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Regen's - Pre-Programmed or Random?

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It's come to light that, Regenerated players are far from random, as we are led to believe. In my understanding, a regen gets "born" at random on the opening day of each new season (19th June for N. Ireland), with randomly picked PA/CA determined on National Rep, and a Random name pulled from a hat of names belonging to that nation. (I.E - England may see a lot of Smiths, Browns, Johns and Steves)

But currently, I have to argue this.

I'm currently playing [B]Gundo's Challenge[/B], I'm sure you know what its about, and there a few of us managing in N. Ireland. One user on the thread had a phenomenal forward named [B]Ben Kenney[/B], who was english. (Born 1994).

Many years into my game, I signed a young promising striker, english, named [B]Ben Kenney[/B]. Being English and with the same name i thought coincidental. Until I noticed the actual D.O.B

Ben Kenney 1 - D.O.B = 21.2.1994
Ben Kenney 2 - D.O.B = [B]21.2.2003[/B]

Amazing. I thought, what a massive coincidence, left it there, and thought nothing more of it. Until today.

It turns out, ANOTHER user has ANOTHER [B]Ben Kenney[/B] with the D.O.B @ [B]21.2[/B].1993

They are all "Regens". They are all different save games. But they are all the very same player.

This leads me to believe, how random are the "random" regens?

How many others on this forum have a Ben Kenney of their own born on the 21st of Feb in any particular year,

and how long are SI going to pull the wool over our eyes on this matter? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[URL=http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png ]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/URL]

Coincidence? I think not.

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It's come to light that, Regenerated players are far from random, as we are led to believe. In my understanding, a regen gets "born" at random on the opening day of each new season (19th June for N. Ireland), with randomly picked PA/CA determined on National Rep, and a Random name pulled from a hat of names belonging to that nation. (I.E - England may see a lot of Smiths, Browns, Johns and Steves)

But currently, I have to argue this.

I'm currently playing [B]Gundo's Challenge[/B], I'm sure you know what its about, and there a few of us managing in N. Ireland. One user on the thread had a phenomenal forward named [B]Ben Kenney[/B], who was english. (Born 1994).

Many years into my game, I signed a young promising striker, english, named [B]Ben Kenney[/B]. Being English and with the same name i thought coincidental. Until I noticed the actual D.O.B

Ben Kenney 1 - D.O.B = 21.2.1994
Ben Kenney 2 - D.O.B = [B]21.2.2003[/B]

Amazing. I thought, what a massive coincidence, left it there, and thought nothing more of it. Until today.

It turns out, ANOTHER user has ANOTHER [B]Ben Kenney[/B] with the D.O.B @ [B]21.2[/B].1993

They are all "Regens". They are all different save games. But they are all the very same player.

This leads me to believe, how random are the "random" regens?

How many others on this forum have a Ben Kenney of their own born on the 21st of Feb in any particular year,

and how long are SI going to pull the wool over our eyes on this matter? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[URL=http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png ]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/URL]

Coincidence? I think not.

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/url]

Sorry. Fixed links.

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[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]

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bah! not in my game, i feel left out now! [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]
on a serious note, its an interesting point, will be interesting to note just how many Ben Kenney's there are out there...

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Very Interesting. Never actually noticed it myself but maybe I'm not looking hard enough, I'll have a look in my current game for any Ben Kennedys.

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Does it matter a whole heap as long as the positon he gets "generated", his stats and his ca/pa are all random?

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Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different, so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. [B]The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different,[/B] so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th.

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ[/url]
[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Ben Kenney 5 (Belonging to CoachFlu)[/url]

Anyone seen "The Dave Gorman Project" before? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grecian_03:
I found one on my game too, 21/2/91 [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

He's rotting in Warrington reserves and a goalie... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
please upload a screenie!!!!

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Probably the random function used within FM uses the in-game date as a seed... nothing wrong with that, imo.

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ)[/url]
[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Ben Kenney 5 (Belonging to CoachFlu)[/url]
[url="http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5762/benkenneyprofileej3.png"]Ben Kenney 6 (Beloning to Grecian_03[/url]

Anyone seen "The Dave Gorman Project" before? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by masteR+_+:
Probably the random function used within FM uses the in-game date as a seed... nothing wrong with that, imo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I mean, regarding player names that is.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
Interesting but it doesn't really prove anything. [B]The 4th one doesn't count either as his DOB is different,[/B] so thats very easily coincidental. The other three are suspect. It still maybe a coincidence though. Maybe its a problem with DOB not being entirely random? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not different. You must have looked at the contract expiry date. 21.2.2003 for the 4th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh, my bad. Was looking at the wrong date [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

You're onto something here. The next step is to choose another regen at random and see if the same pattern occurs. I too have a Ben Kenney bvorn on the same date. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Care to upload a screenshot? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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[url="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8129/benkenneyoe5.jpg"]Here ya go, Ben Kenney the 7th[/url]

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[url="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/george.patton1/FM/gundo/19-20/topscorer.jpg"]Ben Kenney 1 (Belonging to Annihilator)[/url]
[url="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/100/kenkenkenkenkennypd7.jpg"]Ben Kenney 2 (Belonging to bnek)[/url]
[url="http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/NepentheZ/Knockbreda/?action=view¤t=Picture3-2.png"]Ben Kenney 3 (Belonging to NepentheZ)[/url]
[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/kenney.jpg"]Ben Kenney 4 (Belonging to iacovone)[/url]
[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/BenKenney2607.jpg"]Ben Kenney 5 (Belonging to CoachFlu)[/url]
[url="http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5762/benkenneyprofileej3.png"]Ben Kenney 6 (Beloning to Grecian_03)[/url]
[url="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8129/benkenneyoe5.jpg"]Ben Kenney 7 (Belonging to Neji)[/url]

Anyone seen "The Dave Gorman Project" before? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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Ben Kenney is a tester at SI
There are a few testers that are regenerated in the game depending on which leagues you have running, in total there about 15 or so
The testers were asked if they wanted to be in the game as possible future regens and their details were taken. Among the details were name, D.O.B, nationality, favourite team.
If you look at all the Ben Kenneys in the game you should find his favourite team is Tottenham
All other newgens are generated differently is different games

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What about their abilities? There's one more guy who appears in various games, with a rather complicated asian name - his initials are S.S. and he always turns out to be one of the best players in the world. Ben Kenney also seems to be a minor star in the game.

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[img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Thanks for clearing that up. I was trying to think of a possible reason that this would happen [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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There's no Gordon Dunbar in my game yet. I will search for you every season.

Ever thought about getting a thread made up where people can detail the career of you guys?

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LOL @ Ben Kenney ave team =Spuds, Olly Kenney = Arsenal.

Must have been fun in that household as kids.!

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cool, on fm07 I had a regen called James Michael (cm) who was brilliant, then started again and low and behold another regen called James Michael appeared this time a CF and also brilliant.

That explains it I guess

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I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited

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Ok, last one for now, i promise.

In my game, "Luke Warrington" the test, plays for......[B]Warrington[/B]

You couldn't make this up.!

Screenie to come later.

Gudge, thanks for the response. Thats a shame, i remember there being something in FM06 or 07 that you could edit. Nevermind. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iacovone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems like you're quite good on my game Gudge. [url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/dunbar.jpg"]As a Centre Back[/url] and playing for Rangers, you've had a mighty fine career! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YAS, a dream come true. I've also been capped for The Motherland [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
LOL @ Ben Kenney ave team =Spuds, Olly Kenney = Arsenal.

Must have been fun in that household as kids.! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was until the other week [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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Sorry for double post but your brother not Barry is it Gudge? [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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There better be a good Ed Lambert out there, in my game I'm rubbish and retired [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
LOL @ Ben Kenney ave team =Spuds, Olly Kenney = Arsenal.

Must have been fun in that household as kids.! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Olly is full of bitterness that Ben is Batman to his Penguin [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/SimonTipple2607.jpg"]Tipple.[/url] Not exactly world class, but decent. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
(entire career at Birmingham)

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Good news Ed, you're pretty good on my game. But at the very end of your career, screenie to follow

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[url="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/mattkewan/season17/lambert.jpg"]Ed Lambert[/url]

Reckon you were quite a player back in the day. I've been advised not to sign you though [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

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Cheers can I have a screenshot of my history page as well please [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
if you look in the credits there should be a few people from the SI Testing team that are in various games
I'd advise you to sign me but it seems everytime i'm generated im a crap reserve goalkeeper [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

search for Gordon Dunbar, my favourite team will be Rangers [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had you and Ben Keneny in my team at the same time. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

You were a black left-back...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gudge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, Gudge, as your here, what is the file I can amend to make myself one of these future regens? Cheers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, there isn't a file that can be edited </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are we sure of that?

There was in FM'05, you could use the EDT/DDT system to create future regens. I'd be a bit surprised if they hard-coded you guys instead of using that system..

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Chelsea [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/SimonTipple2607.jpg"]Tipple.[/url] Not exactly world class, but decent. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
(entire career at Birmingham) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not bad not bad! Hopefully finish my career at Brighton! [img]http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/SimonTipple2607.jpg"]Tipple.[/url] Not exactly world class, but decent. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
(entire career at Birmingham) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not bad not bad! Hopefully finish my career at Brighton! [img]http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Entire Career at Birmingham [img]http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon13.gif[/img]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
I have yet to see a decent Simon Tipple. So if I'm a world class striker in anyone's game I'd love too see it. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[url="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z9/CoachFlu/Meld/SimonTipple2607.jpg"]Tipple.[/url] Not exactly world class, but decent. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
(entire career at Birmingham) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remenber those days, and when you asked a player report they would come up with funny things, like one of th SI guys asked not to play cause he might mess up, or another asked to put his wife name on the back of the jersey, or the massive size of another that woul block all the of the Goal.

Very good time man.

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i've got 20 of you in my game currently [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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Fantastic thread.

I've got all of the testers mentioned above in my game.

They're all useless by the way with little more than 2 stars for potential [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

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This was on the old ones too.

Judricel Soreiu
Noppol Patchwongsakada

etc.

I think they were researchers but I may be wrong..

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[url="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/lwwwl/ScreenShot043-1.jpg"]my ben[/url]

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I have ben kenney in my kettering researves at the moment, out on loan.

Harwood, im afraid to say that you are coaching barrow and to be honest you aint setting the world alight. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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