dheathcote Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Its a shame that this game seems to be going in the direction of having to have 3 CB because im sure most people like myself like to have a lot of attacking players and 5 at the back just makes you feel like you are playing defensively. But I think once everyone gets a better working of the game tactics will become more attacking again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigi Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Agree regarding high defensive line, same conclusion after trying many setups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I expect sometime during the week, I don't wanna put a date on it because that puts pressure on me and thats not good lol Yeah, no one pressure hough into a release, pressure will undoubtedly compromise the quality of the tactic as he might release something early which is not 100% effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiebird Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yeah, no one pressure hough into a release, pressure will undoubtedly compromise the quality of the tactic as he might release something early which is not 100% effective. Agreed Still, if he want's some testers? count me in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijnand fens Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I also want to test it ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubisch Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I've been using zonal marking with a high D line, I think that using deep D-Line draws the oppostion on too much and i'm not sure if you have noticed the long range shorts are quite effective in this patch so the last thing i want the defence to be deep so that the oppositon can have a shot from 25 yards and it most likely go in.Using Man Marking with a high D-Line isn't good either because the oppostion are really fast onto through balls so i find Zonal marking is the best overall I guess maybe you will have a hard time getting a tactics which work for both good and bad teams then. Because as a bad team I do not get many far shots getting in to my net. But I do get a lot of runs getting past my D-line. Which is most of my goals conceded. I guess as a good team it would be reverse - More long shots into the net cos of good opponent strikers, but not many runs past the D-line cos of good defenders yourself. So I really hope you can find some sort of beautiful mix between this, because it really is needed to have a tactic which works for bad teams too. So you can use it to build a bad team into a good team. Good luck MR. H - And feel no stress about it, smooth and easy - And you will succeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky-mark Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I couldn't wait for you to release your tactic Dave so from your pictures and from what you said on here i tried to reproduce it (kind of) and it's working a treat Playing as Liverpool and so far played 6 won 6. Goals 17 for 1 against. Glen Johnson is outstanding, 7 games 2 goals and 2 assists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky-mark Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 By the way my tactic is a 3-3-2-2. 3 defenders 2 wingbacks and a defensive mid 2 centermids, one more attacking (Gerrard) who is play maker 2 strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijnand fens Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 By the way my tactic is a 3-3-2-2. 3 defenders 2 wingbacks and a defensive mid 2 centermids, one more attacking (Gerrard) who is play maker 2 strikers Can you mail me your tactic? or put a link here. Bedankt! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junker Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I couldn't wait for you to release your tactic Dave so from your pictures and from what you said on here i tried to reproduce it (kind of) and it's working a treat Playing as Liverpool and so far played 6 won 6. Goals 17 for 1 against. Glen Johnson is outstanding, 7 games 2 goals and 2 assists. haha same I just went 7 games in a row without conceding, im over the moon I just did 3-2-3-1-1 balanced/standard gk CD-bpd CD-D CD-bpd WB-Att WB-Att CM-supp CM-def CM-supp AM-supp AF-att put it on the first 2 notches of push and zonal marking thats it. Sitting top of the league in January now with Liverpool, but going test it with Monaco now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 haha same I just went 7 games in a row without conceding, im over the moon I just did 3-2-3-1-1 balanced/standard gk CD-bpd CD-D CD-bpd WB-Att WB-Att CM-supp CM-def CM-supp AM-supp AF-att put it on the first 2 notches of push and zonal marking thats it. Sitting top of the league in January now with Liverpool, but going test it with Monaco now. first 2 notches of push? other settings etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hi Hough...looking forward to the new tactic...would be happy to test any out for you. Is the new tactic you're developing going to be a classic tactic like the ones for previous FMs? I take it you can still make the tactics in classic mode in FM13. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenham2k7 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I couldn't wait for you to release your tactic Dave so from your pictures and from what you said on here i tried to reproduce it (kind of) and it's working a treat Playing as Liverpool and so far played 6 won 6. Goals 17 for 1 against. Glen Johnson is outstanding, 7 games 2 goals and 2 assists. Any chance you could post this tactic to me so i can try it out until houghs done ? would be much appreciated....altho i understand if you dont want to due to respect for hough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 I guess maybe you will have a hard time getting a tactics which work for both good and bad teams then. Because as a bad team I do not get many far shots getting in to my net. But I do get a lot of runs getting past my D-line. Which is most of my goals conceded. I guess as a good team it would be reverse - More long shots into the net cos of good opponent strikers, but not many runs past the D-line cos of good defenders yourself. So I really hope you can find some sort of beautiful mix between this, because it really is needed to have a tactic which works for bad teams too. So you can use it to build a bad team into a good team. Good luck MR. H - And feel no stress about it, smooth and easy - And you will succeed. What you have said here about the oppositon running past your D-Line is a ME Expolit, The Defence generally stops on the 6 yard box if the ball is crossed or if the oppositon winger is running they leave him unopposed and he will score from the tightest of angles. This a massive flaw in the ME and something i will be looking to take advantage of until it's patched up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 Just wondering what would you actually prefer Classic Tactics or the New Wizard Style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Just wondering what would you actually prefer Classic Tactics or the New Wizard Style. I've always prefered using the classic rather than the wizard tactics - I never use shouts or OIs or anything usually and love the plug and play method more...I've always thought that you really need to use these with wizard tactics...but I'm probably wrong there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 I've always prefered using the classic rather than the wizard tactics - I never use shouts or OIs or anything usually and love the plug and play method more...I've always thought that you really need to use these with wizard tactics...but I'm probably wrong there! I never use shouts either just recreated the tactic in the wizard style to see how it was, Happy days gonna upload some more screens tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savell Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Dave I would recommend you look at doing a Wizard tactic as then people can use it in both Football Manager and Football Manager Classic. If you only use Classic tactics, then they will not work in FMC. I would personally prefer Wizard as then I have the option of playing FMC if I required, and you would know how your tactic works using the Wizard instead of some other random person recreating it for you. Just my £0.02c Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 Dave I would recommend you look at doing a Wizard tactic as then people can use it in both Football Manager and Football Manager Classic.If you only use Classic tactics, then they will not work in FMC. I would personally prefer Wizard as then I have the option of playing FMC if I required, and you would know how your tactic works using the Wizard instead of some other random person recreating it for you. Just my £0.02c Yeah that's what i have been thinking, Maybe it's time i made the transition to wizard tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEric07 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I never use shouts either just recreated the tactic in the wizard style to see how it was, Happy days gonna upload some more screens tomorrow. Never mind the screens man! Upload the tactic Save FM13 for me. Going back to FM10 until they fix the horrible ME but I will try out ur tactic when it is uploaded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 1+ Wizard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnli Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 classic, no need to think about shouts etc ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm sure Mr.Hough has found a way around this with his new tactic, but...... Is it just me or do the opposition literally just stick every single man behind the ball when you have it and are trying to attack. It just looks ridiculous. I usually play Carrick and Kagawa in my midfield so there is an attacking and defensive balance, however I've been having to play Kagawa and Isco (2 attacking mids) recently just to break down the 2 wall defence that the opposition seem to put up whenever im in their half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elpistolero Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Hey Dave Mate, Big fan of your Tactics, i'll be happy to tes the tactic out for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMisBAD2010 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm sure Mr.Hough has found a way around this with his new tactic, but......Is it just me or do the opposition literally just stick every single man behind the ball when you have it and are trying to attack. It just looks ridiculous. I usually play Carrick and Kagawa in my midfield so there is an attacking and defensive balance, however I've been having to play Kagawa and Isco (2 attacking mids) recently just to break down the 2 wall defence that the opposition seem to put up whenever im in their half. yep having the same problem here mate... and i dont know if you have notice but to me their wingers are more affective than mine aswell (feels like that anyways) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 yep having the same problem here mate... and i dont know if you have notice but to me their wingers are more affective than mine aswell (feels like that anyways) Well yeah, what happens is I've got one of the best midfields in the prem trying to break down 2 solid banks of Southampton defence and failing, only for their wingers to nick the ball of me, run down the wing, dribble their way into the box and shoot or cross into an open man on the opposite post. It's frustrating to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky-mark Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Sorry people, i tried messing about with my tactic and f**ked it up, prob best to wait for Dave to work his magic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMisBAD2010 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Well yeah, what happens is I've got one of the best midfields in the prem trying to break down 2 solid banks of Southampton defence and failing, only for their wingers to nick the ball of me, run down the wing, dribble their way into the box and shoot or cross into an open man on the opposite post.It's frustrating to say the least. i feel your pain lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 sorry i haven't ben on today as i've been at work all day, Gonna whack some screens up from a Tottenham Test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Here are some screens from a tottenham save, I am very confident in this tactic at the moment and i have noticed alot of things in the ME that are so different to FM12. I think i have cracked this formation and i'm gonna do one last test with a lower league side and get the tactic up tomorrow Tottenham after 10 games Awesome Gylfi QPR Have 0 shots all game!!!! Fistures so far. As you can see i am doing very well, I'll post more tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 That's some really impressive results right there, especially on this patch which seems to be causing even the best tacticians a few problems. Hopefully your test with a lower league side goes to plan and tomorrow we have something great to play with. May I ask what the final formation you decided on was? (Couldn't really follow your earlier posts) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
top man Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 haha same I just went 7 games in a row without conceding, im over the moon I just did 3-2-3-1-1 balanced/standard gk CD-bpd CD-D CD-bpd WB-Att WB-Att CM-supp CM-def CM-supp AM-supp AF-att put it on the first 2 notches of push and zonal marking thats it. Sitting top of the league in January now with Liverpool, but going test it with Monaco now. CD-bpd what is bpd ? is that cover, defend or stopper ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
top man Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 What formation is this that your using Mr Hough is that the one your working on or trying a new one ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 That's some really impressive results right there, especially on this patch which seems to be causing even the best tacticians a few problems.Hopefully your test with a lower league side goes to plan and tomorrow we have something great to play with. May I ask what the final formation you decided on was? (Couldn't really follow your earlier posts) Final formation is a 3-2-3-1-1, Very balanced tactic and although i play 3 at the back it's vert attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Classic or Wizard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junker Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 CD-bpd what is bpd ? is that cover, defend or stopper ? central defender-ball playing defender. Look pretty amazing Mr Hough, I do look forward to trying it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK ck x Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Classic or Wizard? its classic mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Mr Hough Thought you were looking to convert it into a Wizard tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Final formation is a 3-2-3-1-1, Very balanced tactic and although i play 3 at the back it's vert attacking. Awesome, already looking at teams to start a long term save with for tomorrow's release So far im thinking, Malaga, QPR or Liverpool. (Off topic but any suggestions people ???) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Mr HoughThought you were looking to convert it into a Wizard tactic? I am gonna convert it in the wizard after i release it so don't worry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK ck x Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Awesome, already looking at teams to start a long term save with for tomorrow's release So far im thinking, Malaga, QPR or Liverpool. (Off topic but any suggestions people ???) im managing QPR whilst testing daves new tactic and just drew first game 2-2 away to arsenal. will update more tomz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 I have a 94% win rate after 18 games with tottenham, Won 17 drawn 1 scored 49 conceded 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Mr Hough Is the tactic you are releasing the same one you sent me the other day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Mr HoughIs the tactic you are releasing the same one you sent me the other day? No it's different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 How is your striker performing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 How is your striker performing? Adybayor has 12 in 15 games Defoe has 7 in 7 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 You are so lucky Dave! If I was a computer-hacker, I would hack yours right away to get this piece of art, so I could put it on to test instantly. Untill this moment, FM13 is driving me insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 You are so lucky Dave! If I was a computer-hacker, I would hack yours right away to get this piece of art, so I could put it on to test instantly. Untill this moment, FM13 is driving me insane. I have passion for this, I'd make a Brilliant Beta tester, SI if your listening i'm available! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 20 games unbeaten, Lets see if i can do an arsenal lol, That would be an achievement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I have passion for this, I'd make a Brilliant Beta tester, SI if your listening i'm available! But then you probably wouldn't have much time to dedicate it to making these good tactics. That would be a bummer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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