Wookieman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm gonna guess Rodwell tbf He's had a few niggling injuries though, which means he will be perfect for United! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Ross Barkley? That's the one. I thought it was Barkley but then I kept thinking of that reporter. So it's £15m for Baines, £15m for Rodwell and then the £5m to take back Neville (RB cover) and a potentially decent CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Baines, Rodwell, and Barkley for 35m. Might as well as well take Fellaini and Jelavic too :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can keep Jelavic, too one dimensional for a team like United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 If you want to throw in Fellaini I won't argue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Annoing Alba moves that cheaply, but we never had a chance anyway. Should fit well into Barca too with his high "rolling on grass to time played" ratio. No injuries during the Euros, so that is good. Would have liked to see Portugal go through after their amazing performance yesterday, but it just wasn't to be Get a good rest Nani, sign the extension and come back and win 20 next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Apart from when we signed Young he'd be a year and 7 months younger than if we sign Baines. ... but with two years less on his contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 ... but with two years less on his contract. I didn't question that part of your statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can keep Jelavic, too one dimensional for a team like United. I found him to be two-dimensional at Old Trafford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 I found him to be two-dimensional at Old Trafford. That was actually quite good You're still a moron though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I found him to be two-dimensional at Old Trafford. Against a zero-dimensional defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I didn't question that part of your statement. All relevant to any prospective fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 All relevant to any prospective fee. Which is why I didn't question that part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 So you acknowledge your comment was irrelevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 So you acknowledge your comment was irrelevant No? I merely pointed out a flaw in your reasoning. Baines would be 1 year 7 months older than Young was when we signed him, not 7 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 That's not a flaw in my reasoning. A year and a half isn't so significant. The point is that they're similar ages, at similar stages in their development, and so a similar fee wouldn't be as unsurprising (to me at least) given the other caveats such as the time remaining on Young's contract at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 That's not a flaw in my reasoning. A year and a half isn't so significant. The point is that they're similar ages, at similar stages in their development, and so a similar fee wouldn't be as unsurprising (to me at least) given the other caveats such as the time remaining on Young's contract at the time. You tried to pass off the difference as 7 months, it isn't. I didn't say it invalidated your entire point, merely that your reasoning was flawed and pointed out where. The actually issue is we massively overpaid for Young and shouldn't be doing that again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Where did I try to pass off the difference as 7 months? I said there is 7 months between them, which there is (2 days aside). I credited the userbase with the ability to realise that it isn't last summer. The reasoning is that they're similar ages; that in football 26 isn't a world away from 27 and a half. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Where did I try to pass off the difference as 7 months? I said there is 7 months between them, which there is (2 days aside). I credited the userbase with the ability to realise that it isn't last summer. The reasoning is that they're similar ages; that in football 26 isn't a world away from 27 and a half. Ridiculous. Except it is, it's probably half of a players peak years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bit of a stretch to generalise players' peak years into as small a sample as three years. Plus, defenders typically peak later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bit of a stretch to generalise players' peak years into as small a sample as three years. Plus, defenders typically peak later Central defenders yes, fullbacks who are primarily attacking players tend to peak earlier and Baines is about as good as he's ever going to get and stamina is one of the most important factors in his game, which will be even more pronounced if he moves to United. If this was last year then £17m would have been fair enough given fullbacks are generally cheaper then wingers, however the year lost is more important in the context of price than the extra year on his contract. Anything more than £15m for a leftback who is only going to be playing at this level for another 2 years is fair, anything more would be daft and we'd be better off just keeping and playing Fabio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Well Young moved to an upper mid table, Europa League challenging club with Champions League aspirations in Villa at 21 and a half, while Baines moved to a Europa league challenging club with Champions League aspriations in Everton at 22 and a half, so taking the generalisations out of it it's not a stretch to suggest Baines is developing around a year later than Young. At any rate, it seems you're quibbling over £2m (and I don't see any reason why Baines would be declining at 29), so I'm going to return to saying this argument is ridiculous Though I don't understand why we're not just keeping and playing Fabio anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Though I don't understand why we're not just keeping and playing Fabio anyway. Except for the fact he doesn't seem to be able to play 90 minutes, two games in a row? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 "Good but not great". You are the same club who spent 8m on Bebe, so yes. 5m for us is almost two players, so it'll make a hell of a difference. I'm still laughing at this argument. Baines is good yes, but United will not pay more than £20m for him (they might pull out of negotiations of course). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 Well Young moved to an upper mid table, Europa League challenging club with Champions League aspirations in Villa at 21 and a half, while Baines moved to a Europa league challenging club with Champions League aspriations in Everton at 22 and a half, so taking the generalisations out of it it's not a stretch to suggest Baines is developing around a year later than Young.At any rate, it seems you're quibbling over £2m (and I don't see any reason why Baines would be declining at 29), so I'm going to return to saying this argument is ridiculous Though I don't understand why we're not just keeping and playing Fabio anyway. Oh hypocrisy thy name is I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I honestly don't see us paying 20 unless we are really that desperate to get him. Besides, its not like Moyes needs the money. Give em 12 and they'll have signed 4 players within the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I honestly don't see us paying 20 unless we are really that desperate to get him. Besides, its not like Moyes needs the money. Give em 12 and they'll have signed 4 players within the week. Congratulations, I think you just broke the record for most absolute nonsense on the forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Congratulations, I think you just broke the record for most absolute nonsense on the forums tbf, we don't even need 12m to sign four players. We only pick them up on frees or get them in on loans anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I'm still laughing at this argument.Baines is good yes, but United will not pay more than £20m for him (they might pull out of negotiations of course). Suits me perfectly. It's not like we're desperate to offload Baines that we'll be like 'oh, you don't want to pay more than 20m? fine, just for you, we'll take less!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 tbf, we don't even need 12m to sign four players. We only pick them up on frees or get them in on loans anyway Yes but Moyes still needs money, he just won't get it from Kenwright. So with 12 million you may well sign 4 players, it just won't be for the 12m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Congratulations, I think you just broke the record for most absolute nonsense on the forums Leave me alone. I'm sleep deprived Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Oh hypocrisy thy name is I. Come again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookieman Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Come again? Its from Hamlet: Hamlet is chastised by his uncle (and new stepfather) Claudius, for grieving his father so much, calling it unmanly. In the following soliloquy, Hamlet denounces his mother's swift remarriage, with the statement, "Frailty, thy name is woman." He thus equates womankind with the attribute of frailty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 And what's he then that says I play the villain; when this advice is free I give, and honest..? (I don't need schooling on my Shakespeare - just baffled as to the relevance ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 And what's he then that says I play the villain; when this advice is free I give, and honest..?(I don't need schooling on my Shakespeare - just baffled as to the relevance ) Is that Iago from Othello? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 High culture seems to have killed a football thread. Stereotypes rock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Why are United linked with Baines anyway? I doubt he would get ahead of Evra who is a very good left back IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCCG Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Evra hasn't had the greatest season, he's getting along and doesn't look like Fabio is progressing as well as we hoped. Which is disappointing because in the last few editions of FM I've always had Fabio replacing Evra within several seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Phish Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 rumour this morning is that we've agreed personal terms with baines but not a transfer fee with everton. really don't want him for some ridiculous fee when there's other areas of the team that blatantly need strengthening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Evra may not of had the best seasons but I think he is better than Baines. Baines has brilliant set pieces and so on but replacing Evra would be strange, he is not a weakspot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Evra IS a weak link in our defence on current form. There are various reasons but the main one is he has been worked into the ground for five years without a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 So if Baines arrives who do you reckon will the number 1 choice or will there be rotation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 1, 2012 Author Share Posted July 1, 2012 Guess we'd have a situation like our Wingers, you can also guarantee at some point Fergie would play both on the left for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 We've signed Sean Goss on a scholarship from Exeter. He came to the Future Cup with us last season, looked quite a bright player. Plays on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 1, 2012 Author Share Posted July 1, 2012 Also got a striker from Derby and Reece James (Mat James' brother) from Preston. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Is that Yussif Adam you're on about? He's a midfielder AFAIK. Should have Noe Baba joing as well from Castlebar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Phish Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 So if Baines arrives who do you reckon will the number 1 choice or will there be rotation? rotation i'd expect. although if evra continues at his current rate of decline wouldn't be too long before baines was number 1 choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Always got the option to play Evra left wing - he did play him there when he first came. He's certainly got the skills to be there. Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with Evra that a good rest wouldn't cure, Baines doesn't strike me as being any better going forward certainly. I agree that we need to strengthen midfield not LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted July 1, 2012 Author Share Posted July 1, 2012 Is that Yussif Adam you're on about? He's a midfielder AFAIK. Should have Noe Baba joing as well from Castlebar. Doron Solomon believes he's a forward but is unsure, have you seen him play to be sure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Don't be silly, Spurs have a world class left back themselves This is correct, congrats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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