Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 19, 2012 Administrators Share Posted December 19, 2012 With the release of the latest update for Football Manager 2013, as always we're interested in hearing all your thoughts in regards to theMatch Engine , so please keep it all in here. Changelist is below. Here are some other links you may find useful. 13.2 Released - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...l-Manager-2013 FM13 FAQ - http://www.sigames.com/faq/fm13.php FM13 Bugs Forum - http://community.sigames.com/forumdisplay.php/291 All non-match engine feedback here please - http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/339003-*Official*-Football-Manager-2013-13.2-Constructive-non-ME-Feedback-Thread Also please read this before posting - http://community.sigames.com/showthr...nd-Forum-Rules. Thanks. MATCH ENGINE (v 1324) More improvements to on ball decision making and pass choice Improved central midfielder starting position when team is in possession Tweaked midfielder and attacker positions when team is defending Fixed a couple of bugs causing players to fail to turn to face required direction properly Improved facing direction of player marking opponent who is moving onto a pass Fixed bug allowing players being able to partially "go through" other players to get ball without being penalised Small tweaks to improve the way players move onto passes or loose balls Reduced some instances of closing down of keeper when clearly illogical in context of player and his instructions Cleaned up a few bugs that delayed retrieval of ball at set pieces or kick offs A bunch of ball physics fixes mainly related to collisions and ball spin after bounce Reduced slightly unrealistic ball to player deflections More improvements to pass choice AI Tweaks to run with ball and first touch AI Reduced tackles that end in own goals Some tweaks to basic central midfielder positions Fixed some dodgy marking at mid pitch free kicks Improved full back positioning when waiting for short keeper distribution Improved near and far post corner aim point Some further ball physics fixes and refinements Fixed goal not always given if ball stops just over goal line Fixed some rare instances of player collision avoidance failing Further refinements to pass AI Improved pass, shot or header accuracy logic Further improvements to player reactions to the ball Fixed defences staying to deep just after corner taken Refined player positioning when defending free kicks from wide Made players press more collectively and aggressively when required Improved positioning of defenders against attackers running at pace Refined tackling AI a bit Improved facing direction while marking opponent around own area Fixed some more keeper AI bugs Improved collision avoidance AI slightly Fine tuned ball trajectory chosen by player for kick, header etc. Fine tuned kick and header accuracy logic Fine-tuned pass and general on ball AI Tuned long shot frequency and AI Toned down pressing slightly in certain situations Improved marking and engagement of ball player in wide areas Tuned tackling AI further Couple of small fixes to player reactions Fixed some small player pathing anomalies Fixed a couple of goalkeeper AI anomalies Improved marking and engagement of ball player further Fixed some instances of risky keeper distribution Fine-tuned kick/header accuracy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Pacino Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Will my current tactics be massively affected by this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Michael Burling Posted December 19, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted December 19, 2012 Will my current tactics be massively affected by this? It really depends on your tactic. Some tactics will be more affected than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Pacino Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I guess there's only one way to find out I'm delighted by the change list though and can't wait to see the ME in action. Will give proper feedback later (when I get the time to play a few matches). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The first change is pretty obvious to me so far: there are more shots in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Damn you releasing this when im stuck in work! I timed it perfectly, just away to start a new season tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakaveliPT Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just started my next season yesterday on a new save so this is just in time, hope it doesn't disrupt my tactic much although if it improves the game generally that's a small price to pay. There's no need to start a new game right? since there's no db changes. Will give some feedback later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 First game vs Utd (I'm Spurs) : 18 shots for me 30 for them. I was playing about as defensive as a Spurs side can get , hope it's not a sign of things to come. Players decision making also seemed a little weird, especially defenders. Will continue to monitor though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Michael Burling Posted December 19, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted December 19, 2012 First game vs Utd (I'm Spurs) : 18 shots for me 30 for them.I was playing about as defensive as a Spurs side can get , hope it's not a sign of things to come. Players decision making also seemed a little weird, especially defenders. Will continue to monitor though. That's way above the average we have for shots at the moment according to our stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancy Gaffot Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I've had a game going (Liverpool - United), but got excited by the patch and alt-f4'd to update. Replayed it with the patch; The amount of shots was the same (12-7) The amount of long shots reduced (4-2) Distance run increased (I seem to remember having 102-104 km usually, this game both team ran more than 125 km) My keeper made 14 passes out of 33 despite having instruction to play it short My defender conceded a penalty and his rating was 5.8 in the end, finally I'll see some defenders with low ratings. My AM got a 8.4 rating despite not scoring or assisting, but he made 51 out of 56 passes, 9 tackles (more than my defenders) and 15 runs past opponents, must be my FM record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 As always folks, please give it a good bashing before arriving at conclusions and don't expect to create a "wins every game" tactic but if you actually do then report it as a bug please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Improved near and far post corner aim point I already concede way too many near post corner goals. Hope this doesn't increase it. Looking forward to seeing the feedback as won't get to play this now until Saturday. Have fun, guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynny Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm seeing a bit of 'bunching' by my players in matches as they all move to close down a player, leaving other players open. Will continue playing and monitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie McMahon's Secret Lover Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 As always folks, please give it a good bashing before arriving at conclusions and don't expect to create a "wins every game" tactic but if you actually do then report it as a bug please Not likely! And I won't be putting it up in the downloadable tactics section either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakaveliPT Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ok so first of all, some of this feedback might actually be related to how my tactics react to the new ME rather than general, i won't know until i play some more games especially since i'm on pre season and the tactics are not fluid yet. Overall.. Will give + to what i think it's positive, - to negative and ? to i need more games to decide. +Players seem to be way more aware of the ball and the opposition, they react way quicker and more realistic. +Tackling is now a joy to watch, i was stressing about this before as i'm playing with newcastle and with Cabaye, Anita, Tioté, Ayew and Naingollan seeing such strong Midfield been ripped apart as giving me headaches. +DM/D role no longer seems just another player on the pitch, tioté had an average of 6.9 through the last season, he nows does amazing tacklings and way more involved on the defense. +Throw ins no longer give the opposition a throw in due to passing failure half the time. +Players no longer press keepers like crazy when a pass is done back to the keeper. +Keepers no longer seem to be nervous all the time, handling the ball more calmly being pressed. +Players seem less prone to stupid passes and mistakes that give away possession. +Keepers still do some weak crosses but it seems to only happen when they are being pressed which seems quite reasonable. (This might be due to the fact that i use a sweeper, plus his kick is not very good) +CD's no longer think the ball is on fire, getting rid of it asap even tho' if it means giving possession away, they will now keep it and try to get a passing line. +I no longer shake and tremble and close my eyes every time there's a corner against me +Faults inside the area seem now more regularly to be offensive faults rather than defensive ones, this tells me defenders overall are now my conservative not doing insane penalties for nothing. +KEEPERSSSSSSSSSSS ?Wingbacks seem crazy attacking but more than that selfish now. My wingbacks are now cutting inside from the midfield, running the whole pitch ignoring my IF's, overall they are well more involved in the game but it seems WB/A seems more useful now if you are not playing with wingers, otherwise you might see some selfish actions. (I got Corchia and Baines, don't get me wrong, it's actually beautiful to see, although strange). ?Seems that the CD rushes even more to press the opposition wingers even when my WB is already pressing close on him, i understand he'd do this if the WB then moved to the CD position, or if the WB couldn't recover his position, this is alarming me a bit as it seems that a player with the PPM "likes to change flanks" might be a killer here. ?I have had plenty success last season with a TM along with 2 IF's, managed to sell Cissé for 43M to juventus (couldn't think of a better team for him) and got my hands on Cavani, now, Cavani is not a regular TM but neither was Cissé and he did fine, although the TM role now seems more involved in plays he also seems to get rid of the ball quicker with short passes even if he's on an attack role, this seems to be fine but it seems a less attacking role more useful along with a second striker, might have to change my tactics here. ?AP/A role now seems to play on the flanks more often, nothing to be concerned about as he did some good plays doing this, still, he's doing it more often than i'd like. -Lack of communication still between the keeper and the CD's, i keep seeing my CD's going for the ball in keepers area without any danger close, this on the previous versions led to plenty OG's which no longer seem to happen as while they don't communicate as much as i'd like, CD's seem more passive attacking the ball if the keeper is in position to get it. Again, i can't stress enough, this feedback some of which tactic related might be my own truth due to my tactics, plus i haven't done enough games to be sure about some of the things here described, overall, i do think this forums will calm down massively after this patch as it's been simply a joy to watch so far. Think i can now say, Good work SI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabregas_04 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I've played 3 games since the patch and have so far scored 17 goals and had 75 attempts at goal. They were all home games that I'd be expected to win, but even so.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobita Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 just saw the list, nothing about crosses, ghost goals and injures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I've played 3 games since the patch and have so far scored 17 goals and had 75 attempts at goal. They were all home games that I'd be expected to win, but even so.... Your point... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez007 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just a quickie... How big is the patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluelion10 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just a quickie... How big is the patch? 91 MB if I remember correctly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris21 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just a quickie... How big is the patch? 91mb I think it was. Something like that anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 91mb Edit : Beaten, twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez007 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Cheers ... All 3 of you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widzew Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm stuck at work right but im delighted this has come out a day before im off work until the 27! Perfect timing SI! Can't wait to get home! AHHH 6 more hours to go and another hour drive home... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabregas_04 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Your point... No, I'm going to let you put your brain to use and work it out yourself. I'll give you a clue. You might have to read up a few posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam jameson Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Hi, maybe a stupid question...I'd like very much reading the feedback before pdating the game, and in the meantime play with 13.1.3...is it possible? have to put steam offline? or update is forced when launching the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendhondt Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 My 1st feeling about the ME : The 1st thing I feel is now, players run with the ball too much. They keep the ball, run run run.. and run again. They have 2 or 3 oppenents on their back but nothing change, they run... for what result ? Often for nothing. They lose the ball with a poor pass and a very poor cross. Crossing. this is the 2nd point : I do not use wingers, so this is not so important for me (only my wing back cross) but I can fell that from the AI : Players cross differently now. The ball is going very high ( I am sorry for my poor level in eglish) probably because they runed too much with the ball and are tired. the result : there is no danger at all for the keeper (but I agree to tell it can be a danger for an english GK because everything is dangerous for them :-p lol). Before, the ME was too much BARCELONA kind (100000 passes), and now this is more CR7 kind (run with the ball). I will be happy to choose myself that kind of thing. But the ME do it for me. I will play more and if I feel I was wrong, I'll come back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cycstorm Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Only a few games so far but there seems to be LOTS more shots and goals. Also, the running with the ball seems a bit ridiculous as previously mentioned. Many times a game I now get my AM players picking the ball up around the center circle and just blazing a trail into the opposition penalty area or diagonally wide to the byline. I am pleased to see much less of the hugely annoying tendency for players to dribble along the byline and slam it into the side netting when there are three players in the penalty area looking for a cutback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTLUFC Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 started a new save and played through a few friendlies and i'm liking it. one major thing I've noticed is that free kicks are flying in, i can't remember my team scoring free kicks before the update, i thought it was down to my poor players, now i'm scoring one a game. cant decided if this is positive or negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikulec Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 One thing I've noticed is that trajectory of crosses seems much more realistic now, I enjoy watching the ball flying into the area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancy Gaffot Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Giving pep talk to 3 subs at once still changes players' reaction even if you talk to another one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujigatame Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Mostly looks solid so far but how can they not have fixed the issue with guys running down the goal line into the post and trying to score from an impossible angle? C'mon guys!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merdain Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just patched up to 13.2. Prior to the patch i was top of the prem with 32 games played. Going into the first game as usual, playing Man City away so apply a slightly more defensive approach (which has been quite successful) After 30 minutes Man city have had 27 shots and i am 5-0 down. I end up losing 9-0 - they have a modest 48 attempts on goal. Tactic suicide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaLaDiN Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 So I have played 10 matches and every match I have seen this from both teams..This game needs 100 patches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka_zg Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Lots of goals I agree. Also players running with the ball. Also my wing back Alba who is set to run with the ball often is doing crazy runs in the centre of pitch,cutting inside,taking shots..I mean he isfeking good at it but poor Sanchez on that left side is rarely included. But WB/R who is set to sometimes run with the ball doesn't do it so maybe it has something to do with that.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Anyone else notice that everyone is run happy now ? FB/W/AM's are picking the ball up (for both sides) putting the head down and going on 5 man world cup dribbles ? Think I might be done with this for a year, too many games to play to have to try to game the ME every time there is an update. And Im using a logical , uncomplicated tactic before I get the usual reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whale Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Mm Way too many shots now and too much running with the ball. Last round of premier league matches > 35 shots, 37 shots, 24, 32, 28, 18. The average in real life is c18 I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cycstorm Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 8-1, 5-3, 6-1, 4-2, 5-0...(my last 5 results) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertPage Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 My thoughts after 3 matches.... There is no visual of what is actually going on in the match. I won 2 and lost one (8-0). But all i am seeing is chances coming from individuality. Whether that's a bit of brilliance or a mistake. I have my highlights set to 'extended' but i couldn't tell you why my tactic worked or didn't because everything was about a player doing something magical or terrible. It's been like this throughout this year. With the tactics you simply have to guess with your changes because i am finding it impossible to judge my tactics by what is going on in the match. It's just full of my team making mistakes when i lose and their team making mistakes when i win. Also, pass choices on the ball are still terrible. There has been an obvious simple through ball right in front of them but then they will spread the ball outwide. There has been a simple 5 yard available but they chose to kick it long (even tho passing is set to short) Next, i have a player set to stay at the edge of the area when defending corners but as soon as the corner has been taken he will turn around and run 5 yards towards his own goal for no apparent reason leaving the opposition player free (they are also extremely slow to react when a ball does drop outside the area where as the attacker will be there before the defender moves 5 yards) Constantly 2 or 3 players closing down 1 man even if they are already marking someone which means players are left being un marked (marking is set man to man) In my last game i saw my defender move away from the ball which was 2 yards infront of him to let an attacker 10 yards away from him run in and have a free shot The jumping on this game has always wound me up. Players constantly just jump and will then drift in the air so they can head the ball The angle defenders run at when a pacey attacker is dribbling at them constantly means it's easy for the attacker to get past (you will also see 2 or 3 players chasing the player and leaving massive gaps in the defense) A through ball was just played right in front of my defender only for him to ignore it and run past it for the striker to tap the ball into the back of the net (cos the keeper had come out to close down the player who passed it) My player knocks the ball ahead of him and a defender who is about 2 yards away from it decides to run the other way for my player to continue his run and then get a shot away The keepers passing from open play is inconsistent. I have it set to short and sometimes he will do that and sometimes he will just poorly kick it up the field. The amount of pressure being put on him seems to have little influence I have also set my CB to collect which he does and even tho he is free the goal kicks are going to my other defenders at times but mostly get kicked long I don't expect the game to be perfect but in nearly every highlight i watch there are just blatant flaws in the match engine and the fact tactics show so little in the highlights you do see makes it extremely difficult to play the game Some people have accepted and will continue to accept that this is just the way the game is but personally i will not accept it because when you pay so much for a game you expect it to be of a high standard. All the previous games comfortably reached that standard but this one is just terrible and a lot of work to be done and it looks like the decision to use this match engine has ruined the game and before someone comments with 'it's your tactics' or 'look in the tactics forum for help' i'm having no problem with my tactics and i also replayed the spurs game (when i lost 8-0) and i won 3-1 despite making no changes at all. There is just no consistency with this game. you can find yourself beating Chelsea 4-1 one game and then the next losing 5-0 to Cardiff. You lose 8-0 to spurs, rage quit, play it again with no changes and win 3-1. I just can't make any sense out of this game. It all just seems to random Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Cascao Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 the last update mess up my team talks before the match,i talk to a player and another reacts. i can't play like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsonsclarets Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 played 2 games won 2-0 and 1-0 10 shots and 17 shots to the ai 11 and 6.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudYildiz Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Couldn't read back in the patch notes, but... Is the issue of lack of interest in my players from other clubs fixed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez007 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 For those concerned about the shot counts - http://www.soccerbythenumbers.com/2011/08/shots-and-goals-in-big-4-offensive.html On average, teams across the four leagues took about 13 shots per match (12.96). Real Madrid led the top European leagues at almost 19 (18.9), followed by Inter, Dortmund, Chelsea, and Palermo. At the bottom end, we saw 3 English clubs, with Blackburn, Wolves, and Birmingham who were bottom in Europe at a measly 8.6 shots per match. My first couple of games have looked good: In regards to the ME: Animations seem a lot smoother Defending seems better More coherent passing patterns Better player movement Quite a bit of dribbling, maybe too much Lot more testing to be done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew197 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just won first game of the season 5-1, playing counter attack. Just had 38 shots, 24 on target.. They had 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancy Gaffot Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 My 3 post update matches ended 2-1, 4-1 and 2-0. Number of shots - 12, 18, 20. Seems good to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez007 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Couldn't read back in the patch notes, but...Is the issue of lack of interest in my players from other clubs fixed? You need the non me thread edit - Thanks Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vålerenga Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://bildr.no/image/1346813.jpeg No shame in going back to basics. (FM12 ME) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 19, 2012 Author Administrators Share Posted December 19, 2012 the last update mess up my team talks before the match,i talk to a player and another reacts. i can't play like that. That's not a bug, that's intentional. For example, if you had a go at a player for a awful half, his mate in the dressing room may react in a different way (say he gets angry or wants to play better so his friends bad performance is overlooked). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorando Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Whats up with defenders passing back to my keeper with strikers just waiting to intercept the ball. Conceded 4 goals like that in just 5 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Is anyone else noticing the slightly annoying thing just before a goal is scored? The game basically freezes/pauses ever so slightly,I can tell when there is going to be a goal even before the ball crosses the line,this only happens before a goal and no other time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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