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Have anyone tried playing with a 3 man or a 5 man defense so far? How is it in this version of fm? Do the central defenders still stand grouped in the middle of the pitch?

My gaming rig crashed, so I haven't had a chance to try the demo yet :mad:

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drat, was really hoping this was the year they implemented that. Ah well, I can wait for fm 14

Dont give up yet.

I'm succesfully using 3 at the back, 2 CD and a Libero!!! And this is in the Blue Square Premier league no less!!

Have the CD's set to man mark, the Libero zonal to pick up any extra attackers.

Employing 2 wing backs so not that exposed at the back, I have set them to 'support' and they are bagging me a lot of goals arriving late and wide into the box and not being picked up.

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Dont give up yet.

I'm succesfully using 3 at the back, 2 CD and a Libero!!! And this is in the Blue Square Premier league no less!!

Have the CD's set to man mark, the Libero zonal to pick up any extra attackers.

Employing 2 wing backs so not that exposed at the back, I have set them to 'support' and they are bagging me a lot of goals arriving late and wide into the box and not being picked up.

Thanks, I'll give the demo a try when my computer is once again capable of running it

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im using a 3 at the back with ac milan (first season) and it seems to work. I by far have the best defence and this is with not the best 3 defenders. I usually have Mexes as SW, Bonera LTD and silvestre (ex Arsenal free signing) both LTD (d). I have changed about with the settings on these 3, but its also about the right protection for them aswell. I always have a DMC (d), normally Dejong, and my 2 wing bks helping out. Abate WBK R (a) and my WBK L (s) do not close down too high and so dont get caught out all the time with balls over the top. My defensive line is deeper than usual.

Due to the milan squad being quite poor (my view anyway) and me not spending anything ive gone for a defensive rigid set up and this helps with the defending but you do suffer a bit in attack.

Hope this helps a bit. Just alot of trial and error.

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I've managed to reproduce the real life Juventus formation now that the patch has been applied (far too weak previously). They have fixed the issue with the wide players dropping back to make a back five.

My formation:

Sweeper keeper (attack)

DC (stopper)

DC (cover)

DC (stopper)

WBR (automatic)

ML (wide mid, automatic)

MCL (ball winner support OR box-to-box, if Vidal/Marchisio are playing respectively)

MCR (DLP defend)

AMC (att mid support)

FC (TM attack)

FC (poacher)

I make liberal use of specific marking to make sure the front three get involved, and have the wide players marking the right people.

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I was able to run some success with a 3-5-2 formation using WM as defensive wingers (had 2 fullbacks that were trained in FB, WB and WM on each side). I also ran the DC line as a 2x stopper and 1x cover. CM was my AP with the CML/CMR as BWM (1d and 1s).

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I'm playing with a 5-2-1-2 formation. I defend quite well but am very weak at counter attacks as there is plenty ofspace on the wings as both wing backs push forward.

GK- Goalkeeper (defend)

CBR+L- Ball playing defender (stopper)

CB- Ball playing defender (cover)

WBR+L- Wing Back (automatic or attack, depending on strength and formation of opposition)

CMR- Advanced play maker (attack) or Deep lying play maker (defend)

CML- Ball winning midfielder (defend)

AMC- Attacking midfielder (attack)

STR- Target man (attack) or Advanced forward (attack), depending on players available.

STL- Poacher (attack)

Playing in the championship as Peterborough. Concede quite a few goals but that is mainly due to injuries suffered by my centre-backs and having to call up youth team players.

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Can it work? Yes. A 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2) of some sort can work quite well.

However, there are certain behaviours you just can't do due to ME limitations (this is base on beta.)

1. A 3CB formation where the 2 outer CBs stretch wide to perform as fullbacks during build up play. The 3 CBs will stay in the middle regardless of instructions. A work around is to play DL-CB-DR backline, but that obviously isn't going to give you the 3CBs performance you'd be looking for.

2. Sweepers are better in FM13, but still not covering as well as you'd hope. The Libero also won't perform as you'd hope. Don't expect to recreate Ze Kaiser.

3. Quasi back 3, such as done by Barcelona, where the DM drop back into CB, while the 2 CBs stretch wide.

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Can it work? Yes. A 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2) of some sort can work quite well.

However, there are certain behaviours you just can't do due to ME limitations (this is base on beta.)

1. A 3CB formation where the 2 outer CBs stretch wide to perform as fullbacks during build up play. The 3 CBs will stay in the middle regardless of instructions. A work around is to play DL-CB-DR backline, but that obviously isn't going to give you the 3CBs performance you'd be looking for.

2. Sweepers are better in FM13, but still not covering as well as you'd hope. The Libero also won't perform as you'd hope. Don't expect to recreate Ze Kaiser.

3. Quasi back 3, such as done by Barcelona, where the DM drop back into CB, while the 2 CBs stretch wide.

That's a good idea for a thread!

As with scientific papers, for example, you rarely see examples on these forums of threads where people go into a lot of detail how they've investigated a concept thorougly and concluded that it is very hard or implossible to achieve with the ME (I mean investigated it properly, not just lost a couple of games and decided that it doesn't work).

Basically, what I'm saying is that having a thread going through the limitations of the ME would be a good thing to have when you set out to create tactics of your own (or recreate others)... It would be a nice complement to all of the great threads telling you what you can do.

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in the beta i used the 3-4-3 default formation with no changes, started in the second polish division, got promoted and won the league 11 years later with that tactic, even made it trough the CL qualifiers once, so i guess it can work~

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I've managed to reproduce the real life Juventus formation now that the patch has been applied (far too weak previously). They have fixed the issue with the wide players dropping back to make a back five.

My formation:

Sweeper keeper (attack)

DC (stopper)

DC (cover)

DC (stopper)

WBR (automatic)

ML (wide mid, automatic)

MCL (ball winner support OR box-to-box, if Vidal/Marchisio are playing respectively)

MCR (DLP defend)

AMC (att mid support)

FC (TM attack)

FC (poacher)

I make liberal use of specific marking to make sure the front three get involved, and have the wide players marking the right people.

But dont Juve play with a 1-2-0 in CM rather than a 0-2-1? I dont think they have an attacking midfielder.

Do you have a screenshot of the team instructions?

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Been floating around 3rd to 7th (well now 8th) with AS Saint Etienne playing a 5-2-1-2 with attacking wingbacks and Drenthe as an inside forward in the hole (his attitude stinks though so he's been dropped) my main issue is either drawing too many games or being impotent in front of goal but I guess that's down to my team's quality as much as tactics.

I've been looking at the Italian league and I've noticed a lot of teams playing a flat back three and no wingbacks whatsoever with a lot of success Napoli play their 3-4-2-1 and are second for example, I want to replicate that since the new patch is out

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I've managed to reproduce the real life Juventus formation now that the patch has been applied (far too weak previously). They have fixed the issue with the wide players dropping back to make a back five.

Playing in the championship as Peterborough. Concede quite a few goals but that is mainly due to injuries suffered by my centre-backs and having to call up youth team players.

I am curious one of the hallmarks of those italian formations was the ability of the WB to hurl a cross field ball to the other wing to a targetted player, have you seen you wbs cross the ball often?

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i find that the wbk's work a treat, well at least the way im using them. I have them both on support and like the whole team on 'whole pitch' pressing. They are often on the end of a through ball played by one of my strikers for a shot at goal and they also supply a good number of crosses for me at all ends of pitch. For me they are very good in contributing to the attack phase of the game. Obviously good stamina and work rate are essential. Im with Juve so have Asamoha,de Deglie (a good back up in this yrs) for the left side and Isla and Caceres for the right. They are not the best for those positions but are doing the job well.

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Been using 3 at the back, 2 wing backs, 2 mids, 1 amc, and 2 st and my wing backs are really racking up. About 2-3 goals per, 18 games into the season.

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Haven't gotten FM13 yet, as I'm in Jerusalem for 8 weeks for my thesis, stuck with just my laptop and a poor mobile broadband connection. Really itching to get to play it though, and already thinking about what to do! Goal is to start in C1 or C2 with a focus on homegrown youngsters, trying not to spend all my transfer money on signing promising youngsters as I usually do (It gets too easy after a few seasons).

Anyhow, as relates to this thread, I'm going to switch back to my roots. I often played 3-5-2 in the days of wibble/wobble, but since then I've been playing every kind of iteration of 4-5-1 (Be it 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-1-1, 4-5-1, 4-1-2-2-1 or whatever else you can think of, I've done it all) for the reason that I'm a collector of a central midfielders, and I want 3 of them, ideally a 2-1 or 1-2 split of DM-CM. But I'm getting a bit tired of only having one player upfront, and this year I wanted two strikers. 2 strikers + 3 DM/MCs means either a narrow 4-4-2 type of deal (4-1-3-2, 4-1-2-1-2) or the good old 3-5-2 varieties.

Since I want at least some width, 3-5-2 it is! More precisely the following:

DC (Stopper) - SW (Not decided on role) - DC (Stopper) - WB (WB - S) - WB (WB -S) - DM (DLP - S) - MCR (B2B/BWM/CM - S) - MCL (AP/CM - A) - FCR (DLF - S) - FCL (P - A)

Would look to play more of a possession-based style, with the DLP pulling the strings. Trying to play a fluid, free-flowing football with the ball, and with the amount of defensive players still retain defensive solidity. Plenty of experimentation to do as I get the game and start playing. Will also be developing a 4-1-3-2 in order to have some flexibility, seeing as how I can still use roughly the same players. Heck if I have a DC/DM then I can use the same 11 players, assuming the WBs can also play FB.

Anyway, what I was wondering is about the player roles;

- Having not used WBs in the tactics creator era, will Support roles for them give me enough offensive support, or do I run the risk of having a very stagnant offense? And if Attack role is needed, how will that impact me defensively?

- Midfield roles. I want my DLP to be a key part of the offense even if he stays back (Like one of my favourite ever players, Tugay. Or Pirlo/Scholes for that matter), hence the Support. Having 3 central defenders, a DM and two MCs should mean I don't need the DM on a Defensive role, right? Might add that I'm the kind of guy who'd rather win 1-0 than 4-3 btw, so defense matters. '

- I'm thinking that DM (S) - MC (S) - MC (A) is a pretty balanced combo. The idea being that the DLP starts the attacks, spreads the balls between the midfielders, wing backs and with the odd long ball. The Support MC (Whichever role he gets) is there to provide an option for the DLP, close down in defense, long shot option and arriving late in the box. The MCa is less of a passer than he is there to provide numerical support for the strikers, exploiting space between defense and midfield. Looking to create triangles in midfield as well, in that the MCL will be the attacking one, while the FCR will be the more withdrawn striker. Seems to me that doing it slightly staggered in the manner will give the most passing options and leave the strikers less isolated.

Can't wait to get to work on this ;)

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hi guys ive been using a 5-3-2 tactic with wingbacks, as partick thistle, 1st season so far , 16 games , 13-1-2,

mine is DC/RL as cover and DC central as stopper, that way if ur wing backs are exposed the CD come over and helps out

run an anchor man, a CM in support AM as playmaker and DLF in attack and a AF/Poacher, MC and AM are staggered right to left with the AM on the AF/Poachers side, one wing Back on DLF side set to attack and the other to support

So Far im leading in goals scored as well as least goals conceded

Once im confident in the tactic, i.e it works in a tougher league ill write up a thread with pictures and stuff :)

on a side note my main DLF (Kris Doolan) is top player in comp at 7.8 avg rating with 11 assists and 9 goals :)

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gonna give your 5-3-2 theory a go in my last friendly dturtle1 to see how it plays out.

----ok ...won 1-0

Question ... do you use a CM as Defend for you anchorman or do you actually use 2 midfielders and a defensive mid in the anchorman role? I did the latter and the opposition ended up with only 1 shot on target

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yeah Brick DM as anchor man, some time i run 2 midfielders and a DM, one CM as BWM the other as CM support, lately ive been running as mentioned above, also i run the DM as DLP with a IF/A in the AM role, or DM as DLP one BWM/D and one CM/A depending on opp and available players. 3 at the back really helps against thru balls, gotta watch for long shots tho, esp if the overlapping full backs drag ur Ror L CD out 2 the wings and ur Wb caught in no mans land..its ok as long as u clamp down on any Longshot specialists in Opp Tactics

Good luck m8 hope it works 4 ya :)

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