foofighter23 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 the whole midfield were poor today. allen, gerrard, sahin and shelvey offered very little overall, though i do agree bout shelvey, at least he gets into advanced positions, just today he was shocking when he got there. we need 2 or 3 players with a touch of class to improve and we're also missing experienced players with that extra bit of nous the youngsters havent got yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's the way opposition players keep popping up in that hole in front of our back four and I'm just sat there screaming LUCAAAAAAAASSSS. Also our full backs are getting not much help without him. Wisdom raped by Miralles (sp?) last week, Enrique for the goal this week. Lucas always, always gallops over to help out and cuts the option for the winger to cut inside. Sterling actually is working a bit harder each game going backwards I think, but it is not in Suso's game at all. I don't think he even really likes playing out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widzew Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 What the hell was he thinking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Can't wait until Gerrard retires, not liking how Rodgers seems to be quite ruthless with players who are underperforming yet has nothing but positives for SG. He was shockingly bad today, and has been very poor all season. Edit - shockingly bad is an exaggeration, but he once again offered nothing bar one great pass that sent sterling away down the right. Just doesn't have the skill set to play where he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I've always liked Gerrard but not particularly keen on him being near the England first XI atm and I just don't think he's helping the situation with this 'change' in manager and style and everything at Liverpool either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 stick him on the right, let him whip balls into the box and support Wisdom, while allowing Sahin, Allen and Shelvey to play in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Thats four points dropped from 6 in the last two games compared to last season. If we get our asses handed to us by Chelsea next game, we'll have dropped 7 from 9 going off last year. Looks grim. However, theres a lot of games in december and January we can make up, as theres a few games there we should be winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Patience is the key. Our squad is so thin. Get this season out the way and allow Rodgers to build next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Gerrard was ***** in the first half, better in the 2nd. Allen needs someone more mobile next to him for when we have not go the ball. We look to pass the ball back more than we do forward, could be the movement off the ball being no ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Gerrard is *****. Fixed it for you. 4-5 years ago I wouldnt have dreamt of dropping him. Now I would in a heartbeat. So many times he goes for the 'Hollywood' ball when he can just retain possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I also notice that we aren't really combative in midfield until the opposition are just outside the 18 yard box. Most of the time they can pass through us relatively easily. We don't get in their faces enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He hardly does anything anymore. Perhaps we expect to much of him? ..........I would like to no what other teams think of him when he plays Vs them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Perhaps we expect to much of him? I dont. In my eyes he is only in the team on reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Fixed it for you. 4-5 years ago I wouldnt have dreamt of dropping him. Now I would in a heartbeat. So many times he goes for the 'Hollywood' ball when he can just retain possession.He attempted 9 long balls today with 8 of them coming off.Thats not the biggest thing missing in his game anymore. Its his power and energy. We miss it badly. Just play him on the right in some sort of Dirk type defensive forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falahk Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He attempted 9 long balls today with 8 of them coming off.Thats not the biggest thing missing in his game anymore. Its his power and energy. We miss it badly. Just play him on the right in some sort of Dirk type defensive forward I'd like to see Gerrard tested as false 9, need him closer to goal in order to get more out of his end product (which is still pretty decent I would assume, he just simply dont have the energy to provide it by making runs from the midfield anymore) and its the only role in this system Rodgers try to play I could see him being able to pull off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Was watching goals on Sunday, last Sunday and Peter Crouch was on........anyway they were showing a clip of Crouch scoring for us and Gerrard was busting a gut to get into the box from the half way line, not seen him do that for about 2-3 seasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Combined Goals/Assists in the league so far: 10 - Suarez 5 - Gerrard 3 - Sahin, Sterling 1 - Johnson, Skrtel, Enrique 0 - Borini, Suso, Shelvey, Allen, Downing, Assaidi, Cole, Henderson, Agger, Wisdom, Kelly, Carragher, Coates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 From this angle it looks worse - its like he doesn't give a **** about the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Like Adam & Coleman said...with Luis' foot planted, its lucky that there wasnt proper contact or it would have been serious damange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Amazing the difference in performance once we got players up the pitch to play along side Luis.Add in a natural goal poacher/scorer and the goals will come. I thought we bossed that game and it was refreshing to see us start the way we did, just such a pity we don't do what the likes of Chelsea and Utd do when they are on top and that is score. As for Jonjo, he should be starting more often than not tbh. May have missed a sitter but I literally can't think of anyone else who would have got into that position, everyone seems afraid to run into the box. Sterling needs to take his chances also. Thank god that Colo just caught Luis or else that's a real nasty knee injury or a leg break. Shocking attempt at a tackle and couldn't believe Pardew seemed miffed about it when the FT whistle went. Think he accepted it in the interview though? Such a shame to concede just before half time but you could sense it happening and atm, I always think we will concede once the opponents are near our box. Not looking forward to the likes of Hazard running at Wisdom next week tbh. Should have brought Assaidi on instead of Downing as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Amazing non penalty call on Suarez again.... but oh my god.. what A GOAL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoolFan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 From this angle it looks worse - its like he doesn't give a **** about the ball. Pardew can **** right off, he's right up there with that other **** Tony Pulis when it comes to be a complete and utter hypocrites. It seems that if you are playing against Liverpool then you can pretty much justify anything you want by simply talking about Suarez. The ****ing British press are appalling, i'm so ****ing fed up of hearing people talk about diving/handshakes then simply ignore dangerous fouls like the one above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hope Sterling was disciplined for his 2 stupid kickouts at Simpson. If Simpson wasn't such an English gritty hardman, Sterling was a goner for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Really hope the rumours of Walcott and Huntelaar for a combined £16m are true this Jan. really need to give Suarez some help up top and we wont move up the table unless we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 yeah £6m for Huntelaar if anything but paper talk would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It really would. In reality we will probably not get either of them. But the frustration of watching us waste chance after chance could be ended if we signed Huntelaar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoolFan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It really would. In reality we will probably not get either of them. But the frustration of watching us waste chance after chance could be ended if we signed Huntelaar. Speaking of missed chances, I thought Sterling yesterday showed how far he is from the finished article. I'm not having a go at the kid but he made a few bad decisions yesterday. It's a shame we rely on him so much, hopefully come January if/when we get a few more players in we can nuture him a bit more. I'd hate to see a talent like his ruined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJF82 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Amazing non penalty call on Suarez again....but oh my god.. what A GOAL You really think that was a penalty Pardew can **** right off, he's right up there with that other **** Tony Pulis when it comes to be a complete and utter hypocrites. It seems that if you are playing against Liverpool then you can pretty much justify anything you want by simply talking about Suarez. The ****ing British press are appalling, i'm so ****ing fed up of hearing people talk about diving/handshakes then simply ignore dangerous fouls like the one above. Pardew accepted that it was a clear red card. He only went to the ref after the match so that the ref could give him the reason before he saw any replays. Obviously Pardew had not seen it properly at the time but after seeing the replay himself he said it was a red. At least Colo didn't go down crying and pretending to be injured himself after the bad tackle which is exactly what Suarez does when he goes out to injure someone eh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i don't even know what event Vampook is refereing to, can't remember any pen call. and yeah tbf i didn't see it first time either, just thought he'd ran into Suarez and was a foul, so was pretty amazed when the red card came out until I saw the reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Speaking of missed chances, I thought Sterling yesterday showed how far he is from the finished article. I'm not having a go at the kid but he made a few bad decisions yesterday. It's a shame we rely on him so much, hopefully come January if/when we get a few more players in we can nuture him a bit more. I'd hate to see a talent like his ruined. Agree with Sterling, was saying to my mate on the way home from the match yesterday Suso and Sterling should be luxuries that we can bring on when we're already winning or need to rest first teamers. We shouldn't be relying on them to make up 2/3rds of our front three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoolFan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Next topic of conversation, Charlie Adam taking a dive for the oh so high and mighty Tony Pulis lead Stoke side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i don't even know what event Vampook is refereing to, can't remember any pen call. and yeah tbf i didn't see it first time either, just thought he'd ran into Suarez and was a foul, so was pretty amazed when the red card came out until I saw the reply. The one where Colocinni clips him in the box in the 1st half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Pretty early in the game, I think first 5 mins maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Tony Pulis gets a right slating in World Soccer this month. Good to know that some journalists who actually know the game can see through his ********. Just a shame that WS probably only gets about 1% of the readership of the tabloids. Aaaaaanyway, I've calmed myself since yesterday's epic encounter. Still not with people giving Gerrard so much stick. It's obvious he's not the player he was but the stats prove that he's still having some impact. And if I see anyone else come out with So many times he goes for the 'Hollywood' ball when he can just retain possession. I might just murder someone. Have a thought of your own instead of regurgitating some hackneyed old cliche ffs. Other than that, a proven striker is obviously the priority for the january window. We need to give the kids a rest now too, Wisdom, Suso and Sterling have done well but they'll be in danger of losing their confidence if they carry on playing games without a winning scoreline at the end of it. Obv Lucas will solve some of that when he's back, need to get Johnson back in the fold too. And someone needs to tell Brad Jones how to kick. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Been thinking that the kids need a rest for a few weeks now but do we really give downing an extended run in the team? tbf to him since the kick up the backside he's played like a player wanting to prove himself and has been alright the last few games. that turn and cross for shelvey was excellent yesterday and it was plum on shelveys head. As for gerrard ive been wondering if, because of his age, its just taking him longer than it used to to get into the swing of a new season and he needs the extra few games than others to get properly match fit. next ten games will tell us such. i do think his legs are going though and thats probably why he wont ever play on the right or behind the front man again because he wont be able to last the pace for long enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yeah with Gerrard we might be better off giving him an explosive 30 minutes where he can run around as much as he wants without having to pace himself so much. It's gonna be hard to deliberately slow down your game and still produce moments of dynamism. I'd just start putting him in on 60-65 minutes and giving him a free role behind the striker. This'll never happen ofc, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 We don't have a good enough replacement to drop Gerrard from the starting 11. Either in terms of leadership or quality. When our squad is full of kids as it is, taking out our most experienced and inspirational (sorry but he still is) player, is not a sensible move. However much we wish he was as good as he was, he's still better than what else we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i think right wing is the thing that needs to happen but never will. Allen and Shelvey are musts for me atm, which means those two + either Gerrard or Sahin in the middle. With Suso not being a proper right winger and a bit light weight, and Sahin playing so well generally, makes sense to just stick Gerrard out there and let him whip in those early crosses he is so good at, let Johnson/Wisdom overlap without losing defensive cover, and let him make runs at the box when he is feeling up for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i think putting him on the right and shelvey in the middle would add loads more to our attack and is probably the best option all things being equal. gerrard is still first class further forward and will make things happen but rodgers said this on being liverpool and that was in august so you have to think he's seen something thats changed his mind or like cp said, he thinks he's needed more in CM atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 We probably get better results with Gerrard out wide and Suso in the middle, but only if Suso is the attacking option, and if we move Gerrard wide then really Shelvey should being playing that position anyway. That was a long winded way of saying, drop Suso, push Gerard right, play Shelvey as AMC. Suso is a waste out there, he really needs to be coming on late in games at AMC, or false striker. The other options is to switch Suarez to wide forward, where he will do the attacking from wide stuff that Suso and Sterling don't, and play Gerard as false striker, where he can just wonder about the front line and interchange with Suarez etc. I have to say that our final 3rd play does like some fluidity more often then not, it works in fits and starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I don't think its so much striker striker striker will solve the problems so in that if who ever plays wide chips in with goals as well as midfield then we would be fine. Have always liked gerrard playing wide right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Gary Hooper plus one other, for me. Hooper's a great option, and I'd want somebody who would be a natural partner for Suarez as a first choice pairing. Not sure who we could get, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 Someone like Hopper will only come in if Rodgers is happy to play Suarez as one of the wide forwards. I'm not sure Hopper could play in the wide forward positions and score the goals he does for Celtic. I'm not even convinced Huntelaar could play as wide forward. Certainly Walcott could do it, and I'd not be surprised to see him join in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 We should sign McGeady too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 And probably Victor Wanyama. For many, many money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 Are you on commission? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Just trying to annoy a certain nosy Man Utd fan who's been pestering me on Twitter for going on about signing Gary Hooper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 pretty sure BR is planning to move Suarez out wide, it's the sensible thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i think right wing is the thing that needs to happen but never will. Allen and Shelvey are musts for me atm, which means those two + either Gerrard or Sahin in the middle. With Suso not being a proper right winger and a bit light weight, and Sahin playing so well generally, makes sense to just stick Gerrard out there and let him whip in those early crosses he is so good at, let Johnson/Wisdom overlap without losing defensive cover, and let him make runs at the box when he is feeling up for it We would need a tall striker to put away these early crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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