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How many people will be buying FM on release day in future?

Will you be buying FM on release day in future?  

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  1. 1. Will you be buying FM on release day in future?

    • Yes of course.
    • Maybe.
    • I will never buy FM on release day again.


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I wanted to get a poll started to let SI know just how many people will be buying FM on release day in future after recent events this year and please no rants or offending remarks about SI staff just state why you have made your choice constructively please.

I personally have put the game to the side just now and went back to FM12 due to the issues raised by people here, the team I am sure are working flat out to fix the issues although I still feel for a ME under development for nearly two years it is the worst FM released so far with regards to the ME, the other new features I really like and if this ME was more polished on release it would have been the best FM so far in my eyes.

The ME should have never been released until 2013 but sadly the 2012 ME was at it's limit of what could be done with it, SI had to release this years new ME because working on say FM12 ME in this years game and also trying to develop the FM 13 ME at the same time wouldn't be viable, unfortunately we have no choice but to be patient and wait for the ME programmer Paul C to do his stuff and I can say to all users he will be trying his hardest to get this right for everyone as creating FM and building these ME's from the ground up will have been this guys life.

I am as disappointed as all other FM players I have played these games for years back to the very first CM/FM games and I can't play FM at the moment because personally I feel I am trying to set my tactic against the ME and not my opponent and I just don't see any of my tactics being represented on screen, no through balls etc etc we all know the rest, but at the same time I have the common sense to realize exactly what is happening here by looking at the previous FM releases and the current state of the game in what is now nearly January and I have a funny feeling this will be one of SI's most difficult years possibly losing customers, SI had no choice but to release this ME for us all to help shape into most probably the best ME in any management game to date because that is what is being created here and we are all part of making that happen over the next few months and years, what would the other choice have been stick with FM 12 and have people moan about the blatant flaws for a year or bring a new ME out to the masses and let everyone help shape it to be the best?

FM is the only real proper football management game out there and is going through constant changes and we all know the way it works it has never changed the game gets released the players find bugs SI fix them then other bugs then more fixes and so on and so on, even when the last fixes are rolled out before FM14 gets worked on the game will still need fixed so are you happy as customers to keep doing this year in year out or is enough enough?

These are just my thoughts on how I feel about the way things are going with FM and I will certainly be holding off until after Christmas 2014 and for all future FM releases, hopefully everyone posts their views without ranting so SI can at least see a thread with solid numbers voting and explaining why they have made their choice and hopefully we get a better product on release from now on.

So what about everyone else what will you be doing and why?

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I'll buy it on release day knowing it won't be perfection because I can live with imperfections (married ffs :D ), but if enough of you follow your cue then maybe SI might re-evaluate their release or patch strategy??

You/we are the hardcore though I think, my mate buys it every year, thinks a patch is something a pirate wears, never visits this forum and loves the game every year and I think peeps like him are the vast majority.

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I'll buy it on release day knowing it won't be perfection because I can live with imperfections (married ffs :D ), but if enough of you follow your cue then maybe SI might re-evaluate their release or patch strategy??

Thanks Jibby123 hopefully we can get SI to see just exactly how much damage this has caused and hopefully it changes in the future.:thup:

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I don't think a poll on this forum (with enough diehard fans on here) will be representive of the general opinion. Best ask the poll on the other forums as well and add those results to the ones here. You'll most likely find a more anti vote on the other forums as people won't mince their words. =)

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I don't think a poll on this forum (with enough diehard fans on here) will be representive of the general opinion. Best ask the poll on the other forums as well and add those results to the ones here. You'll most likely find a more anti vote on the other forums as people won't mince their words. =)

Good idea mate.

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I don't think a poll on this forum (with enough diehard fans on here) will be representive of the general opinion. Best ask the poll on the other forums as well and add those results to the ones here. You'll most likely find a more anti vote on the other forums as people won't mince their words. =)

Haven't noticed them mincing their words here tbh :D but you're right a poll on here won't be remotely representative and I don't even think it necessary, SI are well aware of the concerns and feelings of their fan base.

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Haven't noticed them mincing their words here tbh :D but you're right a poll on here won't be remotely representative and I don't even think it necessary, SI are well aware of the concerns and feelings of their fan base.

Kriss they have had a thread full of kids moaning about how their toy is broken in that ME thread this is basically for constructive feedback for SI as to the way they bring out FM to the public, it needs to be put to them after this years game was the worst ever, will they ever change or what mate or is it this for the future buy a game that can't be played properly on release, you are bound to be playing the same game as us Kriss, you have the worst job mate keeping order in a thread like that must be a full time job.:)

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Kriss they have had a thread full of kids moaning about how their toy is broken in that ME thread this is basically for constructive feedback for SI as to the way they bring out FM to the public, it needs to be put to them after this years game was the worst ever, will they ever change or what mate or is it this for the future buy a game that can't be played properly on release, you are bound to be playing the same game as us Kriss, you have the worst job mate keeping order in a thread like that must be a full time job.:)

I've explained why this years ME is a one off in terms of it's current problems at length, all the best games have rocky patches and even FM is no different but the plan is always to bring out the best FM possible (even if it sometimes doesn't happen to everybodys satisfaction.

Also the furore over the ME detracts from some impressive parts, notably FMC, it might not be to everyones taste but it's a huge bonus (even in its infant state) which many have asked for for years.

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I've explained why this years ME is a one off in terms of it's current problems at length, all the best games have rocky patches and even FM is no different but the plan is always to bring out the best FM possible (even if it sometimes doesn't happen to everybodys satisfaction.

Also the furore over the ME detracts from some impressive parts, notably FMC, it might not be to everyones taste but it's a huge bonus (even in its infant state) which many have asked for for years.

I agree but do you not think resources have been spent an the other parts of the game and the ME has been over estimated on release, I say this because someone at SI or the internal/beta testers should have noticed this was not ready on release and I know first hand about the beta testing process but can't say to much about it because of NDA agreements and such, a lot of good testers are probably very frustrated as I was before I left last year.

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I agree but do you not think resources have been spent an the other parts of the game and the ME has been over estimated on release, I say this because someone at SI or the internal/beta testers should have noticed this was not ready on release and I can't say to much about the testing process for NDA agreements and such but it's a frustrating lengthy process and you run out of time.

Resources aren't an issue, you can't have a hundred people working on one module like the ME.

I know all about the frustrations of testing and I've often thought it could be improved procedurally but that's from a testers point of view not a Dev's and there are obviously things I don't know about which affect the process.

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Not next year, but depending on how future games are from the start then i will see. Have been disappointed with this years ME so will definitely be keeping an eye on here before buying

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I've explained why this years ME is a one off in terms of it's current problems at length, all the best games have rocky patches and even FM is no different but the plan is always to bring out the best FM possible (even if it sometimes doesn't happen to everybodys satisfaction.

Also the furore over the ME detracts from some impressive parts, notably FMC, it might not be to everyones taste but it's a huge bonus (even in its infant state) which many have asked for for years.

I absolutely agree with this- I think its pretty obvious that SI dont set out to release a buggy match engine but it has just turned out that way. I think what has made the frustration worse for me is the fact that everything else IS so good- the new GUI I feel is the best Ive ever seen and the concept of FMC is a massive stride forward in terms of making FM more accessible to the casual gamer. I am going to be more wary for next years release because the ME this year has been so volatile and its very much a case of once bitten twice shy. If SI can provide a more stable ME in the coming months I would be very much open to changing my mind on this matter but as it stands I'll be more of a keen observer in the lead up to release as regardless of the good intentions of SI, I dont feel able to play a game I paid £30 for and that has been disappointing.

On a more positive note though I think everything outside the ME has been a massive success and I look forward to what you guys have in mind for next years game.

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Never again...That's what I say every year. This time might be my last first day FM buy. The crash dump that I get on the 2nd of July 2013(on my 7th save now) might be the reason...

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Always have and always will buy FM on release day but next year I will be avoiding GD on here like the plague till at least January.

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Always have and always will buy FM on release day but next year I will be avoiding GD on here like the plague till at least January.

Same here. Been enjoying the game since release. You're always gonna get a bit of a skewed poll on here because most people on log in when they are unhappy, the rest are just getting on with it and enjoying it.

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They force a copy on me, they know where I live!

The angry minority are always noisier than the happy majority, if they truly were the majority then there wouldn't be a game worth making any more because it would just be an enormous loss. Given the way it was set up this year for pre-ordering and getting Beta access I think if that is continued then there will be more and more who have it on release day.

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I'll do what I did this year- play the demo, see how it is, and judge at the time. If it impresses me, I've no qualms about a release day purchase. For me, after playing the demo, I felt FM13 didn't show any significant sign of improvements in the areas that NEEDED improving, so I didn't buy it. Indeed, the UI is most definitely a step in the wrong direction, in my eyes. It's not that complicated a method: try it first and then make a decision based on first-hand experience.

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Nope.

I'll keep my main save from this year going until about January time. Then I'll get the game cheaper and (hopefully) in working order.

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I'll always buy it on release, despite it's issues. Like people have been saying, this poll shouldn't be taken for fact, as, people will complain more when they feel their gaming experience has been a negative. On the other hahand, those who are happy won't come here and say so.

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I absolutely agree with this- I think its pretty obvious that SI dont set out to release a buggy match engine but it has just turned out that way. I think what has made the frustration worse for me is the fact that everything else IS so good- the new GUI I feel is the best Ive ever seen and the concept of FMC is a massive stride forward in terms of making FM more accessible to the casual gamer. I am going to be more wary for next years release because the ME this year has been so volatile and its very much a case of once bitten twice shy. If SI can provide a more stable ME in the coming months I would be very much open to changing my mind on this matter but as it stands I'll be more of a keen observer in the lead up to release as regardless of the good intentions of SI, I dont feel able to play a game I paid £30 for and that has been disappointing.

On a more positive note though I think everything outside the ME has been a massive success and I look forward to what you guys have in mind for next years game.

GUI is the worst part of the game (completely out of touch with time) in my opinion.

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I always buy it on day 1, knowing that it won't be perfect. And when i find bugs i post them here, as always.

I'm happy with that :)

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This is the first year I have purchased the game on release. In fact I pre-ordered and had access to the beta version. To be completely honest I definitely won't be buying on release next year or getting involved in any beta testing. I find it all too frustrating. I don't have half as much free time to play as I used to and I can't be bothered with playing a game that is unfinished, full of bugs and with an embarrassingly bad ME that makes me want to pull what hair I have left out. I'll leave all that stuff to people who have 30-40 hours a week spare to play a game. FM14 I will pick up in January 2014 at the earliest.

A question for those of you that usually buy on release or soon after, how does this year's game compare to previous years in terms of bugs and the state of the ME at this stage in it's shelf life?

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I've switched back to FM 12 as well and the opening post sums up both my frustration along with my understanding that there can obviously be rough patches. But for those saying that an enormous happy majority might not log in there could equally be people, specially newcomers, who got fed up and dropped the game altogether. I'm sure the marketing people will be able to tell if it has any impact or not. FM over the years has given me too many hours of awesomeness for me to be petty about this one-off disappointment but I might be more cautious with FM 14. I am confident that things will only get better from here though. Happy New Year everyone!

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I buy Fm every year and havent this year. two reasons, personal finances and two i wasent sure if I wanted to. I wasent hppen with how SI went about doing the BETA/DEMO to be honest and when I did play the demo it kept crashing. Its very unstable for me but managed to play it again if I reboot etc have multiple saves. (one always works and I can carry on)

But I wasent sure how much of an improvement there was on the game this year. In fact I found some of it worse. I love some features but the way players skate around I hate as well as the fact the long balls picking up pace and flying off the pitch.

Would be interested on what is wrong with the game (seems to be alot of disgruntled people this year) Any one got a link to a list of complaints? I do want to buy it and tempted to with a voucher recieved at Christmas, but not so sure now.....

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I did Always have buy on release day . But not again .

I fill like iv paid to be a beta tester for fm2014 .

SI you have cheated me out of my hard earn money

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I didn't even get it this year on release, i got it for Christmas for Network play, Which is impossible, the ME is not bad, they removed most of the exploits which was right, people who can exploit it find it hard to win now then moan about it.

I wont be getting next years at all i don't think based on the Runtime errors in network, Insanely slow match day for my Network players and the Random Crashes which happen quite often, I feel the team was Rushed into release. If they had Spent more time fixing bugs from 12 and giving us FMC challenges i feel this 2013 game would have been 10/10.

I even feel slim to no effort has been put into the update of player Attributes. Which is something i noticed last 3 FM games, the database has been very much the same.

Si tried to fix some stuff, but then added in Lots of new stuff with lots of bugs that's testing should have noticed, So for this reason i will give fm14 a miss until they go back to the important stuff like fixing current bugs quicker, No bringing out lots of new features when previous bugs still exist, and hopefully a Nice extensive attribute update.

I also didn't like the fact SI sold out and started adding Buy-able Extras. Such a Microsoft marketplace thing to do, Starting to feel we will receive half a game next time and need to by the rest in addons.

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Kriss they have had a thread full of kids moaning about how their toy is broken in that ME thread this is basically for constructive feedback for SI as to the way they bring out FM to the public, it needs to be put to them after this years game was the worst ever, will they ever change or what mate or is it this for the future buy a game that can't be played properly on release, you are bound to be playing the same game as us Kriss, you have the worst job mate keeping order in a thread like that must be a full time job.:)

If you say this years version is the worst ever, surely you're joking or never played CM4.

That version had tons of patches and basically needed 2-3 years before it had a game which was fun to play and didn't have many show stopping bugs.

I think it's strange how every year people are talking about it being the worst version ever. It's been like this for years now, so if you haven't learned by now to only buy the game at half price in December, I'm sure you'll be the first one to pre order it again next year. If only to enjoy posting your opinion in the feedback thread. :D

I voted maybe, cause, well, since I started working and getting older, my gaming habbits died out a bit, so I only play a few seasons on each game, so having it on release day is less important, I may even skip a season now and then.

I also see the last few years, they have been putting a lot of work into areas I don't really care about:

- 2D pitch

- 3D pitch

- Press confs / match day experience

- Agents

- Feeder / parent teams

While a lot of thing I do care about still seems to be exactly the same as 10 years ago. ( AI team building / finances / facilities mgmt / CA-PA system / ..)

So maybe I'll even just decide to skip versions till I see one of the areas I'm interested in featured on the improved features list. Who knows. :)

Just to give you an idea: this is the change log for the 8th patch for CM4. Just look at home many 'Crash fixes' still had to be done after 7 patches:

General

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- Fixed “array access out of bounds” crash when controlling a club and nation, and trying to view their squad

- Fixed “array access out of bounds” crash in person search screen

- Fixed transfer offer screen mousewheel crash

- Fixed a rare crash in contract decision news.

- In the team records screen, some fields which did not apply to the nation or club are removed from the view.

- Manager total transfer spending/income now updated

- Manager league wins now updated for leagues decided by a final.

- Fixed obscure crash in manager profile when using the back button

- Made fake player games give players properly balanced physical attributes

- Fixed bug when user right clicks on a nation and goes to any other view apart from the squad view. The game would crash if user then goes to another nation using the see also menu.

- Fixed player enquiry cheat where you could renegotiate terms and the selling team would always accept.

- Added more checks for the saving game process. A dialog should now appear if it fails in any way.

- Fixed two string errors – record transfer fees recieved and person#3 in player conflict news (no manager)

- Fixed transfer screen total fees for foreign currencies

- Fixed job applications so applicatons are withdrawn if manager refused job offer

- Team screen now shows any current squad rules for non human controlled teams.

- Selling team now gets news items for any automatic rejections or acceptances of transfer offers for his players.

- When user rejects an offer for a player, his asking price is only set if it has been changed from the original offer.

- Fixed rare crash in player information section when playing in a foreign language.

- Match attendances now match up in team fixtures information panel and match stats screen.

- The Pedro De Heredia stadium in Colombia had its city set to the Spanish Cartagena instead of the Colombian Cartagena.

- Fixed duplicate entries on All Transfers screen.

- Fixed rare problem with some youth players not being approachable (only available to purchase)

- Made weather more variable

- A player’s arranged future transfer date was been displayed wrongly on his profile screen.

- If a manager takes control of a reserve team and has asked a scout to look at next opposition, he will no longer get 2 news items for each of the teams.

- International job applications now flagged as “applied” on Job Information screen

- International job applications now generate a confirmation news item

- Disabled offering new contract to players who’ve announced a retirement

- When a message is sent to all human managers, the person who sent it now doesn’t receive it as well.

- Increased maximum wage for key players slightly if a club has a large wage budget available.

- Attendance label on match screen was being hidden for the first half of extra time.

- Stopped job offers from lower reputation teams if you havn’t applied for them.

- Fixed news text for player welcoming signing when ‘ would appear.

- Ensured when using “BOOST_TEAM” command that cash/bank balance matches transfer funds.

- Stopped sacked national managers from getting appointed again.

- Lowered amount of upper body injuries recieved by outfield players

- Prevented rehabilitation injury being incorrectly assigned to a player

- International team captains should now be set properly.

- Matches no longer show a full highlight for substitutions.

- Ensured players who get coaching badges have properly set abilities

- Ensured non_players who are listed as reserve coaches can’t be approached to sign when at your club

- Ensured non_players who are on players wages get a reality check on demands when coming to the end of thier contract and start decreasing their demands.

- Fixed match cheat involving goalkeepers.

- Fixed bug when a team selection would sometimes be forgotten when tactics are edited.

- Removed squad numbers for Brazil.

- Make top clubs slightly more aggressive in transfer dealings

- Increase transfer activity slightly in low reputation leagues.

- Team of the year award news would sometimes mention players who were not picked for the award.

- Keyboard shortcuts are now disabled when the game is processing.

- Tweak transfer budgets slightly for minor clubs

- Future transfers now work properly on reserve/youth team screens.

- If a player/assistant manager is relegated to the reserve team, the manager options screen still recognises him as an assistant manager.

- Team screen now remembers fixtures and past transfers years when you navigate back to the screen.

- Ensured Klinnsman/Cruijff type nonplayers have “Pundit” displayed as job

- Stopped squad status appearing on non_player profile screen

- Fixed selecting part time option on contract offer screen

- Stopped players accepting reduced contract if offering part time contracts

- Stopped assistant managers from offering part time contracts when not appropriate

- Players going on loan are now removed from the tactics of the team they are going on loan from.

- Stopped players involved in draft/all star teams from having their values set to 0.

- Changed ” has apologised to…” jaded string to “{upper} has apologised to…”

- Teams going on tour now invite teams to away matches only and not home matches.

- Fixed time at club bug for cpu managers

- Stopped new signing pleased to work under esteemed manager news from appearing for new unproven human managers.

- Fixed some stadium problems with a couple of teams from Uruguay and Palmira from Colombia.

- Selling team now gets news when a player rejects a contract from a buying team.

- Stats on the match screen are now only updated when there is no commentary showing.

- Fixed bug where human managers find it hard to get jobs abroad even when they are very successful in thier home nation.

- Slightly ammended next match odds by decreasing the impact home advantage has.

- Fixed the wrong order for teams in start of season league title/promotion odds news item.

- Stopped human managers getting repeated job offers from same team when on holiday.

- Fixed the Roy Keane unhappiness bug where you couldn’t respond to his second moan until it has processed his first moan.

- Stopped players who have just joined a club from moaning straight away.

- Stopped human from recieving offers with next sale percentages which are not multiples of 10.

- Re-worked post-match news that informed you of shock results and major games.

- Adjusted formula used for displaying board reaction to result news.

- Altered ‘Heading’ training regime to make it more accurate to description

- Increase number of youth players retained by assistant managers

- Improve weather forcasting

- Fixed updating of potential value of transfer on transfer offer screen when choosing fee per game (max games).

- Adjusted formula for displaying board pleased with competition news.

- Fixed problem with players who play for clubs that have ‘b’ teams in inactive leagues and were being given stats for the ‘b’ teams.

- Stopped players out on loan from appearing in your squad as fans favourite players.

- Added some minor speed improvements.

- Stopped sold players having old club’s interested in them straight away.

- Stopped availability being shown for non players if no availability to show.

- If an exchanged player accepts a contract but the transfer falls through, he can now be offered to other clubs and be offered a contract.

- Fixed date for Chinese FA Cup top goalscorer award

- Adjusted feedback from players linked with transfer moves.

- Stopped friendly competitions from being reported on using match report news.

- Stopped international managers from getting appointed to the same job every week.

- Reduced slow down whilst the game is processing retirements.

- Match screen no longer shows duplicate penalty miss events.

- When a human manager resigns from a nation, his scout searches for his club team are not deleted.

- Total goals conceded player stats for goalkeepers are now calculated correctly.

- Fxed bug where players could not be called up to the national squad, despite the fact that they were short of players.

- Fixed TV money for the first season

- Fixed bug where playing history for a team and it’s amateur/B side were being recorded as one and the same

- Fixed problem where clubs with 2 managers set in the database had one “hidden” manager still contracted when you took over.

This led to the human manager losing control when the hidden manager’s contract expired.

- Added functionality to allow the human user to not save down his news items whilst saving, this is useful if the human is having problems with rogue news items that need a response but are unrespondable, or otherwise wants to get rid of the backlog of news items.

To use this feature, just save the game as ‘cm4_strip_news’ (you will recieve a warning dialog when saving and when loading – just press ‘ignore’ ) Upon next restore, the game will load up without any news items.

Scouts & Searches

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- When signing a scout, any current scout searches are now not cleared down.

- When a completely unknown player is scouted, it now unlocks some of his attributes in his profile.

- Deleting players from a long shortlist now works properly.

- If a scout signs a new coaching contract for a club, he is removed from the player search screen.

- Fixed bug in player/scout search where player attributes were reported as beng different to what they actually are.

- Scout reports should now always be filled out properly and not just show a full stop

- Stopped human from knowing value of hidden attribute by sorting on them in person search screen

- Cleared previous managers shortlisted players once human takes over new club

Player Happiness

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- Fixed problem where player morale would drop to “very Poor” after matches.

- Improved the information given out by ‘Jaded’ to indicate the cause and relationship for this.

- Stop players getting upset so often when negotiating contracts

- Reduced number of players complaining about lack of squad size.

Training

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- Fixed mix-up between “No match” and “Preseason” training schedules on overiew tab.

Competitions:

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- Fixed Argentine foreigner rules(now 4 foreigner limit in match day squad, rather than in overall squad).

- Fixed ranking levels problem in Swiss league(teams at top of relegaton division were being treated as top overall etc)

- Welsh Premier cup fixtures now show up in fixture lists for Welsh teams playing in the English league.

- Fixed Welsh Cup 4th Round date.

- MLS scheduling now does not clash with All-Stars date.

- All Star matches and MLS Combine matches are always played in full now.

- MLS squad numbers submission date fixed.

- African World Cup qualifying was getting played without some of the top nations.

- Spanish loans can now last for entire season.

- Fixed PrePreLibertadores results screen crash.

- Fixed a bug in the Norwegian discipline rules.

- Players ineligible for European games due to having played for another team cannot be picked.

- Tuned attendance for low reputation Cup finals such as the Charity Shield

- Lowered attendances in Hong-Kong league slightly

- Super cup/draft combine fixtures always appear now on todays fixtures screen.

- Dates of end of season award are now chosen better.

- Fixed MLS monthly awards.

- Japanese Emperors Cup should now be played every year.

- PrePreLibertadores cup now is scheduled properly for the 2nd year.

- Ukrainian fixtures now just allow 3 subs from 7.

- Teams in top Swiss league can no longer be expected to win promotion.

- For teams finishing 3rd in the first European Champions League qualifying stage, their continental cup is now set to UEFA Cup instead of showing up as None.

- Finnish Premier Top Goalscorer award now works properly.

- Finnish cup winner now qualifies for UEFA Cup.

- Argentine teams for Panamerican Cup from 2003 onwards are picked properly.

- Dutch team of the week awards now work properly.

- Fixed Portuguese Man of the Match award not picking player who got the most MoM’s during the season

- Changed Germany/Austria to be limited to no more than 5 non-EC players

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FM13 was the first ever CM/FM I bought on the release year, let alone the release day. Was a pretty keep reminder why I hadn't done that before, and why I'll never do it again.

Edit: Don't want to sound overly negative because I love these games, but buying them later saves you both headaches and money. ;)

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I even feel slim to no effort has been put into the update of player Attributes. Which is something i noticed last 3 FM games, the database has been very much the same.
If you say this years version is the worst ever, surely you're joking or never played CM4.

That version had tons of patches and basically needed 2-3 years before it had a game which was fun to play and didn't have many show stopping bugs.

Both CM4 and CM4 03/04 where terrible, from ME to database almost everything about it was just plain bad. When you compare database then and now it's simply incredible how much it improved, especially in last few years. Researchers are doing an incredible job, current database is a marvel. It's simply the best part of the game.

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Last CM/FM I bought on release date was CM3.

Then I learnt it was better waiting to grab a cheaper copy (either second hand or from the "nice price" bin), as I could easily play the older iteration well into the following year.

But back then it was a time when bugs were less glaring, or probably we, the customers, were younger and less experienced, so it was a matter of "it's fine the way it is" (a sentiment still very much present among many fans in here as well, despite facts hinting otherwise).

Anyway, back to topic, I disagree SI "had" to rush the new ME... If it wasn't reasonably ready, there was no need to implement it in the half-baked form just to be able to promote it as a huge news. It does more harm than good, and it proved to be a very debatable decision.

Sure, some minor issues have to be expected in every piece of software, but when many key areas are already well past their ideal shelf life, some others are clearly showing their age and some more are stuck in a limbo, untouched, year after year, maybe it'd be better focusing on transitioning those aspects into the 2010s instead of keeping on giving the Nth coat of fresh paint, plus some bells and whistles, on something that needs rebuilding.

So no, I haven't bought FM on release date in ages and if I was ever sure it was NOT the case of getting it, FM2013 was the most obvious case.

The demo itself was a great indicator of what we were getting, so it was THE dealbreaker...

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Of course I'll get it on release. It's a great game. My money's going to Sports Interactive and they deserve it, without them we wouldn't have FM.

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For the past 5 years it has been release day... but not anymore.

I am no longer willing the be a paying beta tester.

I don't go to a restaurant, ask for a steak, get a cow and spend the nexr hour eating it alive while they try to kill it and cook at the same time, all that while asking me "is it good now?".

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Almost definitely, for all that I have probably played it less this year due to ME frustrations, I still have 140 hours logged.

I paid £19 for FM 13, if I never touch the game again I've had 140 hours of entertainment for 13p per hour.

The game IS in a poorer state than usual , however , there seems to be a desire to put the boot in to SI rather than contribute to bugs forums and feedback threads (constructively).

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however , there seems to be a desire to put the boot in to SI rather than contribute to bugs forums and feedback threads (constructively).

Always been the way, tbf most games forums are similar but the vitriol here is as bad as I've seen.

But back on topic, I don't buy any game on release day, haven't for years, purely because I know it won't be perfect and I'll get a better game and better value by waiting a bit.

FM of course is different because I'm involved with it but I wouldn't critciise anybody for doing as I do with other games.

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I'll definately buy it on release date. Then i'll be an idiot and look on SI forum and read about all the "bugs" in the game which will in turn make me not play the game until last patch is released even though most of them are completely made up.

I shouldn't listen to the masses but it's a weakness of mine...peer pressure i call it :rolleyes:

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I'll definately buy it on release date. Then i'll be an idiot and look on SI forum and read about all the "bugs" in the game which will in turn make me not play the game until last patch is released even though most of them are completely made up.

I shouldn't listen to the masses but it's a weakness of mine...peer pressure i call it :rolleyes:

Ha. Makes two of us mate

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This is the first year I've posted in GD when buying the game. It is the first year I've noticed a lot of 'bugs' in the game. Previous years I've stuck to the tactical and team guide forums. I have to say reading everything here has only highlighted a lot of bugs that I'd have otherwise been oblivious to. A friend of mine bought this game the same day as me. When I asked him how he was coping with all the bugs he asked 'what bugs'. Even now, on 13.2.1 I asked him how he was getting on with stupid dribbles etc. and he hadn't really noticed anything out of the ordinary. I really do think that coming here and reading all the problems people are posting really does make you think that things are worse than they are. You start looking for bugs rather than just playing the game.

I know there are bugs, and SI have held their hands up, but I think people are taking away their own enjoyment of the game by reading about the problems with it. Anyway, in my experience you're less likely to see these things if you don't read about them. I'll still buy on release day, because my friends all buy it on release day and I don't want to be left out.

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This is the first year I've posted in GD when buying the game. It is the first year I've noticed a lot of 'bugs' in the game. Previous years I've stuck to the tactical and team guide forums. I have to say reading everything here has only highlighted a lot of bugs that I'd have otherwise been oblivious to. A friend of mine bought this game the same day as me. When I asked him how he was coping with all the bugs he asked 'what bugs'. Even now, on 13.2.1 I asked him how he was getting on with stupid dribbles etc. and he hadn't really noticed anything out of the ordinary. I really do think that coming here and reading all the problems people are posting really does make you think that things are worse than they are. You start looking for bugs rather than just playing the game.

I know there are bugs, and SI have held their hands up, but I think people are taking away their own enjoyment of the game by reading about the problems with it. Anyway, in my experience you're less likely to see these things if you don't read about them. I'll still buy on release day, because my friends all buy it on release day and I don't want to be left out.

Exactly. I thought CM4 was good on release day!

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I paid £19 for FM 13, if I never touch the game again I've had 140 hours of entertainment for 13p per hour.

If you count as "fun" all the time spent trying to overcome some of the game's cumbersome bits, yes... Probably the net count of fun hours is lower...

The game IS in a poorer state than usual , however , there seems to be a desire to put the boot in to SI rather than contribute to bugs forums and feedback threads (constructively).

I disagree...

From my experience on this boards, even at the highest of the "worst FM ever!" phase, most of those who criticize FM, SI and SEGA do it out of passion.

I can speak for myself, I've been raising issues in the bugs forum for years just to see things stay more or less the same in many areas. Even some of the data issues have been raised patch after patch, yet again the same questionable (or plain wrong) decisions have been made confirmed every single time.

I can see how our idea of development and their needs as a business being somewhat different, but at some point in time the differences will become too big and something gotta give. And in this case, it's not-fully-satisfied customers deciding to postpone the purchase or to scrap it altogether

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Probably will buy on release again. Surely if the development of the current engine is ongoing until FM 14, then it will be a much better iteration than 13's release.

As regards the business side of people not buying on release, If a percentage delay buying, is it not actually better for SI as they get a more even spread of profit /income?

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I stopped buying the game on release when SI stopped releasing a Vanilla Demo. I always made my decision on buying the game on release day based on playing the demo. I'm not downloading a demo containing all the badges, etc... which I don't need to test out the game. So I wait until the game gets to under £15 before buying.

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Wasn't going to this year it was only because I could start as The Hammers in the Premier League I did. Probably wait till January next year. Always get fed up tinkering and restarting and never really get a long term game going until the final patch comes out although that's the same for every FM not just this one!

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I don't think i will buy the game again, and even if i do it will be after 3rd patch.This year's fiasco with the stadium crash has made me lost faith in SI.

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I have always believed the the CM/FM series goes through 3 year cycles and end with peak titles (CM97/98, CM01/02, CM4 03/04, FM08 and FM12). I really haven't enjoyed watching the 3D highlights in FM13. All the new features are great but if the match is not watchable then it really ruins the experience for me and I have gone back to FM12. This is the first time I have ever gone back to play another version and I have been playing since CM93. SI will get it right but it will take time and maybe another two versions to have the game perfect again.

Great to hear your thoughts

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