R.P. McMurphy

The way FM 'counts' injuries to your squad

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Every time when I have three players in my squad for one position, one of those three is injured. There is no way that all three would stay not injured for even 1-2 months.

If I have just two players in rotation in for that position I can have whole season with no injuries. At least no long injuries.

And of course more players you have more injuries your squad is likely to get. But injuries hits just those position that have three players.

It get worse if you have versatile players. The game will 'count' that you have three players for many different positions and injury crisis is reality.

This have been the case with FM for many years now.

I never buy players that are prone to injury. I dont train them too hard. No hard tackling. Best backroom staff possible.

The way FM counts injuries to your team is frusrating. I cant buy versatile players and there is no benefits to have large squad. :thdn:


If you dont belive me, just go out there and buy that third one and see what happens. :lol:

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that doesn;'t happen. i have three right backs, GLen Johnson, Kelly & Flanagan. they dont get injured.

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[quote name='postal postie']that doesn;'t happen. i have three right backs, GLen Johnson, Kelly & Flanagan. they dont get injured.[/QUOTE]

Lucky. Just wait and snap.

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Fm does not base injuries on the number of players you have in a certain position or because of the versatility. The theories some people can come up with are brilliant.

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[quote name='milnerpoint']Fm does not base injuries on the number of players you have in a certain position or because of the versatility. The theories some people can come up with are brilliant.[/QUOTE]

That's what SI says. This theory is based on my own observations. FM05 --> FM12 I dont even want to think how mutch time I have wasted to this game.

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lol :) If you think its time wasted, dont pick it up again. I cant really think of any game you play in order to be productive

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It's really just a coincidence, i've gone many seasons with hardly any injuries and some other seasons with a lot of them, just like in real life.

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[quote name='milnerpoint']lol :) If you think its time wasted, dont pick it up again. I cant really think of any game you play in order to be productive[/QUOTE]

I enjoy wasting time. :D

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But if you have - for example - three left backs and one right back, left back injuries will be three times more common than right back.

You'll also find people who say the opposite is true, that the game "picks" where your squad is weak and targets that position.

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I'm so fed up!

I CAN PROVE MY THEORY.

Question is what kind of evidence do you want and need that you will belive me?

I have been trying to think that injuries dont work that way and bla bla. But these injuries keeps happening, almost only positions that I have 3 players for. These are long injuries. Latest one; my third AMR came back from leave of absense and bang my best AMR is 4 months out. That was enough! I cant pretend anymore, I have years of experience about this issue. I want you to realise/see it too so we could do something about it. I know that guys from SI keep saying that it doesnt work that way but I'm thinking that maybe they dont even know that code does this.

So tell me what you need to belive me?

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[quote name='R.P. McMurphy']I'm so fed up!

I CAN PROVE MY THEORY.

Question is what kind of evidence do you want and need that you will belive me?

I have been trying to think that injuries dont work that way and bla bla. But these injuries keeps happening, almost only positions that I have 3 players for. These are long injuries. Latest one; my third AMR came back from leave of absense and bang my best AMR is 4 months out. That was enough! I cant pretend anymore, I have years of experience about this issue. I want you to realise/see it too so we could do something about it. I know that guys from SI keep saying that it doesnt work that way but I'm thinking that maybe they dont even know that code does this.

[B]So tell me what you need to belive me?[/B] [/QUOTE]

A lot of alcohol.

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Following your logic wouldn't teams always have injuries to the goalkeepers?

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So explain me this OP. I have 3 strikers: Lavezzi, Cavani and Sanogo. Sanogo got injured for two weeks in pre-season. The entire of Serie A there were no injuries to my strikers. Hmmm....

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[quote name='Redbyrd']Following your logic wouldn't teams always have injuries to the goalkeepers?[/QUOTE]

I was about to use this example. I'm sure I've had spells of 5 straight seasons, or possibly more, of never having an injury to any of my goalkeepers.

Also the whole premise of this argument is confusing. If you have three players for one position, but one of those is always injured, then what's the problem? You have two others who are fit. Surely it'd better to have one of three players for each position injured simultaneously than have all three players of one single position injured at the one time. Injuries are part of the game, get used to it. A lot of people who use these forums are obsessed with things like 5 star coaches, and they all share training schedules, which are often very intensive. If you put your entire squad on intensive training, don't be surprised with the injuries rack up.

Also, if you compile a very good team, don't be surprised when the opposition go in on your star players hard. This is also a contributory factor to injuries. Just look at how many injuries during games Arsenal cop. If you have lots of good players and play a possession based game, don't be surprised when the injuries follow.

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These threads are written by people who need to get out of the basement and experience some sunshine.

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[quote name='R.P. McMurphy']And of course more players you have more injuries your squad is likely to get.[/QUOTE]

I think you might be on to something here... :D

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[quote name='Taytaz']So explain me this OP. I have 3 strikers: Lavezzi, Cavani and Sanogo. Sanogo got injured for two weeks in pre-season. The entire of Serie A there were no injuries to my strikers. Hmmm....[/QUOTE]

This is bound to your tactic. How many strikers you use?

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[quote name='Redbyrd']Following your logic wouldn't teams always have injuries to the goalkeepers?[/QUOTE]

First of all goalkeeper injuries are very rare in any case, unless they are prone to injuries. Sometimes I have three goalkeepers in my club but not in same squad. One of those three must be so young that he can play in under 19s or I loan one out.

You can also put all three in same squad but you must tick one available for reserve/under19. This is the only way to get around this issue.

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i never make any of my players available for reserve/under19s and i have no problems.
i know i've already replied to this thread, but going through my current team:

3 keepers: Reina,Doni,Jones
3 left wingers: Downing, El Ganassy, Hoillet
3 strikers: Carroll,Suarez,Kuyt (i only play 1 up front)
3 right backs: Johnson,Kelly,Flanagan

very few injuries.

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[quote name='R.P. McMurphy']I'm so fed up!

I CAN PROVE MY THEORY.

Question is what kind of evidence do you want and need that you will belive me?

I have been trying to think that injuries dont work that way and bla bla. But these injuries keeps happening, almost only positions that I have 3 players for. These are long injuries. Latest one; my third AMR came back from leave of absense and bang my best AMR is 4 months out. That was enough! I cant pretend anymore, I have years of experience about this issue. I want you to realise/see it too so we could do something about it. I know that guys from SI keep saying that it doesnt work that way but I'm thinking that maybe they dont even know that code does this.

So tell me what you need to belive me?[/QUOTE]
Firstly, it isn't a theory, it is a hypothesis. Lamarckian Evolution is a hypothesis, Darwinian evolution is a theory.

In order to believe you, I would need a large number of people, playing as a large number of clubs with a variety of players, to show that this happens a significant amount of the time. They would need to document every single injury that happens to their club over a period of several seasons and note the whether or not the injury happened to a player who plays in a position where another player has just recovered from injury, and the number of senior players who can play in that position. There would need to be a sensible control training intensity, with special attention paid to the intensity of physical training.

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A few points.

About 80% of my injuries happen in during match.

99,99% of "three player" injuries happen during match.

I keep training sensible. I dont buy injury prone players or players with low physical attributes.

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how much aerobic and strength training do you do?
do you play a passing game or mix it up abit?

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[quote name='R.P. McMurphy']
So tell me what you need to belive me?[/QUOTE]

Injury stats from all your saves from FM2005 - FM2012. If you want me to believe it happens "every time" and "for many years", then that's what you have to do. My own observations are that I rarely get injuries and always keep at least 3 players on my books for each position that I'd be happy to play in the first team if need be.

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[quote name='R.P. McMurphy']A few points.

About 80% of my injuries happen in during match.

99,99% of "three player" injuries happen during match.

I keep training sensible. I dont buy injury prone players or players with low physical attributes.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't change what you need to do to prove it. It seems too hard to ask for controls on player condition, when substitutes are made, and so forth.

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i've never really considered that FM will "injure" my players due to the amount I have in that position or any other bizarre reasons. Most of the time, the injuries occur due to me not rotating the team and overplaying certain players, or because I rush a player back into the team after recovering from injury

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I've got to say i've noticed this to a degree i have a save that stretched to 2045 and in a bigger squad i seemed to pick up a few more injuries in the same position but it can just be more players = more injuries. but i also have gone seasons where i've had 8 dm/cm and only lost 1 or 2 long term so i think it's got a degree of being unlucky and not coded into the game

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[quote name='SCIAG']Firstly, it isn't a theory, it is a hypothesis. Lamarckian Evolution is a hypothesis, Darwinian evolution is a theory.

In order to believe you, I would need a large number of people, playing as a large number of clubs with a variety of players, to show that this happens a significant amount of the time. They would need to document every single injury that happens to their club over a period of several seasons and note the whether or not the injury happened to a player who plays in a position where another player has just recovered from injury, and the number of senior players who can play in that position. There would need to be a sensible control training intensity, with special attention paid to the intensity of physical training.[/QUOTE]

This sounds dangerously like science.

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I always have 5 central midfielders in my first team squad. They are regularly never all injured.

I also have two left backs, two right backs and a D/RLC - again, they are regularly all fit at the same time.

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Surely I should have more injuries? I have 3 Natural people able to play in multiple positions?

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I'm gonna say that this is a coincidence.

My players have tough training schedules, they are told to tackle tough, and their injuries are sporadic at best.

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[quote name='Redbyrd']This sounds dangerously like science.[/QUOTE]
You know it :brock:

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My only theory is the game is fixed because you can guarantee 1 of your key players will get injured in training in the week leading up to a cup final or title decider! Happens to be every time!

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[quote name='R.P. McMurphy']This is bound to your tactic. How many strikers you use?[/QUOTE]
One striker....

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