salahoeddin Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 how SI define tax for club. is it just based on income only or profit. if a club made loss every months, so it will be still taxed or not? many clubs in same period got insecure within months. i have got no idea about tax company, but without buying mega money players, the balance should not decline rapidly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraiden Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I've heard this before from people complaining about Italian clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salahoeddin Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 as long the league is playable, there is big chance that many clubs in that league fall into insecure financial state. i am just half season, maybe after full season there will be a lot of clubs declared bankruptcy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's also realistic! Italian economy folks.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 how SI define tax for club. is it just based on income only or profit. if a club made loss every months, so it will be still taxed or not? many clubs in same period got insecure within months. i have got no idea about tax company, but without buying mega money players, the balance should not decline rapidly. Tax is paid regardless of whether you make a profit or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 In FM clubs pay the tax they are supposed to. It's a case of this is our total income and the game works out how much tax the club pay based on the countries tax rate. Whilst as most of us know in real life it very rarely works that way . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cha Cha Cha Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Juventus surely spends too much money on referees so I think the game is realistic... I think SI should seriously look into italian leagues, they are really problematic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmeth Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Juventus surely spends too much money on referees so I think the game is realistic... That is true but it is not yet simulated within FM13. Maybe the next patch will sort it out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Monthly loss's are irrelevent really, its the end of season balance that counts. I lose between £400-600k a month with my aberdeen team, but i clear that with Euro cup qualifcation and prize money at the end of the season. Thats on a smaller scale, with Juve it should be possible to make £30-40M in prize money a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas46 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Of all the Italian clubs Juve are in the best position financially, try managing Inter with that wage bill and loan repayments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 ... with Juve it should be possible to make £30-40M in prize money a season. How? Winning the Italian league makes you 0 credits. They can only get prize money from CL. Winning the CL gives something like £35M in all. The board wants them to finish in at least the quarter final. That's not even £20M if they win all matches (except the quarter final). My numbers might be a bit wrong, as I can't remember what precisely is given in prize money and I don't use English currency in my save so had to do some mathacrobatics. Off course on top of that comes TV money from playing in the CL... But granted Juventus has the best financial background in the Serie A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Could Get Messi Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Isn't the TV money in Italy still stupidly high for the biggest teams? Surely that would resolve the problem over the course of the season. Sorry but you pay tax at whatever club you manage and the more money you have incoming, the more tax you have going out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 30 sul campo. 30 on the pitch. Who complain about referees is a looser, unfortunately Italy is full of football loosers and incompetent referees. image from vecchiasignora.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 My Juventus side get something like £60k per game shown in TV. I'm playing FMC and there you can't see the finances as in full FM. And I can't remember if I'm told in the news that Italian clubs get some money on top of the 60k. But probably they do. Juventus doesn't have a special tv deal. Real Madrid and Barcelona on the other hand get ~£130M a year for their individual tv deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Serie A TV rights picture sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty78 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'm playing Italy and my tax (£6.1m) is larger than my wage bill (£5.6m). I think it is clear that if you want to manage in Italy you'll have to be a selling club to avoid financial ruin. If the figures are all correct, which it appears they are, then it's no wonder Italian club football is falling by the wayside in real life. I'm going to be concentrating on producing my own talent as buying top players is probably always going to be out of reach for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Juventus are one of the most profitable clubs in game as far as I'm aware, so in the words of the recently departed Lance-Corporal Jones 'Don't Panic!'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'm managing Parma soon, so this will be a challenge! they're already in £150m in debt.. But it will suit my method which is to only have Italian players and players from the youth team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Juventus are one of the most profitable clubs in game as far as I'm aware, so in the words of the recently departed Lance-Corporal Jones 'Don't Panic!'. Have you tried to manage them? My economy is fine because I managed to sell players like Pepe, Caseres and Melo for good money. Lots of clubs in Europe do better financially than Juventus. In FM13 that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 i'm still on FM12 so i can't give feedback about FM13; the main reason is that i'm enjoying a db heavely modified. the introduction of real life taxes in FM13 is probably the best feature of the last years, something that really makes this game harder. Italy, until FM12, was unrealistic about finances, the only way to make it better was editor, now, with taxes, many problems are probably solved ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 consider also that Juventus is investing lot of money to complete the area around the new stadium. At the end of 2013, all the area will be completed with a new head office of the club, new training facilities for the first team ("old" one for young teams), hotel (that will be used also by the team before home matches), residence, multiplex cinema, concert arena, etc ... This in addiction to Juventus Museum, Juventus College and "Area12" that already has 60 stores. [video=youtube;PKTjdaYTfH0] Now u know the reasons why people who hate juventus starts to cry if referee do something wrong. If u want further information about the owners of juventus visit this link http://www.exor.com/?p=&s=&id=〈=en Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandolaro Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 How? Winning the Italian league makes you 0 credits. They can only get prize money from CL. Winning the CL gives something like £35M in all. The board wants them to finish in at least the quarter final. That's not even £20M if they win all matches (except the quarter final). My numbers might be a bit wrong, as I can't remember what precisely is given in prize money and I don't use English currency in my save so had to do some mathacrobatics.Off course on top of that comes TV money from playing in the CL... But granted Juventus has the best financial background in the Serie A. Juventus takes something like 80M from Serie A tv rights in the game every year, so does not take only the CL tv rights. Collective TV rights in Serie Aare divided amongst all teams based on this rule. A third equal for all team, a third divided by reputation; last third depend for final position in last league. Italian leagues prizes money set in FM2012 were highly unrealistic/impossible and they were removed. All italian clubs except Juventus, that has property Stadium, lives on their tv rights. Kill Sky, and football in italy will be gone. Add to this the sfortunate austerity program of our Governor, and you will understand why italian teams struggles in finances in FM. Maybe taxation is a little too high, but I'm in some way in contact with SI if something can be perfected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Juventus takes something like 80M from Serie A tv rights that's right, 80ML is more or less the net (after taxes), 103ML is gross. I suppose that database must be set on 103 ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandolaro Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 that's right, 80ML is more or less the net (after taxes), 103ML is gross. I suppose that database must be set on 103 ... It is not set on DB, it is a rule implemented in the game In Italy does no more exist individual TV rights; Lega of Serie A contracts directly them with Sky (our pay TV) and the amount payed will be divided among all Serie A club. This huge amount is divided among all italian serie A clubs as the rule I have explained some post ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 It is not set on DB, it is a rule implemented in the gameIn Italy does no more exist individual TV rights... I know, but anyway to have the best control of the incomes, I think it's better if in Football Manager, all the incomes are set in the database, so for example juventus must have also other incomes like stadium tour, museum, stadium name rights, etc ... this means more realism and also 25\30ML more per year. ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandolaro Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I know, but anyway to have the best control of the incomes, I think it's better if in Football Manager, all the incomes are set in the database, so for example juventus must have also incomes for stadium tour, museum, stadium name rights, etc ... that means 25\30ML per year. This are different kinds of revenue (not TV related) and should be inserted in database, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cha Cha Cha Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Who complain about referees is a looser, unfortunately Italy is full of football loosers and incompetent referees. ...and football teams named Juve that buy referees... Rubentino, il castigo e vicino!:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIJRP Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 mettiti l'anima in pace per i prossimi 5/10 anni anche perche' tra un po' torna Conte ed a tutti gli anti-juventini ricominceranno a crescere i capelli bianchi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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