Caleyjag Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 We have to manually approve all changes people submit. We'll check against news websites, transfermarkt etc. The site also detects if someone has already submitted the same change, so it doesn't cause any problems with duplicate entries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidji Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 It is quite annoying that ID thing though, finding all the ID's takes time and when trying to do Norways transfers I found finding them a pain in the ass as it takes up most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Turn them on in the game. Easy to find I'm updating the forms today/over the weekend so it'll auto-fill the fields based on what you type. So if you start to type in a team name and you select it from the drop down as you type it'll fill in the full name and ID for you. This will only work for players/staff/clubs that we've got information for however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 grats!!! bump :applause: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 We're trying to keep it as simple as possible for people to submit things. So the less work they have to do, the more likely they will submit something. The Free Agent option will release a player (it'll only show current club name/id fields). I'll make this a bit more obvious though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmastermind124 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I know what you mean by keeping it simple. A link could be optional and save you time trying to figure out if the transfer has actually happened or not. Just my 2p! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilavinis Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Two questions - first, what if I have no idea about the wages a player will be receiving at this new club, do I just estimate what would be realistic? And second, if a player's transfer went through in January, do I put the contract start date as though the transfer would have gone through in the summer window? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share Posted February 10, 2013 Yeah, estimate it, we'll still attempt to verify it as best we can. If the transfer went through in January, put it as though it happened last summer (2012). So usually 1st July 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 We all appreciate the hard work that goes into FM Data Updates. I know from speaking to some people on here and other sites the amount of hours that are put in almost every day to make sure nothing is missed. I feel though, that it's time we set these people free and allowed them to enjoy the game more by proposing that we collectively create a data update using hundreds, perhaps thousands of people like ourselves to maintain it.I've been working on a web-based tool that allows ANYONE to help create a data update. You don't need any editor knowledge, you don't need webspace to host your changes, or email it to me etc. etc. It's all done as a form on a website. All you need to do is turn on ID's in your game. It's going to offer 5 different options for you to update: Transfer - This is player and/or staff. You can set them as a free agent, transfer to another club, or move a player on loan. Contracts - Update contracts for staff/players Positions - Alter player position attributes (1-20) for all positions (GK, AML, ST, WB etc.) Injuries - Add injuries to players Bans - Add bans to players Staff Roles - Change staff roles (make a person Manager, Chairman, U23 GK Coach etc.) Once the change has been submitted, it gets verified and is then INSTANTLY available in the data update. The update doesn't get released once a month, fortnightly or whatever. It's constantly updated and the updated file is what you end up downloading - even if a change was approved 5 seconds ago, it'll appear in your download. Here's the process: 1. Select the type of update you want to perform 2. Fill out the form (in this instance, place a player on loan) 3. See your changes in our LIVE changelist It's so simple this should have been done a LONG time ago. Here's where you guys come in though. I need people who are interested in updating the game, not just for themselves, but for everyone. The tool is almost complete, and once/if SI release their own data update, this will be up and running to build on top of that. If you're interested in helping out with this, let me know in here. Cheers guys Hi Caley, I've been updating FM as long as I can remember. I did it for my own games, contributed any soccer news I could find to almost every major update topic (Weegie, Forbsie's, etc) in these forums, created an "semi official update topic" and am now part of the Weegie team as a scout. I know what a lot of work updating is. So I find this is a very very good idea. And can one really choose what changes are downloaded? So if I only want transfers, because I use a superleague, or only want promotions/relegations, because I do my own transfers, that would be possible? If so: Wow. Great! What will happen if 20+ people will make the same transfer in the database? Or if 20+ people are editing at the same time? Will it get corrupt, or is there a failsave? This could be one of the best ideas contributing to the update community ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'm bumping this up as the tool will have it's own dedicated website now. It'll work exactly the same as the opening post describes. Anyone can submit changes, all you need is a Steam account (prevents abuse) and anyone can download it (there is no restriction in what you download, you'll ALWAYS get the latest update). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I take it the website will launch when the game is released? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 When is the data locked? When the BETA is released? If so, it'll be live then, so people can submit data changes straight away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennymc Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 What a great idea, I'll keep an eye on this one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 The site is now live http://liveupdate.me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL94x4 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Just submitted quite a bit of information regarding my supported club (Sheffield United) and also a few free agents transferred to clubs they've just signed for, Carlton Cole & Shaun Jeffers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Excellent, I'll go through it all just now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 There are now over 50 data changes ready for download. Thanks to everyone who has submitted stuff so far. If you want to see what is included in the update, click the big number in the middle of the site, it'll then filter changes by club (you can select by type if you prefer). All English club loan signings for this month are included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flogside Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 This is a fantastic idea, so good im surprised its not been done before. Well done Caleyjag and to anyone who contributes, its massively appreciated by myself and im sure MANY others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Thanks flogside, I'll be looking into additional download options over the next week or so. It'll mean you can leave out loans, or injuries, or changes to stats or whatever you like. You'll get to select what type of update you download. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halil85 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 1-Milos Krasic loan Bastia (Italy) wrong Milos Krasic loan SC Bastia ( France ) 2-Kalu Uche transfer El-Jaish Sports Club ( Qatar ) 01.10.2013 Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 1. - That's what we have. 2. - Feel free to submit any changes to the site. That's what it's there for after all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halil85 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Milos Krasic loan Bastia (Italy) in the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freyyr Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 How did you make the update whitout the editor ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 halil85 - I apologise, it wasn't clear in your post. I thought you were saying Bastia (Italy) was wrong. I'll amend the update. Freyyr - The editor uses an XML file, I just created the XML file using a website, and web forms in place of the editors own input fields. it took a little research how to do it, but the entire thing is web based. The only thing the game or the editor is used for is to get ID's if the site doesn't already have them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halil85 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 halil85 - I apologise, it wasn't clear in your post. I thought you were saying Bastia (Italy) was wrong. I'll amend the update. Yes it is true you did it right, thank you Kalu Uche is Kasimpasa player in the game but tranfer to El-Jaish Sports Club ( Qatar ) 01.10.2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Feel free to add the change to the site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan A Wadge Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Just an idea, since the data in the beta isn't final, wouldn't it have been better if you waited till the demo's database is out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 It crossed my mind too Alan, however as the website itself is at an early stage, using the BETA period of the game in order to test the website seemed a good idea. There's also the fact that there are no other updates available apart from on the website, so it's giving it some great exposure as people are linking to and discussing it. It needs people to visit so they may contribute - after all, the idea of the site is that it shares the burden of creating updates. The BETA period is the ideal time to raise awareness of the site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan A Wadge Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I see makes sense. What will happen once the final official database is launched? Will you start a new file? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 I'll see, it could well be that some things are missed when the final game is released, so the update as it stands might still be worth leaving intact, and building upon. If there are duplicate entries I'd assume the game would ignore them anyway. BUT, as it's all web based, I can add the option to ignore pre-BETA updates if people want that facility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan A Wadge Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Another option is to merge the two. Unless there are thousands of updates pre-final release which will make it impossible and very time consuming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan A Wadge Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Than again, very well done for the idea! I will be looking forward to help keep it updated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oguzcan11 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 There will be someone outlier who abuses this consistently, then data will be changed? for example, he makes the transfer of ronaldo from real madrid to olympiakos, and we created a new game with that database. What could we do then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL94x4 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 There will be someone outlier who abuses this consistently, then data will be changed?for example, he makes the transfer of ronaldo from real madrid to olympiakos, and we created a new game with that database. What could we do then? From my understanding, the changes need to be manually accepted before going onto the downloadable database, obviously the people who "approve" updates will look for a source to say X player has moved, if one isn't found then the change won't be approved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I couldnt log in on Steam so im writing here folks if someone cares that thanks him Ismael Sosa is not player of Gaziantepspor anymore. He is gone to Universitad Catolica already Suleyman Ozdamar also is. He plays for Altay (Turkey) now. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikopol Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 How it did not see that before. Brilliant idea, will definetly contribute to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 As JL94x4 says, what happens is that I need to approve the change. If I can not find evidence of the change online, then it gets rejected. If people abuse the system and waste my time by submitting false information, then I can block them from doing so due to everyone needing to login via Steam to submit anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Douglas Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Dick Advocaat appointed AZ Alkmaar manager until end of season. I did try to log this change on the update system but failed. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11912/8975075/eredivisie-az-alkmaar-appoint-dick-advocaat-as-their-new-coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 It's on the site approved now, what happened to make it fail? You should have had a notification to say it's pending approval (black box appears, top right of website) once you submitted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Douglas Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 It was a mistake I made !! Many thanks for your live updates !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruyff14 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 This is a great idea, well done on creating this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL94x4 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 My only concern is, what happens if there is an immediate flood of activity, for example in January, and 2,000 changes need approving within 3-4 hours, would one person be able to manage that or will you need to get more people on board to help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 When activity picks up, I'll add more people to the site to help maintain it. I'll also be asking for a website for proof of transfer/contract changes that'll speed things up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I'm always on hand to help out if needed during the busy periods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 We've now got filters in place, so you can now pick and choose what type of changes you want included in the download. All you need to do is click the big down arrow on the download button, select what you want/don't want, then hit Download. Of course, I would recommend that you select Contracts when you choose Transfers. The update will work without it, but won't be as accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
css_matt Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Sounds amazing, I will defo use when the time comes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 I'm planning on creating a small Windows app that'll auto-download the latest version every 24 hours or so, so you won't even need to visit the website to keep your game updated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnieeQ Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 My game has not been updated for some reason? Ive tried starting a new game 3 times, still the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babak G Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Is there someone who vets all the inputted data to ensure they're correct/valid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 UnieeQ - Did you place the file in the correct place? This only applies to the full FM2014 game, not FM Classic. Babak G - Yes, all submissions are manually checked over before being approved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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