DeafParrot Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 91% - Joe Allen attempted 113 passes today, out of those 103 found a teammate. Dictating. These stats are worthless when all he plays are 5 yard balls back to the defence. Of the 10 passes he misplaced most of them were absolutely woeful longer balls. He had by far his worst game for us so far today. Not having a go as he's been pretty great since he signed, just wasn't today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 yeah it doesnt quite work when rodgers likes to have his wingers cutting in so the fullbacks can overlap only to be wrong footed when they get there and end up trying to cut in aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Yeah, Allen was **** but is by far our best footballer . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 By the way (and not just rubbing it in here) - you lads could have done a lot worse than signing Stephen Fletcher - that kind of player was exactly what you missed today. Shelvey and Allen were very tidy. Suarez needs to play behind a real striker for you IMO. You mean we need Andy Carroll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 No Emerson, we need a good striker. Someone who isn't a complete one trick pony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Loanee update: Jay Spearing has been our best player in the last two matches. He was the only one to come out with any credit against Hull two weeks ago, and today he was everywhere. He's found his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 No Emerson, we need a good striker. Someone who isn't a complete one trick pony. I do agree with this btw. Just a little too late. Hopefully it's looked at properly in the next few months and we don't just recall Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 We're out of the relegation zone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Bossed the game today but yet again we fail to take our chances. We must get some genuine quality in attacking areas when the Janaury window opens. Sterling just gets better, and better, and better - we have an absolute gem of a player there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Suarez is averaging a goal every other game, that's pretty good as far as I'm concerned, so I don't really think he deserves much flak for the chances he fluffs compared to everyone else on the team who isn't scoring. Would be nice to have at least one central midfielder who knows how to find the back of the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Also have to laugh that there's moaning about Allen's passing being backwards all the time, and moaning about Gerrard's hollywood balls. Fans never happy Think some people have played a little too much Fifa/PES and need to sort out their expectations regarding our pass completion, ball retention and chance creation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Allen was bought to do that job and he does insanely well. One of the few who has performed every match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Bad game by Allen today... but that's because he's already set such high standards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael F Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Oh yes - one more thing... why isn't Enrique starting for you? Reina is their first choice keeper iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboydonegood Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Shearer fecking clueless, first he says that Sunderland had the best of the first half and now he seems to be having a go at Joe Allen for not being Steven Gerrard. Utter cretin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 He was particularly poor tonight. To say we had the best of the first half is absolutely shambolic. He blatantly saw we won the first half 1-0, then saw that you were all over us second half and therefore assumed we had done well in the first. And his "analysis" of Joe Allen only playing easy passes. Would love to see him do that for a Barcelona match. Shows how you can form any argument from any piece of play. Ironically the 2 or 3 passes they showed of Gerrard's going forward were his only decent ones all game. The amount of nonsense they get away with spouting is crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 The amount of nonsense they get away with spouting is crazy. You're part of the reason they get away with it by tuning in every week, if people stopped watching because of the guff the pundits spouted it would change sharpish. Still, BBC is not quite as bad as ITV. Yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Took this at the Sunderland game, louder than what it appears in video but its best I could do http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152102933710366 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 You're part of the reason they get away with it by tuning in every week, if people stopped watching because of the guff the pundits spouted it would change sharpish. Still, BBC is not quite as bad as ITV. Yet. If I stopped watching, I wouldn't be able to see the football though.. I'd rather watch it with bad pundits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Get Sky Sports and watch Goals on Sunday instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Bad game by Allen today... but that's because he's already set such high standards I thought he along with Johnson and sterling played really well. I thought we played well today apart from the poor defending for their goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Was Allen's worst game for us but he's been man of the match in every other game he's played this season. I don't think everyone's really expecting him to give us 8 or 9 out of 10 every week at 22 years old. Passing stats in spoiler: I'm disappointed we didn't get the 3. Personally I would've taken Shelvey off for Sahin and pushed Gerrard forward early in the 2nd. Was Enrique really injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Ha, spoiler doesn't work the same way as it does on otf2. Apologies for the image size then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Enrique has a niggling knee injury. Had it a while. I would have taken Gerrard off for Sahin personally, Shelvey was outperforming him. Also wanted to see Assaidi get a few mins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Downing as our best "game changer" is a bit, well, ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Quick Q ; do you bet on Liverpool to win most weeks? If you answer 'Yes' to above Q , please stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I never saw the game (well, much of it as I was pissed), but I've heard we played good. Which is nice to hear. If we beat the Mancs next game, things will start to look up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 RESULTS COMPARISON CHART 2012/13 Southampton = Bolton Reading = Blackburn West Ham = Wolves Last season This season Pts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18/08/2012 West Brom v Liverpool W 0-2 L 3-0 -3 26/08/2012 Liverpool v Man City D 1-1 D 2-2 -3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02/09/2012 Liverpool v Arsenal L 1-2 L 0-2 -3 15/09/2012 Sunderland v Liverpool L 1-0 D 1-1 -2 23/09/2012 Liverpool v Man Utd D 1-1 29/09/2012 Norwich v Liverpool W 0-3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06/10/2012 Liverpool v Stoke D 0-0 20/10/2012 Liverpool v Reading D 1-1 27/10/2012 Everton v Liverpool W 0-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04/11/2012 Liverpool v Newcastle W 3-1 11/11/2012 Chelsea v Liverpool W 1-2 17/11/2012 Liverpool v Wigan L 1-2 24/11/2012 Swansea v Liverpool L 0-1 28/11/2012 Tottenham v Liverpool L 4-0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01/12/2012 Liverpool v Southampton W 3-1 08/12/2012 West Ham v Liverpool W 0-3 15/12/2012 Liverpool v Aston Villa D 1-1 22/12/2012 Liverpool v Fulham L 0-1 26/12/2012 Stoke v Liverpool L 1-0 29/12/2012 QPR v Liverpool L 3-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01/01/2013 Liverpool v Sunderland D 1-1 12/01/2013 Man Utd v Liverpool L 2-1 19/01/2013 Liverpool v Norwich D 1-1 30/01/2013 Arsenal v Liverpool W 0-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02/02/2013 Man City v Liverpool L 3-0 09/02/2013 Liverpool v West Brom L 0-1 23/02/2013 Liverpool v Swansea D 0-0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02/03/2013 Wigan v Liverpool D 0-0 09/03/2013 Liverpool v Tottenham D 0-0 16/03/2013 Southampton v Liverpool L 3-1 30/03/2013 Aston Villa v Liverpool W 0-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06/04/2013 Liverpool v West Ham W 2-1 13/04/2013 Reading v Liverpool W 2-3 20/04/2013 Liverpool v Chelsea W 4-1 27/04/2013 Newcastle v Liverpool L 1-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04/05/2013 Liverpool v Everton W 3-0 12/05/2013 Fulham v Liverpool L 1-0 19/05/2013 Liverpool v QPR W 1-0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive result! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Really don't have an issue with Allen there. He's there to recycle possession, especially with Lucas missing. He's not there to be a creative force. Think people have the wrong view of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Just saw Wellbeck's dive that led to a penalty... reputations really precede themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Was Allen's worst game for us but he's been man of the match in every other game he's played this season. I don't think everyone's really expecting him to give us 8 or 9 out of 10 every week at 22 years old.Passing stats in spoiler: I'm disappointed we didn't get the 3. Personally I would've taken Shelvey off for Sahin and pushed Gerrard forward early in the 2nd. Was Enrique really injured? Where do you get those stats from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I was wondering the same thing p.s. recharge your battery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Took this at the Sunderland game, louder than what it appears in video but its best I could dohttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152102933710366 Are you able to see the video? Not sure if works or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Get Sky Sports and watch Goals on Sunday instead. So he can watch it the morning after with terrible pundits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I think Rodgers will learn more about his players, tactics and style of play needed to win games the more Liverpool play.. It's a big job that will take awhile to turn thing's around.. Just wondering after watching yesturdays games, we **** out big style in the transfer window. Considering we need a couple senior players and didn't have vast amounts of money to spend would Berbatov @ around 7-mill, Buttner around 3-mill, Johnson for around 7-mill, Even Fletcher, he has scored 3 goals in 2 games for Sunderland, surly if he was playing for Liverpool he would be the prems top scorer now with the amount of chances we create.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 People who are questioning Rodgers at this stage need a slap. I have seen those doing such thing . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 So he can watch it the morning after with terrible pundits?They aren't terrible by any stretch and the show is infinitely better than MOTD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardeepR Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Allen was bought to do that job and he does insanely well. One of the few who has performed every match. He strikes me as a player who you only notice when he does makes an error - the only thing I can remember about him yesterday was when he hit a crossfield pass out of play :o - the things he does well tend to go under the radar. He quietly gets on with his work at a consistently high standard and when the playing squad improves he'll be the one that brings the best out of the rest of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Stop slagging off match of the day. It's the best show on TV, no matter what idiot pundit they have on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Allen is quality every time I watch Liverpool play Allen is looking for a forward pass, seems to have ages on a ball no matter how many players are around him and once he makes a pass he seems to always find space and is always demanding the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Next weekend is going to be horrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Next weekend is going to be horrific. It wont. The players will raise their game to unbelievable levels as they always do against United, much to my frustration as to why they cant do it every week. We will probably get a draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 But we won't be able to Dirk em! Can't see where our goals are gonna come from and the way we've looked so far we're gonna need at least 2 to draw I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I couldnt see where the goals were going to come from against City, but it happened. Keep the faith fella . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Where do you get those stats from? FourFourTwo Stats Zone app. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The Majority of the Liverpool best 11 where at the club when Benitez was in charge. Take Benitez's last 2 season's How well do you rate Benitez'z performance?? Take Hodgson, How do you rate his spell in charge? all be it short term! Mr Dalglish, how do you rate his time at Liverpool? How do you currently rate Rodgers? and what do you think he can achieve? Fact is Carragher is past his best, Gerrard is past his best and cant carry the team any more, I actually think Allen's game would improve if Gerrard wasnt on the pitch, he always trys to give the ball to Gerrard so he can play a forward pass, The Liverpool players should grow some balls and take responsibility and stop looking to Gerrad to dominate the game!!... Point i am making, for what reason has Liverpool finished 6th 7th and 8th in recent years, had 3 different managers and now on the fourth? the squad is practically the same! maybe they just aint good enough or as good as people think! it's the same as all these people that keep bigging England up. So what do we really need.? super tactical managers.? manager motivator's? What would Benitez do back at Liverpool now? or Mourinho? i think alot of the blame still lands at the door step of the yank cow boys that brought this club to it's kness with all there false promises.. The season Liverpool finished 2nd, the Yanks did not back Benitez that summer and he couldn't bring the players in he wanted, since then it's been a domino effect.. Hodgson is a good manager, Dalglish was a good manager but very bad at press confrences, Rodgers can be a very good manager providing this job doesnt leave him with egg on his face.. Why is it the same bunch of players juat aint cutting the mustard and delievering what the club needs.? I think we have a solid base to work from, but i just dont think we have the flair players you need in the premiership to score and ultimately win.. Does anyone think this current squad is really good enough to challenge for 4th? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 like ive been saying since torres left, we've always had a prolific scorer over the years and now we dont have one we're suffering. a falcao type striker would be worth his weight in gold and are very hard to come by, but not impossible. we still have the ability to dominate games but it seems we are punished for every little mistake while we huff and puff for 90 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Does anyone think this current squad is really good enough to challenge for 4th? No. Hence your whole post was a waste of time. Let's take some little steps 1st and rebuild properly, rather than tip money into a big pit like last year (and go backwards anyway) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Suarez last season was 17 goals in 39 games for us. Torres' last season with us was 9 in 26 and even his second season was 17 in 38. Owen's last season with us was 19 in 38. So Luis isn't really falling short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Does anyone think this current squad is really good enough to challenge for 4th? Not many in here thought that 4th has ever been possible. Even more so now, after a few games. Spurs bench today shows how little depth we have in our squad and the task we have getting near 4th. Rodgers finding out who can play the type of football he wants to play. Cant get rid of the players who dont fit into his philosophy overnight. Some maybe able to adapt to how he wants to play, most will not. Its gonna be a long season ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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