Pangaea Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Will be good to see him on the right now with Valencia out. He's good on the left too, but not as dangerous as from the right. Just read an article by Andy Mitten. Apparently United found and inquired about now-Chelsea's Oscar when he was 15 years old. Guess SAF later found out he was a midfielder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waria Ahmed Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Not nearly as much as Mini or Shuffle tbf this actually made me lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Nani tracks back as much as any winger we have. I don't understand why people have this negative perception of him as some kind of lazy show pony. He is the best wide player we have and should we end up selling him the idiots who wanted it will be in for a shock when we're stuck with the average Young & an off form Valencia. I saw a stat on SSN a few weeks ago & he has more assists than anyone in the last two & a half years in the league. Think he Has also created the 2nd or 3rd highest number of chances too. He's undervalued by so many United fans. You won't find anyone who defends Nani more than I do in this thread but that simply isn't true. Valencia might not be as good as Nani going forward but he is much better at covering fullbacks than Nani. That isn't just an effort thing, he's a better defender than Nani. Young I don't particularly care about, some days he puts in a great covering job, some days he doesn't, he isn't as good as Nani and he's injured. If you want to put Nani in place of Kagawa in that lineup then I would find it hard to object, on current form neither really demand a place over the other. However, playing Nani out wide on the basis he'd offer more protection to the fullbacks than a 3 man midfield? Not for me sorry, especially when we only have one fit winger anyway and he's not in any sort of form at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 You won't find anyone who defends Nani more than I do in this thread but that simply isn't true. Valencia might not be as good as Nani going forward but he is much better at covering fullbacks than Nani. That isn't just an effort thing, he's a better defender than Nani. Young I don't particularly care about, some days he puts in a great covering job, some days he doesn't, he isn't as good as Nani and he's injured. If you want to put Nani in place of Kagawa in that lineup then I would find it hard to object, on current form neither really demand a place over the other. However, playing Nani out wide on the basis he'd offer more protection to the fullbacks than a 3 man midfield? Not for me sorry, especially when we only have one fit winger anyway and he's not in any sort of form at all. Completely agree. I've been really impressed with Valencia's work on tracking back since the second Barcelona final, it's obvious he has made a concious decision to do this more often/improve it whereas I just don't see that as being part of Nani's game. But then I don't really see how players like Nani/Ronaldo can backtrack the way more conventional wingers do. It's common acceptance that if a team is struggling defensively then the wingers are the first area that are causing danger to the team but more attacking/inside forward type players need to stay higher in order to get the goal chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Fantastic tackle from Petrucci to get the ball back for that, and a great pass as well. Used to seeing that type of tackle from Tunnicliffe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Petrucci has become a real force in midfield recently. He's really put in the effort to get back from all those injuries, hope he makes it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yeah he's got loads better since he started playing deeper, huge improvement in his tackling/defensive play over the last year. Would be good to see him get a chance in the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 2-1, Petrucci. Good football in the build up. I think he'll probably stay until January and then maybe go out on loan, if not then next season. He just needs games after spending so long out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Can definitely see an January loan to a Championship club, with the mental strength he has I think he'll do well if he gets chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 You won't find anyone who defends Nani more than I do in this thread but that simply isn't true. Valencia might not be as good as Nani going forward but he is much better at covering fullbacks than Nani. That isn't just an effort thing, he's a better defender than Nani. Young I don't particularly care about, some days he puts in a great covering job, some days he doesn't, he isn't as good as Nani and he's injured. If you want to put Nani in place of Kagawa in that lineup then I would find it hard to object, on current form neither really demand a place over the other. However, playing Nani out wide on the basis he'd offer more protection to the fullbacks than a 3 man midfield? Not for me sorry, especially when we only have one fit winger anyway and he's not in any sort of form at all. Completely agree. I've been really impressed with Valencia's work on tracking back since the second Barcelona final, it's obvious he has made a concious decision to do this more often/improve it whereas I just don't see that as being part of Nani's game.But then I don't really see how players like Nani/Ronaldo can backtrack the way more conventional wingers do. It's common acceptance that if a team is struggling defensively then the wingers are the first area that are causing danger to the team but more attacking/inside forward type players need to stay higher in order to get the goal chances. All he said is that Nani tracks back as much as our other wingers which is mostly true. There was no mention of how good at defending he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 He did well in the cameos pre-season, smacked the bar with a shot IIRC in one game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 All he said is that Nani tracks back as much as our other wingers which is mostly true. There was no mention of how good at defending he was. It's implied when the whole topic is playing Nani out wide to protect the fullbacks from Spurs' threat out wide. All this besides, he doesn't track back as much as Valencia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 3-2. Larnell Cole with a really good cross from the right, Petrucci nodded it back across goal and Macheda scored with a diving header from close in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 You won't find anyone who defends Nani more than I do in this thread but that simply isn't true. Valencia might not be as good as Nani going forward but he is much better at covering fullbacks than Nani. That isn't just an effort thing, he's a better defender than Nani. Young I don't particularly care about, some days he puts in a great covering job, some days he doesn't, he isn't as good as Nani and he's injured. If you want to put Nani in place of Kagawa in that lineup then I would find it hard to object, on current form neither really demand a place over the other. However, playing Nani out wide on the basis he'd offer more protection to the fullbacks than a 3 man midfield? Not for me sorry, especially when we only have one fit winger anyway and he's not in any sort of form at all. All he said is that Nani tracks back as much as our other wingers which is mostly true. There was no mention of how good at defending he was. Yeah, this is the point that dion manages to state and then completely miss Nani works as hard as anyone tracking back, but isn't as good at tackling, marking or cutting off passing angles as Valencia (who in turn isn't as good as he's made out to be, as evidenced by his ultimately unsuccessful spells at RB). Which to be fair aren't among the first things you look for in a skillful winger. Still wonder if he would get half the grief he does if he was French or something. It's implied when the whole topic is playing Nani out wide to protect the fullbacks from Spurs' threat out wide. All this besides, he doesn't track back as much as Valencia. No need for anything to be implied when you stated 'no-one tracks back apart from Valencia'. It's furthering an all-too-popular myth. I don't understand how at age 20 soon to be 21 they have decided to give him 3 more years knowing he could go elsewhere for first team action and yet they just park him right where he was last season. Surely at his age he needs more? Even if thats just a championship loan. I presume that developmentally they're still looking at him as 18 - 24 months off where he 'should' be at his age due to all his injury problems. That and considering how few loans we've made this season, that we might be waiting to see how beneficial the U21 league is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yeah, this is the point that dion manages to state and then completely miss Nani works as hard as anyone tracking back, but isn't as good at tackling, marking or cutting off passing angles as Valencia (who in turn isn't as good as he's made out to be, as evidenced by his ultimately unsuccessful spells at RB). Which to be fair aren't among the first things you look for in a skillful winger. Still wonder if he would get half the grief he does if he was French or something. Nani doesn't work as hard as Valencia tracking back, I don't agree with that at all, I said Valencia was better at both those things. Valencia is good at covering as a winger, being a covering winger and being a rightback are two completely different roles. Him being weaker at the latter isn't evidence to him being overrated at the former when they comprise of two considerably different skill sets. Why would being French help him? No need for anything to be implied when you stated 'no-one tracks back apart from Valencia'. It's furthering an all-too-popular myth. I should probably have put "effectively" in there, Valencia being the only winger at the club now Park has gone who I'd value to put in a defensive shift anything above what is expected of a winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Angelo Henriquez on for U21s . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 King's (lack of) finishing is really frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Henriquez looks to have quite the leap on him, really quick feet as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yeah he's played well. A bit isolated but he's looked bright when he's got on the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Odd ball from Petrucci there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Johnstone's been excellent tonight too, made some very good saves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Debut goal for Henriquez. Headed in Josh King's cross Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Goal in his first game, good work by King so he couldn't miss. Very Hernandez like header though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Nani doesn't work as hard as Valencia tracking back, I don't agree with that at all, I said Valencia was better at both those things. Valencia is good at covering as a winger, being a covering winger and being a rightback are two completely different roles. Him being weaker at the latter isn't evidence to him being overrated at the former when they comprise of two considerably different skill sets. Why would being French help him?No idea why you think Valencia works harder that Nani. Sticks to his marker closer maybe, but Nani puts in just as many yards. Valencia also just as likely to have a concentration lapse that sees him caught out as Nani is to gamble and stay up the pitch in the hope of a counter. If Nani was French then maybe it would be easier for people to not associate him with Ronaldo's qualities (egotistical, cheating, lazy). Given that tall, direct stepover merchant Gabriel Obertan was lauded in some quarters on -his debut despite doing nothing of note aside from dribbling the ball out of play, it seems that a nationality change would do the job. Louis Nannierre? I should probably have put "effectively" in there, Valencia being the only winger at the club now Park has gone who I'd value to put in a defensive shift anything above what is expected of a winger. Yeah, I mean the point's completely valid. Just a bit rich to say that people are missing the point when you've said he doesn't track back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Henríquez is way too good to play those U21 games, although I understand this is kind of necessary now as he has to adapt to English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 In 6 days against Newcastle, we've scored 14 goals and conceded 4 from U18s to first team, pretty good going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Only saw the last twenty minutes or so but Henriquez looks a good player, impressed by what I saw but it was only twenty minutes worth. King was unlucky earlier on but nice assist from him to set up the goal, thought Tunnicliffe played well, and Johnstone looked very solid! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Nowt on google. Davide might want to steer clear though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Video of the goal scored by Henríquez: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 .gif of Mitchells goal, didn't realise the run started in our half! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 So is Petrucci being turned into a deep passer of the ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Think it's more that he's been playing as more of an MC than an AMC. A Cleverley rather than a Kagawa if you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Sounds like it's doing him good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Sounds like Fergie has been talking up the Rooney/RvP partnership. Could be a hint or a swerve. Really don't know what team I'd expect/like today. Carrick plus at least one of Anderson and Cleverley in the middle. Was rather intrigued with the wing-back system we played in the week, would rather Jones as the CB/DM though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 I had a dream last night Bale scored a last minute headed winner and icelander and icon came and pained something abusive in icelandic on my front door (I don't know icelandic so I'm pretty sure I replaced it with sindarin) Sorry lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I'll happily paint abuse on your front door, especially if I've got icon as the muscle on the job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 (I don't know icelandic so I'm pretty sure I replaced it with sindarin) "One goal to rule them all" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I had a dream last night Bale scored a last minute headed winner and icelander and icon came and pained something abusive in icelandic on my front door (I don't know icelandic so I'm pretty sure I replaced it with sindarin) Sorry lads. If he lost his marker (who happened to be Kagawa) to do it, then i would definitely be out there with my paint brush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 If he lost his marker (who happened to be Kagawa) to do it, then i would definitely be out there with my paint brush. Oh Christ, I can easily see that happening! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I'm getting increasingly worried about Nani's future with all the rumours, and now the alleged punch at Petrucci. People who saw the reserve game claimed he had a bit of a colouring as well, so it may turn out to be true. Will be very interesting to see the lineup and whether he's to be found or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Also, this forum sucks asshair. Has posts been deleted and that has thrown the counter off trail or something? It's annoying to see a last page that never works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 How odd, this is page 44 and it shows there's a page 45 ... you click on it and it takes you back to the top of page 44 ... not even final post of the page. Anyone else see that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Also, this forum sucks asshair. Has posts been deleted and that has thrown the counter off trail or something? It's annoying to see a last page that never works. Ah, I guess you have noticed too I think it's the software or something. Noticed something the other day but oddly only in this thread. I assumed it was because the next post would top the next page although that never seems to have happened in the past but that's not how it's working either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 How odd, this is page 44 and it shows there's a page 45 ... you click on it and it takes you back to the top of page 44 ... not even final post of the page. Anyone else see that? Been like that for atleast a week for me. Happens on different threads too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Lindegaard; Rafael, Evans, Ferdinand, Evra; Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs; Kagawa, van Persie. Subs: De Gea, Wootton, Anderson, Cleverley, Hernandez, Rooney, Welbeck. Sig on the bench for Spurs Not keen on the legs on the left again. Lennon and Walker to have a field day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Scholes and Giggs starting :( Would have preferred Welbeck out there, anyone else really Nani on the right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Please let that be a 4-3-3 with Kagawa on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 We will struggle when they break with that team, SAF really does like making things scary. I guess he wants to put his ticker through its paces while it is still under warranty. Hopefully we can keep them out till SAF decides enough is enough and brings on some pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 Christ on a bike... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Scholes needs to play on the right between Rafael and Nani to help keep control of Bale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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