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I am no stranger to FM games but i cannot get my head around this one.

My team seems incapable of passing, tackling or creating any kind of real chance other than long shots while the opposition passes 20-30 times one touch passing ending with a sublime finish. Its not like i am even playing top teams, i am playing as Leeds in the championship yet every team plays like Barcelona while my team plays like a championship team.

Also how come opposition players can run 30yards with the ball ghosting past 5/6 players and stick the ball in the back of the net on a consistent basis? These once in a blue moon goals in real life. My players stand around watching, I have tried aggresive tackling, hassle opponents and get stuck in but it seems to have almost no effect.

Once again there is too much emphasis on the home team being dominant, in real life this is a factor of course but its not the be all and end all, its the same problem that 2012 had

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I can only suggest heading to the tactics and training forum and reading through some guides to help you get a better understanding of the tactics etc in FM13.

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The 'one player dribbling round your whole team' issue is a known bug, and is one SI will be squashing once the next update hits (hopefully!). Aside from that, as Andy H says, the Tactics and Training forum can probably help you better than most - I know that there's been a fairly significant change in what works in FM13 compared to FM12, so perhaps starting afresh might be a good idea if you haven't already.

The 'breakthrough' moment for me was realising that you just need to keep things simple. You don't need to spend hours fiddling with the sliders to make an effective tactic, you can achieve just as much success with well-thought out player roles and a sensible, thoughtful approach to exactly what you want each player to do - in particular players linking the midfield and defence or midfield and attack.

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Every game, every time, cross, goal, cross, goal, cross, goal, cross goal, why? This goes for me and the AI, I don't want every goal coming from crosses, it's all I ever see, it's incredibly poor, gotta be the worst ME ever, fantastic game until you get to matches where it's incredibly let down by this sack of spuds.

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I have changed my tactics up now to a much more rigid solid counter style rather than the fluid free flowing style i would normally go for. This has helped a great deal over the past 2 games, short passing selected now instead of direct, dictating play and creating chances. Still missing a lot of these chances and conceded 2 goals in 2 games on a penalty in the 92nd minute for the opposition to draw the game, the one in the next game was an own goal. I won 3-1. Now its just bad luck i have to contend with haha, also noticing more injuries this time round?

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I just wonder if the problem is how the collision detection is set up . Too often it seems defenders run away from the tackle ar run alongside the player with the ball rather than tackling as if the collision detection is overriding it .

I have even seen players run towards the ball then just as they get close to it , the opposition gets the ball and they run away instead of tackling , before once again approaching .

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I just wonder if the problem is how the collision detection is set up . Too often it seems defenders run away from the tackle ar run alongside the player with the ball rather than tackling as if the collision detection is overriding it .

I have even seen players run towards the ball then just as they get close to it , the opposition gets the ball and they run away instead of tackling , before once again approaching .

Yep i am seeing this a lot, and is the main reason for many of the goals i concede and many of the opportunities that my teams wastes. I am also seeing my players picking the ball up in acres of space and instead of running flat out towards goal they just seem to give up and run at a slow jog or just not bother running until the defender catches them up

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When does the new patch come out ? Will that not fix some of the issues ?

I think it is more than likely that it will, but no-one knows when it will come out, as it won't be out until it is ready. It is not so likely that the patch fixing the issues will end the moaning threads though (not that this is a bad example by any means)

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I think it is more than likely that it will, but no-one knows when it will come out, as it won't be out until it is ready. It is not so likely that the patch fixing the issues will end the moaning threads though (not that this is a bad example by any means)

Well even before the latest patch, I still had fun playing the game. But hopefully it will be improved more because there were a few annoying issues.

Just have to wait now then.

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Well even before the latest patch, I still had fun playing the game. But hopefully it will be improved more because there were a few annoying issues.

Just have to wait now then.

My thoughts exactly

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Well, those are all bugs in the ME that is frustrating. What I cant understand, is how the community is expected to accept the fact that for full price, we get a product that is so flawed that its rather unplayable still 3 months after release. In what other area (despite computer games) in this consumerist society is that accepted? Im returning my game and going back to FM12. The match engine is so poor its unplayable. I´ll get a heart attack any second now watching my defenders desperatly trying to allow the attacker to score.

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Go to the tactics forum if you want to find people who have learned to exploit the broken ME or you can wait like I and many others have since the game has been released to actually get a save started, all the things you mention in your opening post are all bugs and you can learn how to beat them by playing with a tactic and philosophy that someone else has made up to beat the ME, you cant set up a game in FM13 yet that plays the way you want them to you can only make do with other peoples ways of beating the ME, if you want to play your own way then you will need to wait for the next update and pray that it is a million times better than the current ME if not it's a long wait to FM 14.

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This game is just a load of crap. Un installing now. ALL THE FUN OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN SUCKED OUT OF IT!!!!!

I do not have all day to sit around fiddling and tweaking tactics, and even when I do try they never work anyway!!

The ME is not really my biggest problem, it's the detail you have to now go into, it's just ridiculous. Bring back the old enjoyable game that you could pick up and have an hours fun on, not 2 hours of pure dissapointment and tactical fiddling.

I bet the real world football managers don't go into as much detail as what SI / FM expect us to go into!!

If you are a big club on here, you can just about get by with a solid formation and decent players, but as soon as you drop down a couple of leagues, it becomes a full time job!!! Not a few hours of fun like it used to be.

Rant over.

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This game is just a load of crap. Un installing now. ALL THE FUN OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN SUCKED OUT OF IT!!!!!

I do not have all day to sit around fiddling and tweaking tactics, and even when I do try they never work anyway!!

The ME is not really my biggest problem, it's the detail you have to now go into, it's just ridiculous. Bring back the old enjoyable game that you could pick up and have an hours fun on, not 2 hours of pure dissapointment and tactical fiddling.

I bet the real world football managers don't go into as much detail as what SI / FM expect us to go into!!

If you are a big club on here, you can just about get by with a solid formation and decent players, but as soon as you drop down a couple of leagues, it becomes a full time job!!! Not a few hours of fun like it used to be.

Rant over.

Have you tried FMC?

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Yep with Newcastle, was ok for a bit, but FMC just makes you feel like you are no longer any good to be able to play the full version anymore. It's demoralising!

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Well that is hardly the game's fault then is it? You're basically saying the full game is too complex, but the baby version makes you feel demoralised.

Seriously? FFS I give up.

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I have a left winger at Rangers who used to always come inside,beat 5 players and shoot with most efforts going miles wide. I changed it to ask him to stay wide and get crosses in,guess what,he still comes inside,beats 5 men and shoots.

Something is not right there and I think it's a coded problem in the game,funny it never happens with right winger

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Well that is hardly the game's fault then is it? You're basically saying the full game is too complex, but the baby version makes you feel demoralised.

Seriously? FFS I give up.

What's hard about that to understand? You wan't the full package but don't want the tedium, or a stripped down easy version.

I'm going to have another go at FMC if these ME bugs ever get fixed, I just hate the fact you can only have 3 leagues and can't mess around with your staff.

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I'm going to have another go at FMC if these ME bugs ever get fixed, I just hate the fact you can only have 3 leagues and can't mess around with your staff.

This is the first edition of FMC though and both those points are in the suggestions thread so there's every chance it'll change if demand is great enough.

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This is the first edition of FMC though and both those points are in the suggestions thread so there's every chance it'll change if demand is great enough.

I'm impressed that SI care enough to have added this to the main game for people with 'less time' as they put it. I think FMC should not be any easier though, but just have less of the thing people find boring like press conferences or media comments etc, in fm2012 and now even more so in fm2013 I just seem to be pressing the space bar or clicking continue more than anything else, I wouldn't be surprised in the future if FMC becomes the main reason to buy the game.

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What's hard about that to understand? You wan't the full package but don't want the tedium, or a stripped down easy version.

I'm going to have another go at FMC if these ME bugs ever get fixed, I just hate the fact you can only have 3 leagues and can't mess around with your staff.

I was replying to LFCwhathisname, because he says the game is a load of crap because he can't be bothered playing the full game yet feels demoralised having to play the baby version. Which is so incredibly stupid it's beyond belief.

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Every game, every time, cross, goal, cross, goal, cross, goal, cross goal, why? This goes for me and the AI, I don't want every goal coming from crosses, it's all I ever see, it's incredibly poor, gotta be the worst ME ever, fantastic game until you get to matches where it's incredibly let down by this sack of spuds.

I've picked out wanderer's post but its relevant to everyone, just saying something doesn't make it true.

For your team if you go to report > goals you can see a variety of stats.

If I look at my last 50 matches:

I've scored 60 goals and conceded 34 broken down into the following types (Conceded in brackets).

Placed Shot: 40 (20)

Powerful Shot: 2 (2)

Lob: 1 (0)

Header: 14 (10)

Free Kick: 0 (1)

Penalty: 3 (1)

54 of those were given an assist (32 of those conceded) as follows:

Corners: 8 (4)

Pass: 31 (13)

Cross: 14 (15)

Mistake: 1 (0)

and they were from the following locations:

Inside the box: 9 (7)

Left: 6 (7)

Right: 14 (12)

Centrally: 21 (6)

Own Half: 3 (0)

As you can see from these stats I score a variety of goals, in a variety of ways from a variety of locations.

Before claiming you see the same thing all the time perhaps you should take the time to look at your own team stats.

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I have a left winger at Rangers who used to always come inside,beat 5 players and shoot with most efforts going miles wide. I changed it to ask him to stay wide and get crosses in,guess what,he still comes inside,beats 5 men and shoots.

Something is not right there and I think it's a coded problem in the game,funny it never happens with right winger

long shots are the bane of my life on this game.

I have everybody set to rarely and still, the minute they get a sight of goal the shoot, most of the time hitting the corner flag.

I am massively unimpressed with this current ME

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I'm almost hoping they extend the FMC (less time-consuming) version to 2 more versions, FMS (normal version, but simplified tactics) and FMCS (combination of FMC and FMS), because I don't want any simplifying of the tactics on the regular game, due to people having the aspiration to be successfully playing a (supposed to be) football simulation, without thinking too much.

NBA 2k13 for example, a basketball game, has 2 default play-style settings, one is called "standard" and one is called "simulation". So if I play with standards settings, I can go all out, play spectacular and aggressive and generally don't need to think too much while playing. I can also pull off difficult moves and plays with more ease. But the important part is, that I don't need to change the difficulty, I can still play a challenging, although more arcade-ish game. The AI is still the same, the aforementioned play-style changes apply to them too.

Without taking my initial naming of new play modes in FM too seriously, I do think that the influence of tactics and their sensitivity might need to get toned down, but only seperately from the original simulation game and for those who don't want to play with "full tactics".

For everyone who is right now struggling, but honestly willing to overcame their tactics issues (fiddling with tactics as of now is a crucial, non-plug&play part), don't listen to anyone who writes about the game being unplayable, having to exploit the ME for tactics to work or other nonsense. They are just frustrated, which I honestly empathise with, but from a factual stand point they aren't right.

After playing my long-term save for 15 seasons, I:

a) didn't experience a frequency of bugs that really affected my overall fun playing the game. When they happened, they did make me cringe, of course.

b) never had to "exploit the ME" to get a tactic working. Thinking, practising & browsing the many good tactical reads like in the Tactics Discussion forum (go there now! ;D) were the tools too antagonise the things that are too much on the strong/weak side in this ME - no extreme slider settings or player/team instructions, nothing weird or unrealistic. I didn't have to specialise against them more than in any other ME versions, with the difference being that it is much more punishing to ignore a mis-match like wing-attack vs. exposed wings & the visual oddity of those already acknowledged bugs. Another example are long shots, most people think setting them to low is enough, but that would only work with simplified tactics. There are many more reasons behind too many long shots, the supposed future ME fix of "- Toned down poor decision long shots" would be the most obvious, but high Creative Freedom settings, manually or through role/philosophy, override your long shot settings, as well as lack of other options for the player in that situation, attributes, PPMs, etc....

c) didn't just roll through every opponent and win trophies all the time, but when I struggled for longer than the odd match, it was almost always coincident with me trying brute-force/try&error tactical methods or generally not caring too much / not spending time on resolving the issues. But when I was patient and put in the effort, the game was rewarding that big time. I'm guilty of pacing through some seasons and getting angry at bad runs/results, but I never blamed anyone else but me (for longer than the few moments/minutes long reflex that makes you want to smash the laptop ;P). There were always logical reasons behind success/failure, not some RNG or the AI cheating.

d) am nevertheless eagerly awaiting the new ME. Surprised?

To clarify and avoid misunderstandings, I personally think there are quite a few very annoying bugs and balancing issues with the ME, some to the point where I don't get why they weren't spotted before a patch was released (but also acknowledging that "fixing a bug" isn't just a button push).

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This update is one of the worst I can remember. It's clearly a rush job for Christmas, like SI temporarily forgot that they now don't allow users to roll back patches.

This whole version of the game has just felt like one big, full-priced beta test.

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This update is one of the worst I can remember. It's clearly a rush job for Christmas, like SI temporarily forgot that they now don't allow users to roll back patches.

This whole version of the game has just felt like one big, full-priced beta test.

It's nothing to do with Christmas, release date is determined by how long it takes to finish off after the summer transfer windowcloses., it has always been that way.

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I meant the last update, which came out on Christmas eve and took people playing it two seconds to pick up the long shots/dribbling/lack of through balls issues.

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PaulC already acknowledged he boobed on that one in one area, so I guess we know why it's taking longer for the next one :)

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Fair enough, I'm not going to get into an argument or slanging match etc. Just as someone who was very positive about the beta and release engines, this latest update has left a very sour taste in my mouth.

But onwards and upwards.

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You give up?! How about I have my opinion and that footy manager would be too complex for even real football managers!

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If the world was a disc in my opinion, that wouldn't necessarily make it true or able to pair other false statements with it.

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It's nothing to do with Christmas, release date is determined by how long it takes to finish off after the summer transfer windowcloses., it has always been that way.

Under the pre 2012 patch system you'd be right, however they've now got the systems in place to release ME patches and transfers separately. Unfortunately this years edition is the buggiest I've experienced and it's insanely frustrating. As Kotaku stated, this is easily the best and worst sports game of the year, it's got potential but it's a wreck.

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My opinion is my opinion. FM12 was more enjoyable for me. It's become far too time consuming, that's a fact

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If the world was a disc in my opinion, that wouldn't necessarily make it true or able to pair other false statements with it.

It is true, it's a disc on the back of a turtle carried by four elephants, everybody knows that :p

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More enjoyable for you is one. More time consuming is not a fact, for me it's less time consuming, due to added features in FM13 that allow me to progress through my saves faster. On the other hand I play the game more than before because of it, so strictly speaking... :p

edit: Kriss, as I'm not native speaking I had to think about that very disc, to translate this simple word correctly.

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It is true, it's a disc on the back of a turtle carried by four elephants, everybody knows that :p

gotta say you got this one wrong, is turtles all the way down :p

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I've picked out wanderer's post but its relevant to everyone, just saying something doesn't make it true.

For your team if you go to report > goals you can see a variety of stats.

If I look at my last 50 matches:

I've scored 60 goals and conceded 34 broken down into the following types (Conceded in brackets).

Placed Shot: 40 (20)

Powerful Shot: 2 (2)

Lob: 1 (0)

Header: 14 (10)

Free Kick: 0 (1)

Penalty: 3 (1)

54 of those were given an assist (32 of those conceded) as follows:

Corners: 8 (4)

Pass: 31 (13)

Cross: 14 (15)

Mistake: 1 (0)

and they were from the following locations:

Inside the box: 9 (7)

Left: 6 (7)

Right: 14 (12)

Centrally: 21 (6)

Own Half: 3 (0)

As you can see from these stats I score a variety of goals, in a variety of ways from a variety of locations.

Before claiming you see the same thing all the time perhaps you should take the time to look at your own team stats.

I know saying something doesn't make it true, I'm not making things up to slate SI for the sake of it, I don't wanna do that, in my current save, I've just played Chelsea, I'm Swansea, they won 3-1, every goal came from a cross, my goal was a corner, their goals came from Eden Hazard running down the wing, crossing it for Torres, 3 times, hat trick, I'm not being funny, but it's pathetic, it should not be happening, no game in the world that I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot, has had goals as many goals as that in a game, all from crosses.

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I know saying something doesn't make it true, I'm not making things up to slate SI for the sake of it, I don't wanna do that, in my current save, I've just played Chelsea, I'm Swansea, they won 3-1, every goal came from a cross, my goal was a corner, their goals came from Eden Hazard running down the wing, crossing it for Torres, 3 times, hat trick, I'm not being funny, but it's pathetic, it should not be happening, no game in the world that I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot, has had goals as many goals as that in a game, all from crosses.

If you believe that go to your goal stats and either provide screenshots or type up the stats I have above.

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If you believe that go to your goal stats and either provide screenshots or type up the stats I have above.

The way the first bit comes across, it may just be me, but it comes across a tad condescending, I know people are fed up of posts slagging the game off, but I don't wanna slag it off, it just seems as though whenever the opposition send a winger down the line, I'm gonna concede, as for the stats you asked for, I have, took this from my Wolves save, concede a few, but not as many as I do on my network save with I don't have access to as it's not my game, but I'll get them off that next time I'm on it too.

Last 50 Matches - All Competitions - Goal Types

Placed Shot - Scored 47 - Conceded 33

Powerful Shot - Scored 8 - Conceded 8

Lob - Scored 1 - Conceded 0

Header - Scored 25 - Conceded 7

Free Kick - Scored 1 - Conceded 0

Penalty - Scored 5 - Conceded 2

Last 50 matches - All Competitions - Goal Assists

Corner - Scored 14 - Conceded 6

Pass - Scored 40 - Conceded 25

Cross - Scored 23 - Conceded 15

Opposition Mistake - Scored 4 - Conceded 1

Now looking back on this, it does seem that I'm not conceding many from crosses, but like I said, it was both ways, now I know, less than 50 goals in 50 games isn't that bad, but again, like I said, it's not on this save where I'm conceding the majority, it's on the network save, but I will post them as soon as I can.

Interesting to see that my defence is easily bypassed with a through ball, same goes for the opposition too, I'm scoring far too many headers, but then again, I do have Bony up front, so I'm bound to.

I don't want to berate SI, I've loved this game, I've put so many hours in to it, I wouldn't do that if I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't buy it if I didn't love the game, it just seems that this years ME is a bit, messed up in areas, some I know the team are working incredibly hard at fixing, which I appreciate, as I'm sure the millions of others who play the game do. It's just incredibly frustrating when you could be playing well, dominating the opposition, then a cross comes in, header/volley/whatever, goal, or their midfielder turns in to Xavi and puts a defence splitting pass through to their striker who slots it home, which, judging by my stats posted, they do quite often.

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I have to say i am eagerly awaiting the update because i dont know how much longer i can play this game the way it is. Of course i realise that some of the issues i am having are my own fault, tactical areas or responses that i need to change but there are some down right silly things happening in this game.

In a 5 game run i conceded 6 goals - 4 of these came from my defender tackling and the ball falling to the strikers feet or happening to play a perfect through ball for them the other 2 goals were unfortunate bounces off 1 and even 2 defenders to fall to the feet of an oncoming attacker. Also in this run of games i had 2 red cards.

I, like others am seeing a lot of goals scored from crosses both by me and the opposition, i dont think there can be any argument that there is something a little screwy with it. I do think SI have tried to increase the amount of goals scored by crosses because if i remember correctly on FM12 everyone moaned that crosses didnt really work, but i think maybe it has gone too far the other way now.

I am now going to experiment with making no tactical changes at all, playing with all default settings and playing a standard 4-4-2 because this saw my team play amazingly in my last game, so i am interested to see if playing with default settings actually works better than changing anything, because if it does then what is the point in playing?

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I am now going to experiment with making no tactical changes at all, playing with all default settings and playing a standard 4-4-2 because this saw my team play amazingly in my last game, so i am interested to see if playing with default settings actually works better than changing anything, because if it does then what is the point in playing?

Use default but spend time selecting the right roles for players or selecting the right players for roles, that's all I do and it works reasonably well.

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b) never had to "exploit the ME" to get a tactic working. Thinking, practising & browsing the many good tactical reads like in the Tactics Discussion forum (go there now! ;D) were the tools too antagonise the things that are too much on the strong/weak side in this ME - no extreme slider settings or player/team instructions, nothing weird or unrealistic.

That still doesn't mean you're not forced to "exploit" the ME though...

Sure, it's not exploitation like it was the Diablo tactic, or the specific corner routine, but in a way you're just bound to work around the ME's weaknesses and unbalanced features to get something (more) out of the game.

That's not new, as virtually every version had a "more profitable" style of play, tactical setup etc... But in fairness, reading guides and manuals shouldn't be a prerequisite to achieve a moderate amount of success... (not to mention, with all the due respect to wwfan and the other tactical gurus, it's still unofficial and trial-by-error material... Immensely educated guesses, but still guesses)

So even though it's not technically cheating or exploiting, if you know you HAVE TO play a certain way to get something out of the game it's not how it should be.

Some tactics don't work, and some others are almost impossible to get right... You can indeed try to get the ME to play, say, an old-school 4-5-1 and lose heavily in the process because the ME just doesn't "understand" it, or you can read all the available guides and end up winning with one of the "ME-friendly" setups.

The thing is: we shouldn't be forced to choose... If I lose with said 4-5-1 it should be because my players aren't suited for it, or because it's no match for the opponents tactics.

Not because the ME just isn't able to handle it and turns it into something else

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Sorry that you feel that way, but for me it's a different story.

There have always been 2 kinds of successful tactics, the ones that exploit/suit the ME and the ones that use logic like in the known guides and almost always work, regardless of the ME.

I always man-marked opposing wingers specifically if they're good, in the past. This time/ME it just hurts (too much, admittedly) to not do that.

To disprove it, show your tactics in the tactics forum and let them dissect it ;)

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I am no stranger to FM games but i cannot get my head around this one.

My team seems incapable of passing, tackling or creating any kind of real chance other than long shots while the opposition passes 20-30 times one touch passing ending with a sublime finish. Its not like i am even playing top teams, i am playing as Leeds in the championship yet every team plays like Barcelona while my team plays like a championship team.

Also how come opposition players can run 30yards with the ball ghosting past 5/6 players and stick the ball in the back of the net on a consistent basis? These once in a blue moon goals in real life. My players stand around watching, I have tried aggresive tackling, hassle opponents and get stuck in but it seems to have almost no effect.

Once again there is too much emphasis on the home team being dominant, in real life this is a factor of course but its not the be all and end all, its the same problem that 2012 had

If I were you with the experience you have had so far I would not bother with FM13 until it has been successfully repatched, you are unlikely to find it anymore "fun" than you have so far However, on a positive note I have not really noticed the far post proliferation of goals bug nor have dribbles seemed too common watching extended highlights. The stats are another story though, silly amounts of dribbles still an issue overall and shots on goal just nonsense (20+ every match I play and 39 in another Prem game I didnt, although I have only checked a handful of other teams games.)

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I never knew about the goal analysis thing, here is my last 50 games..

Not sure if the use of crosses is to much? I play lone striker with 2 extremely good attacking winger, so a lot of my play goes through wings..

goalassist.jpg

goalanalysis.jpg

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Sorry that you feel that way, but for me it's a different story.

There have always been 2 kinds of successful tactics, the ones that exploit/suit the ME and the ones that use logic like in the known guides and almost always work, regardless of the ME.

You're not getting my point...

I should be able to play ANY reasonable tactic if I want to and lose when/if it's not well-balanced, not suited for my players or not good enough to stop the opposition.

I'm under the impression in FM it's always been more about "finding" the best way to play the ME's dynamics rather than trying to build a sensible tactical setup.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in FM12 there was little point in playing a cross+header style because wingers weren't effective and a fast striker/poacher was much more dangerous in the box.

In FM11 it was all about 4-2-3-1, and in a previous iteration (FM10 maybe) the DMC was the key to success, along with a narrow formation (4-1-2-1-2 or any variation of a 4-1-x-x)

So, while not denying it was STILL possible to achieve some degree of success with different tactics, the core of the tactical approach was to benefit from what was more effective due to the ME working this or that way.

To me, it's just not right...

I always man-marked opposing wingers specifically if they're good, in the past. This time/ME it just hurts (too much, admittedly) to not do that.

So, by proxy, it's more advisable to play with wingers than with a narrow and wingless formation... Back to the point I made earlier.

P.S. also, all those guides basically tell us "when in the game you read X, it really means it does Y in the ME".

A lack of clarity that doesn't help people in dealing with tactics in a straightforward way...

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I'm under the impression in FM it's always been more about "finding" the best way to play the ME's dynamics rather than trying to build a sensible tactical setup.

You're not getting mine. ;) Both approaches work, though the latter is harder at first, but easier and more enjoyable later on.

While I absolutely agree with the lack of clarity, I think the right guides help you to work on your tactics satisfyingly for any ME. It was that way for me ever since I read "Tactical Theorems & Frameworks '09", as well as the more TC based '10 edition of it. Google it, sorry if you know it already.

I highly recommend those, and as I haven't been around that much since FML I almost missed that gem http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/334248-Understanding-Your-Tactic-The-Discussion , thought that was just a Discussion thread. :p

You CAN go to the drawing-board, develop a tactic based on your taste and regardless of the ME and be successful. It's just much more punishing in this ME to do the wrong things / not do the right things manually with your tactics, as well as the things that go wrong look awkward, which I don't agree with and that's why I'm hoping for a better ME release.

Back to the clarity, I'm with one of my former points of either simplyfying tactics optionally or putting up more warning signs & help regarding manual tactics tweaking.

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The ME is poor we all know that but it works for both you and the opposition to be fair. Just get a quick winger and have him run down the wing, cross to the back post and its a goal 99% of the time. In desperate need of an update. Patience beginning to wear thin now especially given it was 2 weeks ago apparently the update was close but didn't have enough goals at lower league levels.

As I said before though happy to wait if it fixes the game properly.

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