SteveUK Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 On the plus side though we only need a point to get into Europa i think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Olympiakos 3-1 Montpellier is a concern. No way can we trust this lot to go to Piraeus needing a result. agreed. We are not going through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
g00n Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 If we beat Montpellier at home and Schalke beat Olympiakos at home in the next round, both us and Schalke are through before playing the last game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I am also another big critic of Wenger. However, I don't usually criticize Wenger for the same reasons the anti-Wenger brigade usually do. I don't blame him for selling our best players. When the players want to leave, there's not much you can do except make the most out of it. "Good piece of business" was the most we can hope for from each of the sale of our best players, I believe. When Anelka wanted to leave for the bigger Madrid, we had to sell, and we made good business. When Overmars and Petit were lured by Barcelona, we had to sell, and we made good business. When Ronaldo set his heart on Madrid, Man Utd had to sell, and they made good business. No exception even among the fiercest rivalry, such as when Campbell moved to us, or when Figo moved to Madrid. I never criticize Wenger for lack of will. Some people call Wenger a loser, a defeatist who doesn't care about winning. I don't know where people get this from. I see no evidence of this at all. Every time I see Wenger on the touchline, I see nothing but fire. I think we can accuse Wenger of so many things, but lack of will to win is most definitely not one of them. I think Wenger care just as much, if not more than most of us. This is his career, his life, his legacy. However, I believe there is much we can blame Wenger. We can blame Wenger for his poor defensive coaching. Numerous changes to the playing squad, and he still can't get his team to defend properly. We can blame Wenger for his wage structure. We've been told time and time again that Wenger has full control of the budget, and investing heavily in his youth products was his approach. It has failed. His youth products haven't turned out as good as he hoped, he can't reinvest the money because nobody is willing to pay them as much we do, and it has limited our resources in investing in better players, since they're tied down to the likes of Denilson and Diaby. We can blame Wenger for poor acquisitions. Park, Chamakh, Gervinho, Squilaci, etc have proven less than cost-effective. This is particularly important to us because we don't have the resources to cope with these waste. We need to make the most of our limited resources, but instead Wenger wasted them on these players. We can blame Wenger for choosing to rely on players with awful injury-record. Going into the season with 2 youngsters who suffered horrendous injury (Ramsey and Wilshere) one of which was still recovering with no set date, and 2 midfielders with some of the worst injury record (Diaby and Rosicky) have proven to be very risky. At the left-back position, Wenger chose to get rid of Clichy because he wasn't playing well, but he chose to rely on a young prospect also with bad injury record, Gibbs. Clichy and Gibbs are superior to Gibbs and Santos both in terms of ability and reliability simply because Clichy is superior to Santos in both cases. The right decision might have been to promote Gibbs ahead of Clichy, to encourage competition while still retaining the service of Clichy. This is of course assuming that Wenger chose to get rid of Clichy rather than Clichy wanting to leave. Although I don't think we should give Wenger a hard time for making the most out of all the sales of our players, Wenger has no one to blame but himself for the fact that those players wanting to leave us in the first place. Our lack of success and resources, probably the two biggest reasons players leave us are a direct consequence of Wenger's failures. Personally, I don't think Wenger is overachieving as some of the Arsene-Know-Best suggest. Wenger is not performing miracles. He's not the only one who can do this job. However, nor is he underachieving as the anti-Wenger would have us believe either. We have resources for top 4, and Wenger has achieved top 4 every single year, but we don't have as much resources as the top 3, and Wenger has failed to compete with them. In conclusion, we're probably right about where we should be. We have top 4 resources, but not enough to be competing against for the titles, and that's exactly where we are. If we want to compete for titles, which I think everyone do, and some still expect us to do, then we need a manager who can punch above his weight. We need a manager who can bring more out of our resources than Wenger can, by improving our players, improving our team's organization, culture, and habits, and improve our transfer dealings. Who that is, I don't know. However, I'm quite certain Wenger is not that man. Wenger, as things stand, can only make us perform as well as our resources suggest we should, and that is top 4, and good cup runs. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for long post. :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I agree with lots of what you put but I do feel that to an extent miracles are being performed on the back of the problems he helped to create such as wage policy amongst others. I do feel the youth products thing was forced upon him but he was very keen to do it as clearly it was something he always wanted to do. On the Clichy thing I believe that course of action would have led to him wanting to leave and anyway it was clear that Clichy was going nowhere in terms of performance and needed a new start. What I have an issue with is that he didn't sign a better lb and there were some available such as Santon and Enrique. Wenger is doing an acceptable job. In terms of net transfer spend he is very disadvantaged resources but in terms of wages he is to an extent which he caused anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Would **** myself it you guys got Redknapp, it’ll never happen but would be hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Jenks in the England squad subject to FIFA clearance \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Jenks in the England squad subject to FIFA clearance \o/ Hes called up Wilshere too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Hes called up Wilshere too. Just to wind up Wenger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTG Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 what is arsenals back for when everyone is fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Woj Sagna, PerMer, TV5, Gibbs It should be Kos instead of TV5, but thats what Wenger would pick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I think that would be very good as i feel that Santos exposes TV much more than Gibbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Vermaelen can **** off. We are not winning tomorrow are we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugster Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Remember, Fulham don't have Zamora so we have every chance of winning. We should be grand tomorrow as long as Coquelin starts over Ramsey. If Ramsey starts we won't win, we won't even draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Ramsey will start on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Ramsey will start on the wing. I think since Walcott didn't have to play 120 min in mid-week, plus he scored a goal, I expect to see him start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Off to my second game of the season tomorrow \o/ First time I've done 2 games in a season since we had Flamini I think :o. Uni sucks the life out of my bank account. Hopefully should get a similar game to the Southampton one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 We may be able to snatch a draw today if we play to our current standards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Anything is possible remember the Spurs game last season? In horrific form up till that point and then we play some excellent football in the match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Mannone, Sagna, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Coquelin, Arteta, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski, Giroud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugster Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 No Ramsey or Santos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thumping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 going well so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Jesus christ shocking defending by all accounts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Was pretty poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergkamp Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Why can't we pass the ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Why can't we pass the ball? Or defend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 horrendous defending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Or do anything. Confidence or lack of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 going well so far Keeping my mouth shut in future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Boos at half time. Really is quite horrible to watch at the moment. To sum it up for me Cazorla's fighting for the ball on the floor and there's 3 Arsenal players within 5 yards of him just watching #not fit to wear the shirt! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 hate his not fit to wear the shirt sentiment it's just bollocks and seems to raise it some pedestal that it doesn't deserve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Game of the day at this rate for Sky Sports, so will get to watch it later, till then got the Fulham goal alert that is Matt Le Tissier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 hate his not fit to wear the shirt sentiment it's just bollocks and seems to raise it some pedestal that it doesn't deserve ??? It just sounds better than not fit to play for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 ??? It just sounds better than not fit to play for the club. Not really and it is all melodramatic bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I do happen to put my club on a pedestal and expect a high standard, the wear the shirt phrase is just a way of expressing dissapointment. It's no more melodramatic than many other expressions! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The saviour is on. so greedy, Theo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Judging by the excitement in le tissiers voice is a pen to fulham? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Yep, Berbs scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Girouuudddd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 What a game. Tackle, Kos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergkamp Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Yeah, you could say what a game, but if arsenal want to push on they need to be taking the lead and then dominating these games. We take the lead and then stop playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Arsene always seems to get Arsenal to fight back when they most need to but they don't seem to be able to push beyond that when it matters often enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Arse penner... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Lol. typical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 arsenal can **** off, even with that lifeline we can't take it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Guess its fair we shouldnt of had that pen apparently, still first home pen in 25 premier league games :| Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klimowicz Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I don't know what to say anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 my predictions are coming true though, draw to schalke, draw fulham, lose to spurs... :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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