dking Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rafa, No they aren't all supposed to like each other, and where was it that I said they should? I suggested that players don't get on, on the pitch, so why cry about it when the opposition player snarls at you? That's football. Not sure where you came up with the 'players are supposed to like each other now?' bit. It's fine if he doesn't like him, on the pitch, as people are generally very different on the pitch than they are off it, especially people with a will to win at nearly all costs. I said that he's (Ashley) a cretin for saying that he has no time for the guy when he doesn't know him, as a person. And if Agger came out and made a similar character assassination attempt, in an auto biography, about somebody he didn't know, then yes, I would say he was a cretin as well, because he would be. Anyway, Ashley will probably leave the feild with some twisted blood. Not sure when players and managers are going to learn not to wind him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Suarez hat trick coming up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Didier Drogba has asked FIFA for special dispensation to let him go out on loan outside of the transfer window. FIFA are currently considering it... Probably back to Chelsea. Either that or they'll try to buy Suarez in January and flog Torres back to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rafa,No they aren't all supposed to like each other, and where was it that I said they should? I suggested that players don't get on, on the pitch, so why cry about it when the opposition player snarls at you? That's football. Not sure where you came up with the 'players are supposed to like each other now?' bit. It's fine if he doesn't like him, on the pitch, as people are generally very different on the pitch than they are off it, especially people with a will to win at nearly all costs. I said that he's (Ashley) a cretin for saying that he has no time for the guy when he doesn't know him, as a person. And if Agger came out and made a similar character assassination attempt, in an auto biography, about somebody he didn't know, then yes, I would say he was a cretin as well, because he would be. Anyway, Ashley will probably leave the feild with some twisted blood. Not sure when players and managers are going to learn not to wind him up. really? you're getting angry about him saying 'he's got no time for him'? you consider that character assassination? can't see anywhere him suggesting what Suarez is like off the pitch either. i've got no time for Barton but I don't know him in person, does that make me a bad person? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 really? you're getting angry about him saying 'he's got no time for him'? you consider that character assassination?can't see anywhere him suggesting what Suarez is like off the pitch either. i've got no time for Barton but I don't know him in person, does that make me a bad person? I consider the whole thing character assassination, not just the part you decided to include in your post. And him saying he has no time for the guy, for me, is him saying he wants nothing to do with him, anywhere, ever, which is pretty self explanatory. At least that's what I'm getting from it. You could probably have chosen a better example than Barton to try and prove your point, as we all know what type of person he is, off the pitch, and on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yep, your a bad person... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 we should call him luis "the scream" suarez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I consider the whole thing character assassination, not just the part you decided to include in your post. And him saying he has no time for the guy, for me, is him saying he wants nothing to do with him, anywhere, ever, which is pretty self explanatory. At least that's what I'm getting from it.You could probably have chosen a better example than Barton to try and prove your point, as we all know what type of person he is, off the pitch, and on it. the rest isn't a character assassination if it's true and honestly it's hardly a surprising portrayal of Suarez is it? He does go down easy, he does contest everything, he is incredibly hot headed on the pitch. No problem with one player not liking another player because of those attributes and saying he doesn't want anything to do with them off the pitch either (and i think you might be reading too much into that anyway), really don't get what the big deal is there at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'd say it was bordering on character assassination when the truth comes out, but only for one player, when there are a fair few other players (and managers) that cheat and attempt to influence refs all the time, but you don't see them being called out for it constantly. When it's more of an even playing field, then I'm sure it wouldn't bother me so much as I know Luis is no angel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 tbf that's largely down to suarez's own fault Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 On a completely different note - How would people feel about Rafa going to Chelsea? Wouldn't like it myself as he just might make them unbeatable with the resources, and players available to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I don't think he's the manager he once was. Think it'd work out pretty badly for Chelsea, tbh. The fact that they hate him, and he's thought of as a laughing stock by a fair percentage of non-Liverpool fans doesn't bode well either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I couldnt care less. If he does well then good for him but I doubt he will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It might impact us getting Torres back on the cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Benitez takes charge, sells Hazard and Torres to Liverpool for £5m? I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yeah the fans aren't gonna like it, and Rafa needs time to build a squad his own way rather than being expected to do a job as an interim manager. I am a little bit jealous I have to say, have always thought he went to early and was a victim of circumstance as well as cracking under the pressure. If he came back to LFC i'd be happy, as long as he bought Xabi and Torres with him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I think Nando would probably be the one man inside Chelsea hoping Rafa goes there but I can see it going about 6 months even if it was successful before he falls out with Ambrovich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What if he tries to take Lucas?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Can't see Lucas going tbh. Will take a fairly big offer to require his services also. I can see Rafa going and building that Chelsea team around Torres tbh and having him bang them in for fun again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morology Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 what Torres did to Richard Steadman of Wolves after being manhandled all game, beat him, score and then hand him the ball :****) That was amazing. Fernando :*( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Can't see Lucas going tbh. Will take a fairly big offer to require his services also.I can see Rafa going and building that Chelsea team around Torres tbh and having him bang them in for fun again. Totally agree regarding Rafa - he will get Torres back firing and with Mata in behind they will become a formidable side. Might stick some money on them for the title if he gets the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I wouldnt bother. They will finish third, about 6 or 7pts behind one of the Manchester clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 They looked pretty formidable when playing Man Utd... even with 9 men Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 That's disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rafalution to start posting in the wrong thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 We should banish him from this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Anyone know if that fake Lucas account is still up and running? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I'll be honest since some of you are in denial. utterly gutted to see rafa go to chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Think we're all gutted, just trying to hide it. Made the mistake of watching him crying at the Hillsborough memorial again just now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Gutted to see him go to Chelsea but I wish him all the best. Respect the man so much for everything he done for us on and off the pitch. Was only a matter of time before someone of the magnitude of Chelsea came in for him and with the resources available to him, I can't see how he will fail. He will show everyone how he could have progressed us as a club with the right funding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 They don't deserve a manager as good as Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Based on number of starting appearances. Our starting squad at the end of the season before Rafa took over was: Dudek, Riise, Hyypia, Biscan, Carragher, Kewell, Hamann, Gerrard, Murphy, Heskey, OwenSubs: Kirkland, Henchoz, Finnan, Cheyrou, Diouf, Smicer, Baros At his peak and when backed with money, the squad was: Reina, Aurelio, Agger, Carragher, Finnan, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, TorresSubs: Cavalieri, Skrtel, Insua, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, Keane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Based on number of starting appearances. Our starting squad at the end of the season before Rafa took over was:At his peak and when backed with money, the squad was: not to mention: pacheco, sterling, suso, shelvey, wisdom, sinclair... his work with our academy is only just starting to pay dividends which we'll be reaping for a decade or more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Shelvey? Really? Are you sure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Pretty sure he was signed when Rafa was in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 May 2010 a few weeks before Rafa went. Not looking bad for £1.7m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Shelvey? Really? Are you sure? as I recall from an interview with him, rafa made the initial approach and was in the process of the transfer when he was sacked. kenny finished the deal and roy rubber stamped it when he came on. or at least that was how it sounded to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Fecking hell.... It's like.... a betrayal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlater Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rafa should never have got rid of Ayestaran. He's not been the same manager at any point since. Will be interesting to see if he gets him in at Chelsea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Fecking hell.... It's like.... a betrayal Don't blame him for taking the job tbh - he couldn't wait all day for our owners to come calling, and as soon as they went for Rodgers in the summer I think he would have known there was little chance of him coming back to Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rafa should never have got rid of Ayestaran. He's not been the same manager at any point since. Will be interesting to see if he gets him in at Chelsea Rafa didn't get rid of him, he quit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlater Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rafa didn't get rid of him, he quit. He walked, yeah. Few interesting reasons cited at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 And Pakos not Really done much of note since to be fair, he was pretty much sacked tho wasn't he i seem to remember him being put on "gardening leave" for 6 months or so till his contract was up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 2012/13 Alberto Aquilani with 3 goals and 3 assists in 6 games for Fiorentina Dirk Kuyt with 5 goals and 1 assist in 7 games for Fenerbache Tom Ince with 10 goals and 6 assists in 15 games for Blackpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Do you remember the days? Did you forget those days? What would the odds maker say? Would the odds maker say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Gutted to see him gone, disappointed he went there, but by the same token I think he had to take it. Longer unemployment means it would have gotten harder to get a job if he'd kept knocking them back. They will be scary as **** with that front 4 and Rafa in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falahk Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 2012/13Alberto Aquilani with 3 goals and 3 assists in 6 games for Fiorentina Dirk Kuyt with 5 goals and 1 assist in 7 games for Fenerbache Tom Ince with 10 goals and 6 assists in 15 games for Blackpool Aquilani > Allen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Hall Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 No idea why you think Rafa's going to be good for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Because he's a top manager ? despite what the British press what everyone to believe. His only problem i see at Chelsea is do some of the players really give a damn, and do they "want" to be coached by anyone ? and that's a problem any manager will have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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