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Hi all,

It seems that most of you have had a couple of exceptional seasons with this tactic, which is great and I appreciate all the really positive feedback.

The main issue is that the tactic seems to go to sleep after two or three seasons of consecutive use.

Now the obvious reason for that is re-ranking, as your reputation goes up, other teams begin to play more defensively against you and keep more men behind the ball. At some stage this will eventually lead to the other team 'cracking' your tactic, this doesn't mean the AI figured it out and adapted...it just means that the AI gradually treats you more like a big team and sets out to play differently (as if they were playing somebody with the rep of Real or Barce). At the same time your team become more complicate and less motivated....double whamey. Eventually every tactic will fail if you don't adapt it as you go.

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Hi all,

It seems that most of you have had a couple of exceptional seasons with this tactic, which is great and I appreciate all the really positive feedback.

The main issue is that the tactic seems to go to sleep after two or three seasons of consecutive use.

Now the obvious reason for that is re-ranking, as your reputation goes up, other teams begin to play more defensively against you and keep more men behind the ball. At some stage this will eventually lead to the other team 'cracking' your tactic, this doesn't mean the AI figured it out and adapted...it just means that the AI gradually treats you more like a big team and sets out to play differently (as if they were playing somebody with the rep of Real or Barce). At the same time your team become more complicate and less motivated....double whamey. Eventually every tactic will fail if you don't adapt it as you go.

I believe motivation is now broke and plays big part in your team falling apart. I don't win in four games and my team are suffering from over confidence? Right. It doesn't matter what I say to them either. There are othersituations with motivation that make no sense but I can't be arsed to go into it. I think they broke it with all these ridiculous, micro management team talks so the players have no clue what the hell they are thinking or feeling anymore.

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I still think this is the best tactic in the forum and the movement is similar to the devasto of fm 11.2. HOWEVER, it is annoying that no matter what you do, 3/5 of the way into the season the tactic just isn't as effective. That said, by that point your team should be gelled and motivation should give you the momentum to win the last 2/5 of the season. IF fuss is still alive could you suggest anything, or revisit this tactic to see if any tweaks can be made?!

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SEASON 2011-12

Patch: 12.1.1

Update: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downl...o=file&id=6305

I have done my first season. It was magnificent.

WON: LEAGUE, FA CUP and LEAGUE CUP!

Pictures:

League Table - http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6...guetabledl.jpg

Fixtures 1 - http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5146/fixtures1q.jpg

Fixtures 2 - http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2701/fixtures2.jpg

Transfer 2011-12 - http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8...sfer201112.jpg

vs Man Utd - http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8639/vsmanutd.jpg

vs Tottenham - http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7721/vstottenham.jpg

vs Wolves - http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/631/vswolves.jpg

Ba - http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8994/46936828.jpg

Taylor - http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2614/taylorp.jpg

SEASON 2012-13

Transfers 2012-13 - http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6...1213summer.jpg

Squad 2012-13- http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/8981/squad201213.jpg

Some stadium backgrounds picture:

Barca - http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/111/barcavj.jpg

Bayern - http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3157/bayernx.jpg

HSV - http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/900/hsvh.jpg

Juve - http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1824/juvech.jpg

Lyon - http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6138/lyony.jpg

Man Utd. - http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/719/manutdr.jpg

Milan - http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/4818/milanp.jpg

Pool - http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/728/poolb.jpg

Real Madrid - http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7896/realmadridp.jpg

Valencia - http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5136/valencial.jpg

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I still think this is the best tactic in the forum and the movement is similar to the devasto of fm 11.2. HOWEVER, it is annoying that no matter what you do, 3/5 of the way into the season the tactic just isn't as effective. That said, by that point your team should be gelled and motivation should give you the momentum to win the last 2/5 of the season. IF fuss is still alive could you suggest anything, or revisit this tactic to see if any tweaks can be made?!

Still alive - waiting for next patch before really releasing anything else.

I've been giving this a go again, the tactic seems to be a wrecking ball for good teams to use...but smaller teams it doesn't really work for. As for keeping it going, have a another tactic up your sleeve in-case it grinds too a halt for a while and then switch back. I'm a big fan of Brobs work.

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Thanks for a response fuss. Well the thing is when this works i know this is the best tactic on fm 12 period. So my plan is to use this for half the season and then the 4222 tweak which is just below the standard of this tactic, and simply switch between them :)

So, do you no longer use the width and pass focus tweaks? You just swap tactics completely instead.

To be fair, even when the tactic does loose effectiveness, its not that you dont win, you just don't get as many cccs and convincing wins, it is still playable.

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Thanks for a response fuss. Well the thing is when this works i know this is the best tactic on fm 12 period. So my plan is to use this for half the season and then the 4222 tweak which is just below the standard of this tactic, and simply switch between them :)

So, do you no longer use the width and pass focus tweaks? You just swap tactics completely instead.

To be fair, even when the tactic does loose effectiveness, its not that you dont win, you just don't get as many cccs and convincing wins, it is still playable.

My teams good now, so I just power through with this tactic regardless, but with a lesser team it's worth looking at your options if things get difficult.

Used this tactic with Newcastle in the first season. Defence was leaky, but the attack was very good. Finished 5th, but changed tactics for the 2nd season. Good work Fuss.

Cheers, I'll be using this as a base for a new tactic when the patch finally arrives - my other tactics favour a defensive line at notch 15, this uses one at notch 12, it may be worth trying it 2 notches higher, although I haven't tested as I'm not really playing atm.

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Yeah i know mate, hence my last comment. I have noticed that as you strengthen your team, you are pretty much able to plug away with the tactic regardless of how much uumph it looses!

Best movement for a tactic i have ever seen! I know i keep saying it, but i feel that it is true :)

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Like the Background pics. Any chance of releasing them?

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All of a sudden I'm having that problem where your opposition instructions are automatically applied at the start of games.

And no, I have not selected my assistant manager to automatically apply O.I in the team policy screen!

wtf, this is like the most ridiculous bug ever !

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All of a sudden I'm having that problem where your opposition instructions are automatically applied at the start of games.

And no, I have not selected my assistant manager to automatically apply O.I in the team policy screen!

wtf, this is like the most ridiculous bug ever !

Remove the IO''s before the match starts, saver the tactic under different name 'FuSStidious V1 NO-OI' or similar, and then reload it under that name from archived tactics and re-save once more.

Should be gone forever :)

Sorry about that.

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Fuss AML with better right or left foot same with AMR??? and for strikers with good left foot where is best to play him in the left or right side?

Shouldn't make a great deal of difference as they are very free-roaming roles.

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Remove the IO''s before the match starts, saver the tactic under different name 'FuSStidious V1 NO-OI' or similar, and then reload it under that name from archived tactics and re-save once more.

Should be gone forever :)

Sorry about that.

I see, thanks mate.

Going to start my save with Newcastle again then, as it mucked up my results quite a lot.

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Perfect season :) Little bit of fun, this doesn't count as a test as it's from my personal game and my squad is the best in the world. Not to mention most of the young players have been brought through the ranks together and have a level of gelling and understanding second to none.

7 trophies: Community shield, Super Cup, FIFA Club World Cup, Carling Cup, FA Cup, Premier League & Champions League

League table...check out the concedes

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Best Squad in the world

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This is the best season I've ever had in the game I think - it took months to complete and I adjusted the tactic slightly to suit the next opponent each time. Just shows you what can be done. That said I do have the best squad in the world without any doubt.

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Fuss can u tell us what tweaks u make to adapt your tactic for each oponnent?From what I see in post #222 this must be an insane good tactic.U can tell that a tactic is good by watching scored/conceeds ratio and from your picture this ratio is just incredible.

I usually play with weak sides too Norwich being one of my favourites because playing as Arsenal,Barcelano is too easy and i get bored with no chalange.

Even by saying that you have best squad from all world i really doubt it,Barcelona with Messi,Iniesta,Xavi is still better :) IMO,results are outrageus as good.

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The results above are based on a new tactic I'm working on, which I'm not putting out until after the patch (as it;ll probably need some adapting).

The results above have been a achieved by me changing an awful lot every match very slightly, it's usually the case of having a very good scout and listening to his pre-match recommendations and your own brain. I often change (slightly) the defensive line, the width, the formation and the focus of passing; I leave mentality/passing/tempo well alone.

For example, if a team is playing 4-2-3-1 (a favourite of better AI teams it seems) I tend to struggle against this fromation, so usually ill drop the D-line and have a central DM, against weaker teams using this I'll employ an AMC to exploit the space behind the midfield that the AI leaves in such a formation.

Basically, I'm saying that the 'formation' has a very big effect in FM12 in my opinion...different tactics can be great against everything but then suddenly struggle against a certain formation. For me it's a case of looking learning which formations are difficult and finding key ways to adapt to them.

Also don't underestimate the quality of the above team - there are a lot of extremely talented youngsters that have been playing together for three seasons. I find having a really well blended squad that are used to playing with one another makes a massive difference (That was Wenger's theory with Arsenal after-all!).

I also believe that players adapt to your motivational style, I've been aggressive with these players for years now...and now I can give an aggressive team-talk at half-time even if we are 3 goals up and they still all respond well (which is surely a bug really? would you be motivated if your manager laid onto you for being 3 goals in the lead? I doubt it!). Notably, new signing (Neymar and Bale) are the only people that dont response well to my super aggressive team talks. It could be a coincidence, but I'm convinced that SI have added to the game that players adapt to your motivation style, and it really seems to work, my team are constantly motivated/fired-up and the team-talks are easy peasy now.

Remember also it's 2016, so some of the unknown regens are now legends! Dirk Baufeit is only 18 and he's already one of the best DM's I've ever seen (really bad stamina though, only even lasts 60minutes). Weiss has won the fifa ballon d'or twice in a row and I've just rejected a big of 60m for him, and Stuart Cox is stunning (look at his goals...he only has 14 finishing! but he has 19 Pace and Acceleration.)

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Thanks for the thorough answer.

Fair enough if you wait until the 12.2 patch to release the new tactic.

As you mentioned, I think the time of using one single tactic as plug'n'play is over. With the 12.1 patch, SI has really laid emphasis on not using just one tactic, but you have to have some tactical alternatives up your sleeve. And even more advanced; tweak your tactic so it adapts each new facing opponent.

That's why it would be great (when you release the new one) if you made a thorough guide on how-to tweak the tactic according to the opponent's tactical set-up. Of course along with the base-tactic :)

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Thanks for the thorough answer.

Fair enough if you wait until the 12.2 patch to release the new tactic.

As you mentioned, I think the time of using one single tactic as plug'n'play is over. With the 12.1 patch, SI has really laid emphasis on not using just one tactic, but you have to have some tactical alternatives up your sleeve. And even more advanced; tweak your tactic so it adapts each new facing opponent.

That's why it would be great (when you release the new one) if you made a thorough guide on how-to tweak the tactic according to the opponent's tactical set-up. Of course along with the base-tactic :)

I may have a look at something like that come the new patch - but not signing up to anything yet as the patch may change something fundamental for all we know.

I've already posted somewhere my team-talk guide, which has since popped up in threads all over the shop. Really must make a new thread for it.

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Testing with wolves at the moment is going great, so will whiz through a season and hopefully be able to release in a couple of days.

Just need a mod to update the thread title :)

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Looking good. What type of players at the two CM's and two strikers?

I've updated the front page with ideal types. But I'm using the normal Wolves squad, so everyone is distinctly average.

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right decided there's still a fair bit of work to be done, so going to wait for the patch - sorry guys, it's just not worth putting in the hours knowing it'll be wasted in days.

At the moment I highly recommend Mr Hough's newest tactic, it's fantastic.

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