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Regen's - Pre-Programmed or Random?

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It's come to light that, Regenerated players are far from random, as we are led to believe. In my understanding, a regen gets "born" at random on the opening day of each new season (19th June for N. Ireland), with randomly picked PA/CA determined on National Rep, and a Random name pulled from a hat of names belonging to that nation. (I.E - England may see a lot of Smiths, Browns, Johns and Steves)

But currently, I have to argue this.

I'm currently playing [B]Gundo's Challenge[/B], I'm sure you know what its about, and there a few of us managing in N. Ireland. One user on the thread had a phenomenal forward named [B]Ben Kenney[/B], who was english. (Born 1994).

Many years into my game, I signed a young promising striker, english, named [B]Ben Kenney[/B]. Being English and with the same name i thought coincidental. Until I noticed the actual D.O.B

Ben Kenney 1 - D.O.B = 21.2.1994
Ben Kenney 2 - D.O.B = [B]21.2.2003[/B]

Amazing. I thought, what a massive coincidence, left it there, and thought nothing more of it. Until today.

It turns out, ANOTHER user has ANOTHER [B]Ben Kenney[/B] with the D.O.B @ [B]21.2[/B].1993

They are all "Regens". They are all different save games. But they are all the very same player.

This leads me to believe, how random are the "random" regens?

How many others on this forum have a Ben Kenney of their own born on the 21st of Feb in any particular year,

and how long are SI going to pull the wool over our eyes on this matter? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[URL=http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png ]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/URL]

Coincidence? I think not.

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It's come to light that, Regenerated players are far from random, as we are led to believe. In my understanding, a regen gets "born" at random on the opening day of each new season (19th June for N. Ireland), with randomly picked PA/CA determined on National Rep, and a Random name pulled from a hat of names belonging to that nation. (I.E - England may see a lot of Smiths, Browns, Johns and Steves)

But currently, I have to argue this.

I'm currently playing [B]Gundo's Challenge[/B], I'm sure you know what its about, and there a few of us managing in N. Ireland. One user on the thread had a phenomenal forward named [B]Ben Kenney[/B], who was english. (Born 1994).

Many years into my game, I signed a young promising striker, english, named [B]Ben Kenney[/B]. Being English and with the same name i thought coincidental. Until I noticed the actual D.O.B

Ben Kenney 1 - D.O.B = 21.2.1994
Ben Kenney 2 - D.O.B = [B]21.2.2003[/B]

Amazing. I thought, what a massive coincidence, left it there, and thought nothing more of it. Until today.

It turns out, ANOTHER user has ANOTHER [B]Ben Kenney[/B] with the D.O.B @ [B]21.2[/B].1993

They are all "Regens". They are all different save games. But they are all the very same player.

This leads me to believe, how random are the "random" regens?

How many others on this forum have a Ben Kenney of their own born on the 21st of Feb in any particular year,

and how long are SI going to pull the wool over our eyes on this matter? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[URL=http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png ]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/URL]

Coincidence? I think not.

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/url]

Sorry. Fixed links.

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[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]

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bah! not in my game, i feel left out now! [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]
on a serious note, its an interesting point, will be interesting to note just how many Ben Kenney's there are out there...

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Very Interesting. Never actually noticed it myself but maybe I'm not looking hard enough, I'll have a look in my current game for any Ben Kennedys.

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I personally think Ben Kenney will appear on anyones game so long as it is a long-term career game. I'm in 2024 and he's 23 IIRC. I reckon you must be 10+ seasons.

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Does it matter a whole heap as long as the positon he gets "generated", his stats and his ca/pa are all random?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iacovone:
I personally think Ben Kenney will appear on anyones game so long as it is a long-term career game. I'm in 2024 and he's 23 IIRC. I reckon you must be 10+ seasons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Annihilators Ben Kenney was borin in 1994, meaning it would be around the 2010 mark when he was introduced into that save game.

iacovone, also D.O.B @ 21.2, and also an attacking player.

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Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different, so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random?

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[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Another Ben Kenney.[/url]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. [B]The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different,[/B] so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Another Ben Kenney.[/url] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[img]http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif[/img] - At least he a little different. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/url]
[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Ben Kenney 5 (Belonging to CoachFlu)[/url]

Anyone seen "The Dave Gorman Project" before? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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I found one on my game too, 21/2/91 [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

He's rotting in Warrington reserves and a goalie...

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[url="http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5762/benkenneyprofileej3.png"]Here he is...[/url]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grecian_03:
I found one on my game too, 21/2/91 [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

He's rotting in Warrington reserves and a goalie... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
please upload a screenie!!!!

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Probably the random function used within FM uses the in-game date as a seed... nothing wrong with that, imo.

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ)[/url]
[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Ben Kenney 5 (Belonging to CoachFlu)[/url]
[url="http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5762/benkenneyprofileej3.png"]Ben Kenney 6 (Beloning to Grecian_03[/url]

Anyone seen "The Dave Gorman Project" before? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. [B]The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different,[/B] so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh, my bad. Was looking at the wrong date [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

You're onto something here. The next step is to choose another regen at random and see if the same pattern occurs. I too have a Ben Kenney bvorn on the same date.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by masteR+_+:
Probably the random function used within FM uses the in-game date as a seed... nothing wrong with that, imo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I mean, regarding player names that is.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. [B]The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different,[/B] so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh, my bad. Was looking at the wrong date [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

You're onto something here. The next step is to choose another regen at random and see if the same pattern occurs. I too have a Ben Kenney bvorn on the same date. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Care to upload a screenshot? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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[url="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8129/benkenneyoe5.jpg"]Here ya go, Ben Kenney the 7th[/url]

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ)[/url]
[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Ben Kenney 5 (Belonging to CoachFlu)[/url]
[url="http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5762/benkenneyprofileej3.png"]Ben Kenney 6 (Beloning to Grecian_03)[/url]
[url="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8129/benkenneyoe5.jpg"]Ben Kenney 7 (Belonging to Neji)[/url]

Anyone seen "The Dave Gorman Project" before? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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Ben Kenney is a tester at SI
There are a few testers that are regenerated in the game depending on which leagues you have running, in total there about 15 or so
The testers were asked if they wanted to be in the game as possible future regens and their details were taken. Among the details were name, D.O.B, nationality, favourite team.
If you look at all the Ben Kenneys in the game you should find his favourite team is Tottenham
All other newgens are generated differently is different games

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Ah, thanks for the explanation [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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What about their abilities? There's one more guy who appears in various games, with a rather complicated asian name - his initials are S.S. and he always turns out to be one of the best players in the world. Ben Kenney also seems to be a minor star in the game.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
Ben Kenney is a tester at SI
There are a few testers that are regenerated in the game depending on which leagues you have running, in total there about 15 or so
The testers were asked if they wanted to be in the game as possible future regens and their details were taken. Among the details were name, D.O.B, nationality, favourite team.
If you look at all the Ben Kenneys in the game you should find his favourite team is Tottenham
All other newgens are generated differently is different games </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[img]http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif[/img]
An improved "face in the game" then.

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[img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Thanks for clearing that up. I was trying to think of a possible reason that this would happen [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then I guess that explains everything. Amazing how Ben Kenney finds his way into a lot of User controlled teams.!

Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers.

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There's no Gordon Dunbar in my game yet. I will search for you every season.

Ever thought about getting a thread made up where people can detail the career of you guys?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Found you except your a crap centreback in my save. No offense Gudge. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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LOL @ Ben Kenney ave team =Spuds, Olly Kenney = Arsenal.

Must have been fun in that household as kids.!

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cool, on fm07 I had a regen called James Michael (cm) who was brilliant, then started again and low and behold another regen called James Michael appeared this time a CF and also brilliant.

That explains it I guess

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/GordonDunbar2607.jpg"]A bit better than a crap reserve goalie in my game.[/url] [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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I honestly think we need a thread dedicated to this [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Gordon, you look good for B'burn there.!

Do you happen to know all of the SI Members that signed up for this? I would search for all of them, but some may not have been created yet, and you be buggered if i'm searching 300 people a season [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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[B]No Fecking way.![/B]

Something just bought a smile to my face.

One of the Testers in the game "Tom Laskowski" was with me at Knockbreda from 2015/16 - 2021/22, when I went on to sell him for £275,000 to Reading.!

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I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems like you're quite good on my game Gudge. [url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/dunbar.jpg"]As a Centre Back[/url] and playing for Rangers, you've had a mighty fine career!

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Ok, last one for now, i promise.

In my game, "Luke Warrington" the test, plays for......[B]Warrington[/B]

You couldn't make this up.!

Screenie to come later.

Gudge, thanks for the response. Thats a shame, i remember there being something in FM06 or 07 that you could edit. Nevermind. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shame, would be a nice idea like the future chairman.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iacovone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems like you're quite good on my game Gudge. [url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/dunbar.jpg"]As a Centre Back[/url] and playing for Rangers, you've had a mighty fine career! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YAS, a dream come true. I've also been capped for The Motherland [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
LOL @ Ben Kenney ave team =Spuds, Olly Kenney = Arsenal.

Must have been fun in that household as kids.! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was until the other week [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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