Who is the worst English midfielder

[Icelander83]

Sorry I ruined it, everyone

[Leppard]

Ban yourself.

[Icelander83]

Can't ban mods I can hang my head in shame?

[ham_aka_stam]

I'd rather you hung jamez

[aggressive minor]

You do realize that Gerrard cannot play in a 4-4-2? Because it basically becomes a 4-3-2.

Brilliant

[aggressive minor]

That puts an end to my commitment to the thread.

Even the way he ends it all is fantastic!

[CaptainPlanet]

Think Gerrard and Parker as a two has won over a few people so far.

[ddidiodion]

In all fairness Gerrard has done pretty well so far, guilty of sitting back too deep against France but otherwise did his job. The fact he's been putting in great deliveries has helped him as well.

[Andyh21]

Well hopefully Wilshire will make it all his own over next few years!

Pure England hat on here!

[HisHolyHighness]

Yeah Gerrard proving his doubters wrong IMO. Two great assists.

[Lancer]

Parker's been appalling.

[Lermon]

Lampard is playing woeful.

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[SCIAG]

Gerrard has done well.

[Zaitsev]

Gerrard has been anonymous. Two crosses and people are crawling up his arse again.

[skybluedave]

Parker hasn't been fit.

Gerrard has done well. Regardless of the 2 crosses

[Rhino]

Gerrard has been anonymous. Two crosses and people are crawling up his arse again.

I've not heard anybody overrate his performances. He's been wasteful in possession and has been largely anonymous for large parts of each match, but to create two goals in the manner he has makes him worth his weight in gold (which is the same argument I often apply to Frank Lampard). I think the appraisal of him on the Internet and in the press have reflected that, pretty much.

[Icelander83]

I've not heard anybody overrate his performances. He's been wasteful in possession and has been largely anonymous for large parts of each match, but to create two goals in the manner he has makes him worth his weight in gold (which is the same argument I often apply to Frank Lampard). I think the appraisal of him on the Internet and in the press have reflected that, pretty much.

So if Lampard did the same it'd be worth more, is what you're saying?

'Fat Frank' jokes are still going, right?

[SCIAG]

Gerrard has been anonymous. Two crosses and people are crawling up his arse again.

He hasn't been amazing, but it is hard to fault him. He hasn't been the indisciplined lone ranger he was at the World Cup, for example.

[CaptainPlanet]

He wasn't really wasteful against France, kept possession well I thought. Against Sweden he got carried away after his assist and went for a few too many hollywood balls, but I guess you need someone to keep trying them as we're a bit low on creativity.

Has been fairly solid defensively which has helped a lot.

[dafuge]

I thought Parker was pretty poor against Sweden. Gerrard had his highlights but still gave the ball away unnecessarily.

As the best two we have available though I can't really complain, we don't have anyone who could do any better.

[Bababui]

joey barton

[georginho_juventusygr]

Why are we talking only about central midfielders?

After two matches, it's clearly James Milner.

[georginho_juventusygr]

Oh, realized that the thread is about central midfielders.

Still, the point stands.

[Mr Wallin]

He hasn't been amazing, but it is hard to fault him. He hasn't been the indisciplined lone ranger he was at the World Cup, for example.

Yea that has been a good improvement for you guys.

[Select_screen_name:]

Oh, realized that the thread is about central midfielders.

Still, the point stands.

It's definitely Young.

[scott MUFC]

Young?....

Gerrard.

[skybluedave]

OMG a Liverpool fan doesn't think it's Gerrard but thinks it's a Man Utd player.

OMG a Man Utd fan doesn't think it's Young but thinks it's a Liverpool player.

[Razzler]

He hasn't been amazing, but it is hard to fault him. He hasn't been the indisciplined lone ranger he was at the World Cup, for example.

what he said. Just shows he can do it if he wants

[CaptainPlanet]

So...

Erm...

:D

[SCIAG]

Barry climbing massively

[tomtuck01]

Anyone mentioning Milner doesn't understand the role he plays in the side.

[Select_screen_name:]

Young practically humiliated himself this tournament. The pen was a good send off for his efforts.

[scott MUFC]

Milner doesnt have the pace to play there.

Gerrard did better after a while, but hard to fault on tonight everyone was giving the ball away

[CaptainPlanet]

Henderson the best midfielder today.

[scott MUFC]

no he wasn't parker was.

[brett.spurs]

Nah, it was Pirlo.

[Select_screen_name:]

Parker was fine.

[Zaitsev]

Scholes/Wilshere/Lampard/Barry was England's best midfielder today.

[SCIAG]

Milner was the best today. Gerrard did well too. Parker looks shattered. Young was awful and Henderson did nothing except make a passback.

[Boltman]

So two prominent things arose through the course of England's tournament;

1. Gerrard and Parker received praise for their performances as a midfield pair.

2. The absence of Lampard and Barry was brought up frequently and cited as a major blow for England.

Now pardon me, but wouldn't Lampard and Barry have simply played as a pairing in much the same way as Gerrard and Parker? Perhaps the extra options would have offered a bit more scope for subs/freshness, but I'm a bit nonplussed by some people decrying the absence of Lampard and Barry as one of the reasons for England's 'failure'. I don't see how they could or would have performed any better or differently than the other two given the limitations of England's approach. Certainly wasn't necessarily a glaringly weak part of the side so much that FL & GB would have drastically altered the eventual outcome.

[Boltman]

Young practically humiliated himself this tournament. The pen was a good send off for his efforts.

Was quite clearly utterly sh!tting it in the build up to the kick. Never looked up at the goal once, just head down, eyes fixed on the ball, run up and smash it.

[Razzler]

I don't think it's a reason for failure at all but it would have been a nice option from the bench

[englandmanager]

wayne rooney is the worst midfielder

[Woodmansee]

All of them, time for some new faces.

[ddidiodion]

So two prominent things arose through the course of England's tournament;

1. Gerrard and Parker received praise for their performances as a midfield pair.

2. The absence of Lampard and Barry was brought up frequently and cited as a major blow for England.

Now pardon me, but wouldn't Lampard and Barry have simply played as a pairing in much the same way as Gerrard and Parker? Perhaps the extra options would have offered a bit more scope for subs/freshness, but I'm a bit nonplussed by some people decrying the absence of Lampard and Barry as one of the reasons for England's 'failure'. I don't see how they could or would have performed any better or differently than the other two given the limitations of England's approach. Certainly wasn't necessarily a glaringly weak part of the side so much that FL & GB would have drastically altered the eventual outcome.

I don't think anyone has said that, as a pair they were completely ineffectual at influencing the game. Gerrard had the odd moment of brilliant with his final delivery but as a pair they just weren't good enough.