one-time fee of maybe £2-5 for it, depending on how good it was. Though I wouldn't use it to cheat, it'd be more than useful for temp fixing some minor bugs on the fly, which I find very important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0x0r Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'd prefer they allowed more changes in the pre game editor first, and maybe a "custom league wizard" thing where you could just set up the rules, pick the teams (through a wizard not manually), and go through a game of questions and answers to work out promotions, relegations, prizes and so forth with "auto complete" options that'd use what you filled in to fill in other boxes. For instance if you had a prize for first, second, third, fourth and twentieth, it'd use 4th and 20th to work out all of the in betweens. And teams imported into a league would have their reserve teams brought with them and the like. People regularly make no player databases, released player databases and custom leagues. Why not make it easy and intuitive to make them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guspjmh Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'd rather they had a running db update, released monthly for a small fee which could keep your game completely up to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'd rather they had a running db update, released monthly for a small fee which could keep your game completely up to date. What would be the point of that? Any FM game diverges from reality once you hit "continue" for the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Stability is the only real issue to having something like this working, but it's a pretty big 'un. I'd be pretty against it coming in, because I'm fairly sure they'd balls it up. That's nothing against the SI developers, but how exactly do you test something like that? The pre-game editor must be bad enough, and with that you have a fairly solid base as your "before". A real=time editor would be bugged to hell I imagine, and run the risk of completely wrecking a save beyond repair. More trouble than it's worth. ETA; this guy has got it spot on I'd prefer they allowed more changes in the pre game editor first, and maybe a "custom league wizard" thing where you could just set up the rules, pick the teams (through a wizard not manually), and go through a game of questions and answers to work out promotions, relegations, prizes and so forth with "auto complete" options that'd use what you filled in to fill in other boxes. For instance if you had a prize for first, second, third, fourth and twentieth, it'd use 4th and 20th to work out all of the in betweens. And teams imported into a league would have their reserve teams brought with them and the like.People regularly make no player databases, released player databases and custom leagues. Why not make it easy and intuitive to make them? Shore up the pre-game editor so that some of the more complex edits are simpler, and allow us to change other things within reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4457 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Any chance we get an enhanced pre-game editor with the advanced panel available to all first before an RTE? I'd prefer the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkstatto Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 This is so needed, different people like to play in different ways, I love the option of mixing up a long game to keep it fresh and not have the same challenge over again. Would highly recommend it. Would even pay for it via a nominal sum off of steam if available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latimerinho Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 An official real-time editor would certainly get the thumbs up from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epdavies Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Would happily pay a couple of quid for an official RTE. It's not something I would use often, but would be a good option to have. Have tried 3rd party options and whilst they do the job, an official, bug-free version would be worth paying for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_mcm Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think there are more reasons for it than against it. In terms of stability, I'd rather use an editor by the actual developers than a 3rd party (nothing against said editor). If one/two guys can write a pretty good editor, I'm sure the developers, who know the code inside out (hopefully haha) could write something very stable and safe to use. Just my humble opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I use the well known RTE to view players hidden attributes as i find them interesting. Its nice too see just how successful my tutors have been rather than the vague ingame description. Then of course i can also see the PA of players easily too. If people want to cheat, then they will always find a way and the real time editor wont change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tessellate Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think it's a fantastic idea, nothing worst than spending an hour in the pre-game editor only to forget something and have to exit the game you're already 1 month into. One thing I'd request is that there is some sort of indicator that the editor had been used on a particular player. This way forums etc. that are focused on showing off regens are not flooded by people changing their 14 year old Guatemalan regen to be Messi-like and screaming how amazing they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutulaine Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I voted NO, cause it has no use for me. But, as many others said, since a lot of ppl use it, it would make sense for you to give them a reliable/accurate/stable/perfect editor. One thing, though: make them pay for it separately from the game. Brings you a little more profit from those who want to cheat their way through or whatever they use it for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie.fm Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Creating real-time editor is suicide. Better do something with FMRTE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Ball Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Undecided. It's not something that would hurt the game, it has its good points that have been mentioned. It'd be great if it included editing of kits colours. As for cheating, many have said: there's a tool for cheating already anyway, putting this tool as an official part of the game won't add anything to that. Then there's the question of what cheating functionality it could have or not. Or if it could set a flag of "cheat used" on the screen. Like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, that had a command line you could use to activate cheats, if you did, the load screen had a big "Cheat used" stamp on the screenshot. But, how much would it take from development of tactical match engine?. My answer would depend on that question. If it takes from other candy kind of things, then by all means yes; else, no. I lean to a yes. Now, do I vote yes or do I leave it without a vote? Or vote whatever has the least, just for my doubt be reflected in a small levelling?. Hum... I think I won't vote until such a time my decision becomes clear and I remember this poll to come back and vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 One of the benefits is to sort out a few bugs that occur. Example, I was offered a contract, I accepted it but the board didn't confirm it, my contract ran out but I was still in charge of the side but wasn't recognised as the manager. I could play the games but it kept saying the club is looking for a manager, they offered contracts to managers but nothing happened. Using a third party editor I could easily sort that out. Its happened with coaches as well, who left the club but still were reporting assignments to me in comparison to their team. Its like I sent them as spies but again I could fix that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsfc Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'm interested to know what people would edit once they have started a save?! Part of the beauty of FM for me is the changes that occur once you have started a save that are out of my control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skw91 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'd be in favour of it only if it didn't affect the quality of the main game. Personally wouldn't use it but know others find it useful so can see the benefits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbone Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I wouldnt use it, but its definitely a good idea for SI to capitalize on something that there is demand for! I can think of a few other third party features that it would be great to see SI taking interest in. obviously it would be nice if these things could be added in for free but i dont think many people would object to paying a couple of quid more (optionally) for getting official features. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L4ncster Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'm voting yes. I'm in 2030 in my game now and i'd like to update my kits a bit. No wonder shirt sales are down! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blast126 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Football Manager should be much real as possible. Using an RTE is not much realistic, for that motive I vote No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gw79 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 My only reason for voting yes is so I could find the IDs of new stadiums in order to change its name and/or provide a background image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardanwen Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 God yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman9 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Would be a great addition if its not a free edition then im sure even if they charged a £1 no one would complain and maybe theyll make some decent money out of it considering the amount of people who are for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racatte Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Even with the 19% of no, it's an evidence ! Included as the "standard" editor is, of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard76 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Absolutely. And their own scouting tool for that matter too. Always baffles me these cries of cheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Miles Jacobson Posted August 19, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted August 19, 2013 Very interesting to see this poll - https://twitter.com/milesSI/status/369467246638141440 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhazmuz Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Very interesting to see this poll - https://twitter.com/milesSI/status/369467246638141440 Damn, this is good news! When you say Sim mode, you mean the the full career mode (and thus not classic mode)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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