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Welcome to the FM13 thread for Leeds United

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Club History

Leeds United are a professional association football club based in Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. At the start of the 2012/13 season they play in the npower Championship, the 2nd tier of English club football.

The club was formed following the disbanding by the Football League of Leeds City in 1919 due to "financial irregularities", the previous club having been in existence since 1904. Leed United have competed at the top level of English football for the majority of their existence, and enjoyed their most successful period during the 1960s and 1970s when, under the management of Don Revie, they won 2 First Division titles (finishing as runners up on a further 5 occasions), along with an FA Cup, League Cup and 2 Inter-Cities Fairs Cups.

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Following Don Revie's departure to manage England in 1974, the Club had a succession of different managers (including, infamously, Brian Clough for 44 days) but were never able to maintain the level of success achieved under Revie, although they did reach the final of the European Cup - only the second English team to do so - in 1975. Despite this achievement, the club were entering a period of decline and were eventually relegated to the Second Division in 1982. They remained there until 1990 when, under the management of Howard Wilkinson, and with Gordon Strachan as Club Captain, they achieved promotion back to the First Division, and only 2 years later were First Division champions again for the 3rd time in their history - the last Champions of England before the establishment of the Premier League in 1992.

During the 1990s and early 2000s Leeds remained a competitive team in the Premier League, challenging for places in Europe, and reaching the semi-finals of the UEFA Cup and the UEFA Champions League in consecutive seasons. The start of the 1997 season saw Leeds appoint ex-Arsenal manager George Graham, with David O'Leary as assistant manager. The appointment of Graham had been a controversial one as Graham had just received a one year ban from the FA for receiving illegal payments from a Agent. Graham's main signing to the side was a Dutch striker buy the name of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, who went on to score 34 goals for Leeds in 69 games before he was sold to Atlético Madrid, this was due to a contract not been agreed with Peter Risdale. After finishing the season Leeds went on to qualify for the UEFA Cup, but George Graham then left to become the new manager of Tottenham Hotspur, while David O'Leary then took over as permanant manager. O'Leary brought in a young Australian striker named Mark Viduka, and also broke Leeds transfer record by signing French Defensive Midfielder Olivier Dacourt. Leeds managed to finish 3rd in the season, qualifying for the UEFA Champions League. The following season saw Leeds break their transfer record yet again, signing England Defender Rio Ferdinand from West Ham United for a fee of around £18 million. Ferdinand was appointed captain, replacing the legend Lucas Radabe. Leeds are regarded one of the best teams in Europe after reaching the UEFA Champions League semi-final, getting knocked out to Spanish team Valencia CF.

2001 saw the demise of Leeds United Football Club, Peter Risdale took out large loans against the share of TV rights abd revenues that came with the UEFA Champions League. However Leeds United finished 4th the coming season losing out to Newcastle United, and therefore not qualifying for the Champions League, this meaning they did not receive enough income to repay the loans, and with the signings of Liverpool FC legend Robbie Fowler and Seth Johnson for big wages, this saw the club go into financial trouble, meaning the sale of Rio Ferdinand to Manchester United for a fee of around £29 million. David O'Leary was dissapointed about the sale of Ferdinand and spoke publically about it, and this saw the sacking of O'Leary, with Peter Risdale replacing him with ex-England manager Terry Venables. Under Venables the results didn't go the right way, and further players were forced to be sold to pay back the loans, some of these players included Jonathan Woodgate and then furthermore Lee Bowyer, Nigel Martyn, Robbie Fowler, Harry Kewell and Robbie Keane, who were all a major part of the Leeds team. Venables was later sacked and replaced by Peter Reid, during this time Risdale had resigned from his position on the Leeds board. Leeds United were tipped for the drop that season, however they avoided relegation on the penultimate game of the season, and managed to stay up for another season.

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The 2003-2004 season saw Leeds United drop even further into the relegation battle all season, after a bad start. Reid brought in players on loan, one of the been Roque Junior, who failed to live up to the standards that had been set for him, this saw Peter Reid sacked. Gerald Krasner, led a consortium of local businessmen which took over Leeds United and oversaw the sale of the clubs assets, to try and pay back the loans that had been taken out by Risdale. The poor form went on and this saw the relegation of Leeds to the Championship, after 14 years of been in the top flight.

Life in the Championship

This saw their 1st season in the Championship, with assistant manager Kevin Blackwell taking charge. Leeds were forced to do a clear-out, and this saw the sales of Viduka, Dominic Matteo, Paul Robinson, Alan Smith and James Milner. Leeds were also forced to sell their training ground and stadium. The board then sold the club to Ken Bates for a fee of £10 million. Leeds United finished the season in mid-table, another sale Leeds were forced was their promising young winger Aaron Lennon to Tottenham Hotspur. Leeds managed to make the play-off final, unfortunaly they couldn't capitalise and were forced to have another season in the Championship.

Leeds United started the 2006/07 season poorly, conceding late goals, and thus dropping into the bottom half of the Championship. Dennis Wise eventually became the permanent manager. Defender Matthew Kilgallon left the club to join Sheffield United, and Wise couldn't lift the team out of the relegation zone for much of the season. May 4th 2007 saw what a lot of people didn't want to happen, the club entering administration, this then gave the club a -10 point deduction, which made their relegation official. Leeds United were then forced to build their squad from scratch for the forth coming season.

League One - We shouldn't be here?

The start of the season could have seen Leeds United enter liquidation, luckily that didn't happen, however this did see the sale of the club back to Ken Bates. The league then imposed a -15 point deduction on Leeds, despite this Wise led the team to the play-offs. Again Leeds luck didn't go their way, as they lost 1-0 to Yorkshire rivals Doncaster Rovers. Gary McAllister saw the signings of Becchio and Snodgrass, and the emergence of young midfielder Fabian Delph, this goes to show that Leeds United could still produce the youth products. After a poor run McAllister was sacked and Yorkshireman Simon Grayson was appointed manager and this saw their form improve. The 09/10 season saw Leeds travel to rivals Manchester United in the 3rd round of the FA Cup, this was one of their biggest games of late, which saw Leeds win 1-0 after a Jermain Beckford goal, this then set up a tie against Tottenham Hotspur. Leeds went in to the final game of the season with the chance of finishing in an automatic promotion position, they were playing Bristol Rovers, they went a goal down, but 2 goals in 4 minutes saw Leeds win 2-1 and gain promotion to the Championship.

The return to the Championship

Start of the season saw the top scorer Jermain Beckford leave to Everton FC on a free, however Leeds managed to pull off a coup and sign Promising Keeper Kasper Schmeichel from Manchester City. The return to the Championship saw Grayson bring in many new faces; Bessone, Connolly, Sam, Bruce, Collins, McCormack and Nunez. Leeds were currently lying in 2nd in the Championship, Leeds spent most of the season in the play-off places however a dip in form towards the end of the season saw them narrowly miss out and finish 7th. May 2011 it was announced that Bates had then took control of the club, and saw the departures of Naylor, Kilkenny, Bradley Johnson, Watt, McCartney and Schmeichel, and saw the arrivals of veteran Michael Brown, Paul Rachubka. 2011 also saw the signings of Lonergran, O'Dea, Forrsell and Pugh, however saw the sale of youngster Max Gradel.

Before the match against Middlesbrough, Leeds fans protested at Ken Bates about lack of investment in the playing side, in which Bates responded by calling Leeds fans 'morons'

May 2012 saw the appointment of Neil Warnock, and the signing of Portsmouth FC Centre Back Jason Pearce, who is a strong, tough tackler; for a fee of £500,000. Warnock also brought in the likes of Paddy kenny, Varney, and Norris.

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The Stadium - Elland Road

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Revie Stand|East Stand|South Stand|John Charles Stand

Elland Road is a football stadium in Leeds, West Yorkshire. It is the home of Leeds United A.F.C. since the club's foundation in 1919 and it was previously occupied by Leeds City. The stadium is the 12th largest football stadium in England, and the second largest outside the Premier League. The ground has hosted FA Cup semi-final matches as a neutral venue, and England international fixtures, having been selected as one of eight Euro 96 venues.

Revie Stand - 7,000 seater. It was previously known as the Gelderd End or the Kop and was originally a standing terrace, It was renamed in 1994 in honour of the club's most successful manager and former player, Don Revie.

East Stand - 15,100 seater. The East Stand is the most recent stand in the stadium. The two-tiered structure was built in the 1992–93 season to replace the Lowfields stand and was opened during the 1993–94 season at a cost of £5.5 million

South Stand - 5,000 seater. The South Stand was built in 1974 at a cost of £500,000 to replace the Scratching Shed, which had been there since the 1920s. It comprises two small tiers intersected with a row of 32 executive boxes and an executive restaurant. There are a few seats in the South-West Corner, as and a big screen for the 2009–10 season.[25] The South-East Corner seats 1,710 fans were used to house the away fans until they were moved to the West Stand. In summer 2006 the stand was redeveloped and closed for the first few games of the 2006–07 season.

John Charles Stand - 11,000 seater. The John Charles Stand is on the west side of the pitch and known as the West Stand until the fans demanded a tribute to former player, John Charles, following his death on 21 February 2004. It is currently the oldest stand at Elland Road, having been built in 1957 after the previous stand burnt down.

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Meet the First Team

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The 2012/2013 season saw Leeds United academy products Sanchez Payne, Dominic Poleon, Charlie Taylor, Ross Killock and Sam Byram all promoted to the first team squad after impressing the manager in the youth teams. Warnock also brought in El-Hadji Diouf, Jamie Ashdown, David Norris and Andy Gray on free signings, whilst splashing out £660,000 on Lee Peltier from Leicester City, Luke Varney for £220,000, also bringing in Rodolph Austin, Paddy Kenny and Jason Pearce for a combined fee of around £1 million.

Goalkeepers

Paddy Kenny #1

Jamie Ashdown #12

Paul Rachubka #31

Defenders

Lee Peliter #2

Adam Drury #3

Tom Lees #4

Jason Pearce #5

Patrick Kisnorbo #6

Samuel Byram #25

Leigh Bromby

Midfielders

Paul Green #7

Rodolph Austin #8

Aidan White #14

Danny Pugh #16

Michael Brown #17

David Norris #19

Zac Thompson #23

Ryan Hall #30

Ramon Nunez

Strikers

Luciano Becchio #10

Luke Varney #11

Andy Gray #20

El-Hadji Diouf #21

Robbie Rogers #22

Dominic Poleon #26

Ross McCormack #44

Davide Somma

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First Team Analysis

In this section I will look at each player in the First Team, and give them a rating out of 10 stars.

Goalkeepers

Paddy Kenny ★★★★★★★★★★

Signed from QPR, Paddy Kenny is an experience goalkeeper at all levels, having played in the Premiership with QPR and Sheffield United. At the tender age of 34 he will be good enough for another couple of years, however with the quality of football improving, should you get promoted in the first season, you should look to sign another keeper. His wages are quite high as he sits on £15k a week, which makes you wonder whether he is worth that much.

Nation: Ireland | Age: 34 | Strength: One on ones | Weakness: Distribution | Value: 800k |

Jamie Ashdown ★★★★★★★★★★

A signing from recently relegated Portsmouth FC, a good back-up but nothing more, not good enough to start in the first team. Only on £5k a week and worth nothing more, I would probably keep Paddy Kenny as your number one, and look to sell on Ashdown at the end of the first season.

Nation: England | Age: 31 | Strength: Handling | Weakness: Communication | Value: 300k |

Paul Rachubka ★★★★★★★★★★

Another keeper that isn't good enough for the first team, lacks in mental stats and very prone to errors. Rachubka is known for his spells at Huddersfield and more recently his spell at Blackpool where he featured week in week out, and helped them get promoted to the Premiership. Rachubka is mainly known for his good reflexes and one on one stats.

Nation: England | Age: 31 | Strength: Reflexes | Weakness: Concentration | Value: 150k |

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Defenders

Lee Peltier ★★★★★★★★★★

A product of Liverpool FC, before been released and signing for League One side Yeovil Town, before moving to Huddersfield Town. He then spent a season at Leicester City where he was renowned for his impressive performances before Neil Warnock snapped him up. Peltier should be the starting right back in your side, and with him only been in his mid 20's, you should be able to get another 6 or so years out of him, although you should look to strengthen this position should you get promoted.

Nation: England | Age: 25 | Strength: Stamina | Weakness: Positioning | Value: £1.1m |

Adam Drury ★★★★★★★★★★

Recently brought in on a free from Norwich, Drury's best position is at left back, he is a very experienced player at the age of 33, and although he is on the slow side, he can still put in a good tackle and knows how to cross a ball. You will have to make sure he doesn't push too far up as this may leave your full back position exploited, and he can be known to go missing at times when he has done this.

Nation: England | Age: 33 | Strength: Teamwork | Weakness: Concentration | Value: 100k |

Tom Lees ★★★★★★★★★★

A product of Leeds' very own youth academy, centre back is one of your strongest positions, links up well with Jason Pearce. His main strength is heading of the ball, and he is also very composed whilst on the ball. Lees is a player you should look to keep hold of in the long term, and will certainly be able to do a good job in the Premiership. If an offer does come in, try and resist selling him, as he could be the key to the core of your team.

Nation: England | Age: 21 | Strength: Heading | Weakness: Passing | Value: £1.8m |

Jason Pearce ★★★★★★★★★★

Pearce is a signing from relegated Portsmouth. His best position is centre back, but can also play at left back should you feel you are short there. You should make Pearce your club captain, he is a great leader on the pitch. Pearce should be one of the first names on the team sheet.

Nation: England | Age: 24 | Strength: Bravery | Weakness: Decisions | Value: £2.1m |

Patrick Kisnorbo ★★★★★★★★★★

Kisnorbo suffered a long time out on the sidelines with a horrific injury. He can be very prone to making mistakes, but this is made up for with his tackling ability, however with a natural fitness attribute of 10, this would mean he would be most likely struggle to play against more than two teams in a week. He could become a good tutor to some of the younger players, given his determination.

Nation: Australia | Age: 31 | Strength: Tackling | Weakness: Conecentraion | Value: 375k |

Samuel Byram ★★★★★★★★★★

Another product of the youth academy, he is one for the future and could become a very good right back should you nature him correctly. He already possesses good pace, and can whip in a good cross. He lacks defensively but with some work and game time, you should be all right here, and could possibly challenge Lee Peltier for the right back spot in the first season.

Nation: England | Age: 18 | Strength: Pace | Weakness: Tackling | Value: 230k |

Leigh Bromby ★★★★★★★★★★

Another veteran of the game, starts out injured at the start of the season, I would probably look to move him on as he us unneeded, you should be able to get around 100k for him.

Nation: England | Age: 32 | Strength: Long Throws | Weakness: Concentration | Value: 150k |

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Midfielders

Paul Green ★★★★★★★★★★

A signing from Derby County, Green can play at right back, or his better position which is centre midfield. Green is a great worked, has a good shot on him and can pick a ball out. Also he is on little wages for the player he is, and could also be key to Leeds getting promoted in the first season

Nation: Ireland | Age: 29 | Strength: Work Rate | Weakness: Flair | Value: £1.7m |

Rodolph Austin ★★★★★★★★★

The Jamaican International can do everything, he can play in defensively in centre midfield, but he can also attack. Austin is the work horse of the team, and never stops running. He can put in a good tackle, can also score from distance and pick a ball. It is vital that you keep him fit and well, you will notice that he is missing from your team if he doesn't play, he will also make it to a Premiership standard.

Nation: Jamaica | Age: 27 | Strength: Aggression | Weakness: Acceleration | Value: £2.6m |

Aidan White ★★★★★★★★★★

Another youngster of the team, can play anywhere down the left hand side of the pitch, I would usually play him at left back but because of his pace it can cause troubles up front, it may be of note that he would make a good defensive winger. Again because of his age you should be able to get him to improve a fair bit.

Nation: Ireland | Age: 20 | Strength: Pace | Weakness: Crossing | Value: £2.1m |

Danny Pugh ★★★★★★★★★★

Currently having his second spell at Leeds United, lost a lot of his pace but could still do a good job. I would play him as a wide midfielder rather than a winger, or play him through the centre. Again another good worker for the team and is a good back up in the squad to have, due to how versatile he is.

Nation: England | Age: 29 | Strength: Determination | Weakness: Pace | Value: 525k |

Michael Brown ★★★★★★★★★★

The veteran of the team, the oldest player, yet he is still key to your plans, for at least the first season anyway. Puts in a good tackle, and another good worker in the team, he doesn't stop running. I have found he plays well in the middle with Rodolph Austin. His experience is also key to tutoring the younger players at the club.

Nation: England | Age: 35 | Strength:Teamwork | Weakness: Pace | Value: 120k |

David Norris ★★★★★★★★★★

Another signing from Portsmouth, experienced in the Championship, but yet again another player who is over the age of 30. You have a lot of midfielders that can pick a pass and Norris is another one of them. I would probably keep him for the first season, but I would look to move him on after the first season, for someone younger.

Nation: Ireland | Age: 31 | Strength: Stamina | Weakness: Dribbling | Value: 900k |

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Strikers

Luciano Becchio ★★★★★★★★★

Becchio is your best striker, and although on your slow side, he can finish from anywhere inside the penalty area. He is also great at heading the ball and can hold the ball up. You will be better off playing Becchio as a target man or an advanced forward. You should keep him for as long as possible.

Nation: Argentina | Age: 28 | Strength: Heading | Weakness: Positioning | Value: £2.6m |

Luke Varney ★★★★★★★★★★

Luke Varney is another new signing. Very versatile, can play on either wing or upfront. Also a good finisher. He spent last season at Portsmouth, and also played for Blackpool FC when they were in the Premiership. Also another player who is approaching the age of 30, so it might be a good time to start looking for a backup.

Nation: England | Age: 29 | Strength: Dribbling | Weakness: Composure | Value: £1.3m |

Andy Gray ★★★★★★★★★★

Another target man in the team, can win the ball in the air but not a lot else. He isn't very mobile and again a player over 30, I would keep him for the season and then move him on. Also with a poor natural fitness attribute, don't expect him to play many games.

Nation: Scotland | Age: 34 | Strength: Heading | Weakness: Natural Fitness | Value: 50k |

El-Hadji Diouf ★★★★★★★★★★

A summer signing from relegated Rangers FC. He can play on either wing, or upfront, Diouf is your most creative player, which is quite frightening, it goes to show that the club doesn't have much creativity. A worry with Diouf is that he is a tough player to manage, very aggressive and I have also noticed that he can go missing in a lot of the games.

Nation: Senegal | Age: 31 | Strength: Flair | Weakness: Aggression | Value: 525k |

Ross McCormack ★★★★★★★★★★

A great all around player, links up well with Becchio if you play two upfront, but like Varney, McCromack can play on either wing or just behind the striker. He is also a creative player, and a good finisher given the opportunity.

Nation: Scotland | Age: 26 | Strength: First Touch | Weakness: Natural Fitness | Value: £3m |

Davide Somma ★★★★★★★★★★

Not-needed at the club and I would try and move him on in the first transfer window if possible. He is good enough for the Championship if you want to keep him, but there are already players at the club similar to him. You could get around 800k for him at the minimum.

Nation: South Africa | Age: 27 | Strength: Finishing | Weakness: Teamwork | Value: £1.8m |

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Credit also goes to Coen for helping out.

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Nice to see this thread up.Nice start.Only been messing about on the Beta really and not gone past pre season. Pretty much agree with your assesments.

Easy enough to get rid of Rachubka and Bromby.

Seems to me a more creative midfielder is needed as, like you say, Becchio and McCormack can get a few goals.

Not had much luck getting anyone of quality to join though. Drenthe for example, goes to Legia for much less than Im offering.

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Great opening post NorthernGooner, nice work. :thup:

I've played through one season now with Leeds United on FM13 (on the beta version) and based on what I've found so far:

I started by trying to offload a few players and was able to sell Brown (£140k), Poleon (£250k), Pugh (£550k), Rachukba (£190k), and Connolly (£200k). But even with the money raised from this really struggled to find anyone decent to bring in.

So I figured I'd keep the rest of the starting squad to see how they'd do, but did bring in Rudi Skacel and Christiano Zanetti on free transfers to try to add some much needed creativity to midfield, as the current squad doesnt really have a lot. I also brought in Eric Lichaj at right back as I reckon that's probably the weakest position in defence - Peltier is quite poor and Byram is still a bit too young/inexperienced.

Played as a fairly standard 4-4-2 with Diouf pushed forward in to the AMR position, playing Skacel in left midfield, Austin as a ball winning midfielder, Green (box to box midfielder) or Zanetti (advanced playmake) as the other central midfielder, Becchio up front as a target man with McCormack, Varney or Somma playing as a poacher.

And we were very average, ended up finishing midtable without ever really threatening to make the play offs. Stand out performers were probably Skacel, Becchio, Somma (who did surprisingly well played as a poacher), defensively we were very inconsistent. Thankfully though I'd only promised a top half finish and although we ended up just below this, I managed to avoid the sack. :)

So at start of the 2nd season I'm looking to overhaul the squad a lot more, but the players I'm keeping hold of are Kenny, Pearce, Lees, White, Byram, Austin, Varney and Diouf. Have sold everyone else!

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NorthernGooner, top work mate, great start.

Good to see you cracking on straight away Coen, I've not ordered yet, I like to get my hands on the disk on release day. Is there any mention of the takeover in the beta?

I've been scanning up and down the rest of the GPTG forum and noticed a few players who might be a decent grab, a midfielder called Mohammed Issah?

What do the budgets look like? I had a feeling that if the takeover didn't go through before the data was locked down, it would be a tough challenge this year with the quality of some of the squads in the Championship.

Once again fellas, into the breach...

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Not really got around to playing much yet, only about 4 games in to the Championship, managed to sell Rachubka and Paul Connolly for a combined fee of £300k, brought in Formica on loan for £20k p/m to give me that creative edge we so badly need. Started played a basic 4-4-2 with hard working players, went 3-1 down first game of the season against Blackpool away, managed to somehow win 4-3, McCormack been the pick of the bunch, however he got a red card, this forced me to drop to a 4-4-1-1 formation, but this accommodated Formica for the AMC role with Becchio up front on his own. Since this I have won Cardiff 2-0 at home and Middlesbrough 1-0 at home, could have been 3-0 but had 2 of them ruled out. Not very happy defensively, we seem to be all over the place though. Got about 1 week left of the transfer window left so hoping there is a lot of activity.

EDIT: Ah yes, I forgot to mention anything about finances in the OP, will probably do that tomorrow sometime, just going to chill and play it now, but you start with around £250k.

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NorthernGooner, top work mate, great start.

Good to see you cracking on straight away Coen, I've not ordered yet, I like to get my hands on the disk on release day. Is there any mention of the takeover in the beta?

I've been scanning up and down the rest of the GPTG forum and noticed a few players who might be a decent grab, a midfielder called Mohammed Issah?

What do the budgets look like? I had a feeling that if the takeover didn't go through before the data was locked down, it would be a tough challenge this year with the quality of some of the squads in the Championship.

Once again fellas, into the breach...

No mention of impending takeover in the beta, and finances are really tight to start with - think you only get £275k transfer budget even if you promise promotion, and there's no way I was going to promise that. :D Get around £250k or so for a top half finish which is the lowest you can promise.

Tbh I just took the view that I'd play out the first season with what I had, due to the limited budgets and the fact that it's hard to shift a lot of the starting squad as they've only just joined, and settle for mid table as the Board seemed happy enough with this for the season expectations. Then really go for a squad overhaul and promotion push in the 2nd season. :thup:

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Not really got around to playing much yet, only about 4 games in to the Championship, managed to sell Rachubka and Paul Connolly for a combined fee of £300k, brought in Formica on loan for £20k p/m to give me that creative edge we so badly need. Started played a basic 4-4-2 with hard working players, went 3-1 down first game of the season against Blackpool away, managed to somehow win 4-3, McCormack been the pick of the bunch, however he got a red card, this forced me to drop to a 4-4-1-1 formation, but this accommodated Formica for the AMC role with Becchio up front on his own. Since this I have won Cardiff 2-0 at home and Middlesbrough 1-0 at home, could have been 3-0 but had 2 of them ruled out. Not very happy defensively, we seem to be all over the place though. Got about 1 week left of the transfer window left so hoping there is a lot of activity.

EDIT: Ah yes, I forgot to mention anything about finances in the OP, will probably do that tomorrow sometime, just going to chill and play it now, but you start with around £250k.

Yeah I found I was all over the place defensively as well - but I wanted to keep all of White, Pearce, Lees and Byram and play them anyway as they're all young so should improve. Hopefully things will tighten up 2nd season...

The squad is definitely short of creativity in midfield, I didnt really look at loan options myself - Skacel was good on a free for the 1st season for me but is already well past 30 so not a long term option.

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Yeah I found I was all over the place defensively as well

To be fair, this seems to be a recurring problem throughout the beta with every team.

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Great to see this thread up and running,im also finding it hard to bring people in with the limited budget,cheers kenneth...

managed to pick up tote and mikkel diskerud on free's at the start of the game, couple of good midfielders

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Liking the thread so far mate, look forward to giving it a full read when you've finished!

Am bound to start a game as Leeds scum at some point.. ;)

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Hi guys, nice to see this thread up for the mighty leeds. Been playng since beta came out. Currently top of the league on 43 points coming up to christmas. Players i brought in were formica because the team does lack alot of quality. Playing a 4-2-3-1 wide with diouf on the right and aidy white on the left and becchio up front as a target man. Formica behind the striker. In midfield i got james mcarthur on loan which is a brilliant loan signing because of his great passing ability. Playing next to him is the big man rodolph austin.

So yeah so far a very good start.

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Hi guys, nice to see this thread up for the mighty leeds. Been playng since beta came out. Currently top of the league on 43 points coming up to christmas. Players i brought in were formica because the team does lack alot of quality. Playing a 4-2-3-1 wide with diouf on the right and aidy white on the left and becchio up front as a target man. Formica behind the striker. In midfield i got james mcarthur on loan which is a brilliant loan signing because of his great passing ability. Playing next to him is the big man rodolph austin.

So yeah so far a very good start.

NIce one, seems 4-5-1 is probably the way to go with the starting squad, as you say Becchio is well suited to playing up front on his own as a target man. Definitely need that extra couple of players to add creativity to midfield but you seem to have picked up some good ones. :thup:

Personally I'm sticking with a 4-4-2 because that's how I always prefer to play, struggled a bit in the first season with it but 2nd season I've been able to bring in a few more players and am doing much better, expect to make play-offs at least and still in with a good chance of an automatic promotion spot. I'm still using Kenny, Pearce, Lees, White, Byram, Austin and Diouf from the initial squad. Will post up details of other transfers later today.

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Great to see the thread up and running. Many thanks to the OP for the time he has put into the thread - it's a really good effort! Thanks also to Coen for his contribution to the squad assessment. It's also good to see many of the old gang on here - we just need Elland & Geesus and we can put the 'band back together'.

I'm encouraged to read that there is no transfer embargo at game start and pleased to see that there is scope for selling on the poorer players. However, that miserly transfer budget probably means that are some tough decisions to take if the quality of the squad is to be improved. I can see the South Americans arriving already :)

Like Macca, I'll be popping down the shops come Friday and I'm also looking forward to the usual banter on here.

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nice thread... will get a game going when I get my hands on the full game and all those lovely new cheap finds :)

already got a list of a few to bring in :)

for now.. the beta will do ..

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nice thread... will get a game going when I get my hands on the full game and all those lovely new cheap finds :)

already got a list of a few to bring in :)

for now.. the beta will do ..

Promices promices - I'm still waiting for your FM12 Leeds game :)

Looking forward to your Scandanavian tips talent!

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Results so far, Becchio has 10 goals in 10, with 3 assists. I went 3-0 against Peterborough and ended up losing 4-3, which I wasn't happy about. Just need to tinker the tactics defensively. Currently sitting in 8th in the league and into the 4th round of the Capital One Cup. Finding it hard to bring in any decent players.

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Good lay out Daniel :thup: you should be be ashamed of yourself after throwing 3 goals lead away against Peterborough :p But good results, Who you got in 4th Round in Capital One Cup?

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Good lay out Daniel :thup: you should be be ashamed of yourself after throwing 3 goals lead away against Peterborough :p But good results, Who you got in 4th Round in Capital One Cup?

Thanks :thup: Just been drawn against QPR, the lowest team left in the cup are Colchester United, and then around 3 Championship teams and the rest Premiership, so I guess it isn't too bad of a draw; winnable.

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Coming to the end of my 2nd season now and it looks like we will make the play-offs, for a while were close to 2nd spot but have had a bad run of games towards the end of the season and slipped down to 4th-5th.

Key signings for me in the 2nd season have been:

Ryan McGowan (DR) - £775k from Hearts, has been my player of the season

Mohammad Nosrati (DC) - £150k from Teraktor-Sazi, experienced Iranian international defender

Miiko Albornoz (DL/ML) - £2.5m from Brondby, expensive but I decided I really needed some quality alongside White on the left side of defence/midfield

Jesus Vazquez (MC) - £425k from Deportivo, experienced all round midfielder

Antonio Pedroza (ST) - £1.5m from Morelia, played him as a deep lying forward as one of my strikers in a 4-4-2.

Apart from those guys I'm still using Kenny, White, Pearce, Byram, Lees, Austin, Diouf and Somma. Think next season my main target will be a striker.

I also signed a couple of young scandinavian midfielders on frees - Nicolaj Thomsen and Oliver Sigurjonsson, used them a lot as cover for Vazquez and Austin in central midfield and both are improving nicely.

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Just picked this up. So only Geesus left!!!

Great OP & Congratulations to Northern Gooner & Coen.:applause:

Have had a very quick glance at demo & I think Leeds will be a lot tougher this year, with you not being able to move on the "Recent Activity". lot of players 30+ so big names could be going as well.

The future doesn't look bad though-nice to see the U18's stats improved for this FM.

So a challenge again Lads where have we heard that before?

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How's Austin doing for you Coen? I'm playing him as a Ball Winning Midfielder - Defend, he isn't doing too bad, but he keeps taking a lot of long shots and missing the target by a mile, I have put them on rarely and lowered his mentality a little but he is still taking them, might try him out as a Box to Box.

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Hi Elland, good to see you in here again!

How's Austin doing for you Coen? I'm playing him as a Ball Winning Midfielder - Defend, he isn't doing too bad, but he keeps taking a lot of long shots and missing the target by a mile, I have put them on rarely and lowered his mentality a little but he is still taking them, might try him out as a Box to Box.

I'm finding the same to be honest, Austin has been pretty good as a Ball Winning Midfielder for me but he definitely has a tendency to take lots of long shots and rarely scores from them. According to his stats for the season just gone he scored from about 2% of them, and from looking at match stats I was noticing that he was often the player with the most shots in games but was generally off target with them, so it is something I've also identified as a problem but not sure how to stop it at the moment - I've tried coaching him out of the PPM he has to shoot from distance but that didnt work, have already reduced his long shots to rarely, but he still does it!

It's one of a few things I've identified as a problem but not really sorted out a solution to yet, so I think I'm at the stage in my game where I need to slow down and spend a fair bit of time reviewing overall tactics etc. Although I was fairly happy to finish in the play-offs in the 2nd season, for the 3rd season the Board are insisting that I get promotion so the pressure's on, and so far I've been playing through games pretty quickly using a fairly standard 4-4-2 but I get the feeling that if I don't slow down and spend some time tweaking my tactics I could be in trouble - especially as towards the end of the 2nd season our form really dropped off, only won something like 2 of the last 12 games...

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Just picked this up. So only Geesus left!!!

Great OP & Congratulations to Northern Gooner & Coen.:applause:

Have had a very quick glance at demo & I think Leeds will be a lot tougher this year, with you not being able to move on the "Recent Activity". lot of players 30+ so big names could be going as well.

The future doesn't look bad though-nice to see the U18's stats improved for this FM.

So a challenge again Lads where have we heard that before?

Hello my old mate, good to see you back on here too.

Tough decisions indeed. Speaking of which, has anybody attempted to sell any of the 'untouchables' (Lees/White/Becchio/McCormack)? My biggest concern ahead of getting the game on Friday is locating and buying the 'gun' required to fire a promotion bid, especially now that I can't use a 48 month deal for the likes of a Quintero or Jackson Martinez like last year.

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if you can get a wp Waris Majeed is a steal...

Mohamed Elyounoussi and Joel Pohjanpalo are also worth a thought

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Hello my old mate, good to see you back on here too.

Tough decisions indeed. Speaking of which, has anybody attempted to sell any of the 'untouchables' (Lees/White/Becchio/McCormack)? My biggest concern ahead of getting the game on Friday is locating and buying the 'gun' required to fire a promotion bid, especially now that I can't use a 48 month deal for the likes of a Quintero or Jackson Martinez like last year.

Hi mate.

You can still buy on 48 month basis, but a percentage of payment up front is required. Although I don't know what percentage that is. Perhaps somebody could give us an idea?

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Hello my old mate, good to see you back on here too.

Tough decisions indeed. Speaking of which, has anybody attempted to sell any of the 'untouchables' (Lees/White/Becchio/McCormack)? My biggest concern ahead of getting the game on Friday is locating and buying the 'gun' required to fire a promotion bid, especially now that I can't use a 48 month deal for the likes of a Quintero or Jackson Martinez like last year.

Ah, Quintero, what a legend.

No Jali or Bressan this year either, which is a shame, an Austin / Jali partnership would have been immense.

I've read through a couple of the other teams threads, and the Rangers one is interesting. If the full game is anything like the beta, they drain money every month and the likes of Wallace & Templeton are up for grabs cheap, Coen, where have these guys ended up in your second season?.

The other kid who was brilliant I seem to remember was Leigh Griffiths, he might still be a decent shout for the pacey goalscorer in the first season or so.

Not long to go now...

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In term of raising money at the start of the game, I tried offering out the highest value players and the most I was able to get was £1.9m for White, £1.4m for Lees, and had no takers for either McCormack or Becchio at £1m. I ended up only selling Poleon, Rachukba, Pugh, Brown and Connelly for around £1.4m in total and was able to keep 80% of it to spend, so managed to get the initial transfer kitty up to around £1.3m. If I were to start over (which I might well have to do if my 3rd season doesnt go well!) I might sell a few more as I've probably got a better idea on potential players to bring in now. Also, after keeping Becchio and McCormack and using them I was able to sell them for £3m and £1m at the end of the first season.

Just had a quick look at some Rangers players on my current save at at the end of the 2nd season, Lee Wallace had gone to QPR for £1.5m and Templeton was still at Rangers (but doesnt actually look that good anyway). I think it would probably a good idea to scout the whole Rangers squad at the start of the game though to see if any of them might be available on the cheap, good call that Macca! Leigh Griffiths moved to Kilmarnock for £475k but I've never been convinced he was that good. :D

I've actually ended up bringing in loads of Scandinavian players on my first save as that's where I focussed my scouting efforts, look to be some real bargains available there again. At the start of the 3rd season I've brought in familiar names like Torstein Andersen Aase, Robin Soder, a midfielder I've not come across before by the name of Stefan Johansen - all available fairly cheaply and look absolute quality at Championship level.

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In term of raising money at the start of the game, I tried offering out the highest value players and the most I was able to get was £1.9m for White, £1.4m for Lees, and had no takers for either McCormack or Becchio at £1m. I ended up only selling Poleon, Rachukba, Pugh, Brown and Connelly for around £1.4m in total and was able to keep 80% of it to spend, so managed to get the initial transfer kitty up to around £1.3m. If I were to start over (which I might well have to do if my 3rd season doesnt go well!) I might sell a few more as I've probably got a better idea on potential players to bring in now. Also, after keeping Becchio and McCormack and using them I was able to sell them for £3m and £1m at the end of the first season.

Just had a quick look at some Rangers players on my current save at at the end of the 2nd season, Lee Wallace had gone to QPR for £1.5m and Templeton was still at Rangers (but doesnt actually look that good anyway). I think it would probably a good idea to scout the whole Rangers squad at the start of the game though to see if any of them might be available on the cheap, good call that Macca! Leigh Griffiths moved to Kilmarnock for £475k but I've never been convinced he was that good. :D

I've actually ended up bringing in loads of Scandinavian players on my first save as that's where I focussed my scouting efforts, look to be some real bargains available there again. At the start of the 3rd season I've brought in familiar names like Torstein Andersen Aase, Robin Soder, a midfielder I've not come across before by the name of Stefan Johansen - all available fairly cheaply and look absolute quality at Championship level.

Cheers Coen, Templeton was a shot in the dark to see if the hype irl translated through to the game, clearly not as much. I have to agree that Scandinavia will be the place to scout cheap talent, I'll probably start in FMC and add Norway as a league.

I'm a bit gutted that the takeover didn't go through to be honest, we'll all be waiting for the post January patch. I think the loan market will probably be my primary focus, I think someone above got James McArthur, in the past I've usually used it to supplement the squad, but I think 2 first teamers will have to be brought in.

One last question Coen, how does Hall look? He will have missed the beta but fingers crossed he'll be in the squad for the full release...

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Ryan Hall hmm...just scouted him in game and my scouts only give him 2 stars, to be fair he does have mostly decent attributes for a winger (decent pace, crossing, flair, technique etc) but is let down by only 9 for decisions. Only really League 1 standard I'm afraid!

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Just a quick thought, I've been tweaking my tactics from FM12 to try and take into account some of the early feedback on FM13. These are based heavily on a tactic I downloaded ages ago with some tweaks to fit the squad as was in FM12.

I'm posting them here because I'm only really interested how they work with Leeds, and I can't take any credit for the base of the tactic. If any of you playing around with the beta want to give them a pre-season or a few games and let me know what you think I'd be grateful.

FM13_Leeds_4231.tac

FM13_Leeds_433.tac

The 4231 I generally use at home or against weaker opposition. The 433 is away from home and against anyone who I think is stronger.

Cheers

EDIT: Coen, shame about Hall, maybe following his signing he'll get a little boost, or will be good cover.

EDIT 2: I've also played the 433 at home for extended periods, that will more likely be the one that fits the squad from the get go, so feel free to test either / both.

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The 4-3-3 formation looks well suited to the players in the Leeds squad to start with. How well the other settings on it will work in FM13 who knows, but then I've struggled to get my fairly basic 4-4-2 to work on the beta even after signing players who were well suited to playing in it.

I'm finding I have to vary tactical settings every game based on scouting the opposition and trying to identify and counter their strengths and weaknesses to a much larger extent in FM13 than I did in FM12, which is actually more satisfying when it works.

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Ah, Quintero, what a legend.

No Jali or Bressan this year either, which is a shame, an Austin / Jali partnership would have been immense.

I've read through a couple of the other teams threads, and the Rangers one is interesting. If the full game is anything like the beta, they drain money every month and the likes of Wallace & Templeton are up for grabs cheap, Coen, where have these guys ended up in your second season?.

The other kid who was brilliant I seem to remember was Leigh Griffiths, he might still be a decent shout for the pacey goalscorer in the first season or so.

Not long to go now...

interested to know why you think jali and bressan are out?

got jali in the championship first window for 900k and bressan comes for similar

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Sold White for $4.4 M. Moved Rauchubka and Connelly as well. Had one start with multiple clauses for Garbutt, etc that I could buy out as negotiated. Only been able to sell the one for Howson $377k or something like that in every start since then. Is this just a random assignment that will vary, or has it been updated to be only the Howson buy out available?

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Ah, Quintero, what a legend.

No Jali or Bressan this year either, which is a shame, an Austin / Jali partnership would have been immense.

I've read through a couple of the other teams threads, and the Rangers one is interesting. If the full game is anything like the beta, they drain money every month and the likes of Wallace & Templeton are up for grabs cheap, Coen, where have these guys ended up in your second season?.

The other kid who was brilliant I seem to remember was Leigh Griffiths, he might still be a decent shout for the pacey goalscorer in the first season or so.

Not long to go now...

interested to know why you think jali and bressan are out?

got jali in the championship first window for 900k and bressan comes for similar

others to check on are:

Joseph Baffo

Stefan Strandberg

John Chibuike

awal issah

selnaes

stephane badji

vilsvik

joakim nilsen

toindouba

steffan hagen

simen brenne

all half decent from norway

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Sold White for $4.4 M. Moved Rauchubka and Connelly as well. Had one start with multiple clauses for Garbutt, etc that I could buy out as negotiated. Only been able to sell the one for Howson $377k or something like that in every start since then. Is this just a random assignment that will vary, or has it been updated to be only the Howson buy out available?

I'd be interested to know this too. I do know that on FM12 the game varied with one particular sell off clause at game start.

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Are those Africans you list likely to get permits Welshace?

And did you get scouting range upgraded from the board or just take (a well informed) punt on Jali?

Reason I ask that is. In the first press conference I always say my purchases will be from thoruogh scouting and it just dont seem right signing a player if i cant scout him.

Maybe I need to be more ruthless and trust you guys on here. ;-)

A decent R/B cropped up who I signed from Sweden. Emil Salomonsson of IFK Gothenberg. Seems speedy and dependable so far.

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On another note,

What about staff and training folks?

Gwyn Williams went to Norwich so I got Cantona in as DoF. (still getting to grips with this addition tbh.)

Got rid of most coaches and promoted Bobby Davidson to 1st team coaching (17 Att rating)

Also promoted Andy Leaning (goalkeeping) to work with Schmiechel who I brought in.

Usual suspects Paul Winsper brought in for fitness and Mark Chamberlain for tactics and ball control.

(Still really using the Beta as a "test run" really)

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On another note,

What about staff and training folks?

Gwyn Williams went to Norwich so I got Cantona in as DoF. (still getting to grips with this addition tbh.)

Got rid of most coaches and promoted Bobby Davidson to 1st team coaching (17 Att rating)

Also promoted Andy Leaning (goalkeeping) to work with Schmiechel who I brought in.

Usual suspects Paul Winsper brought in for fitness and Mark Chamberlain for tactics and ball control.

(Still really using the Beta as a "test run" really)

I'm not on beta, but on full game I will load all players from Brazil as, besides the quality dual nationals that you can pick up, it also brings into the game some top quality (4 & 1/2*) coaches. For example, I see from the good staff thread that Paulo César Batista dos Santos is available for free at game start.

Great to see that Williams can be removed without compensation at game start. Neil Warnock will be pleased, allegedly.

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does the squad fits to play 4-4-1-1?

I think it can be done but would mean having to play White and Byram in the wide roles in the midfield 4 if it's a flat 4, when they're probably better used in defence. The starting squad has good players for the AML/AMR positions but not really for a AMC, so overall I don't think the starting squad is well suited to a 4-4-1-1 but it could be done with the addition of a few players.

One other point on the scouting, I've found it impossible to get the Board to extend my scouting range beyond Europe so far, and I've also found that even if I know the name of a player and am pretty sure they are in my database, they don't come up in a player search unless they are within my scouting range/knowledge which I'm sure if different to previous years. So signing players from outside your scouting range seems to be a lot harder than it was on previous FMs.

I've not really done much with my coaches/DoF as yet - I'll look to sort that out once I get to the Premier League. :D

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Are those Africans you list likely to get permits Welshace?

And did you get scouting range upgraded from the board or just take (a well informed) punt on Jali?

Reason I ask that is. In the first press conference I always say my purchases will be from thoruogh scouting and it just dont seem right signing a player if i cant scout him.

Maybe I need to be more ruthless and trust you guys on here. ;-)

A decent R/B cropped up who I signed from Sweden. Emil Salomonsson of IFK Gothenberg. Seems speedy and dependable so far.

Jali was bought by almost everybody on the FM12 Leeds thread. He was top quality on FM12 and, along with the likes of Bressan/Quintero/Jackson Martinez/Diane, he was pretty much a must buy. It's brilliant to see that Welshace says that he is available again this year.

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