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Unreal Newgens and Regens

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Is it just me or game is becoming kinda unrealistic after 5, 10 or more years? Regens and newgens are just too good to be real, you have wingers 6 foot 6, with skills like Messi, and just overall quality of players is too good, I bet some people like it that way, but reason why I play FM is because it`s most realistic and this just doesn`t fit to me. I believe I`m not the only one who thinks so.

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I havent played enough to really judge, but sofar (3 seasons in) I havent seen any extraordinary newgen.

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Yes, this is actually one of the few things that nag me... I'm only 3 years in and I already bought about 100 regens because I was used to FM11 and they all exceeded my FM11 top team standards for young talents... :-/

BTW: Playing with a 90,000 player database.

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Jonas is well over 6 foot and has skills like Messi :cool:

ahem.

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It does seem like newgens are generally better than they were in FM11. There were many complaints about their low quality, so SI has apparently made the overall quality better. This may be one of the factors that makes the game too easy for some of us - while the AI benefits from more access to higher quality players, so do we... only we're better.

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I remember in FM 2010, i was about 12 years in my save and found this newgen with almost every stat being 20. His only weaknesses were natural fitness and stamina (both were below 10). Despite this, giving him a run out of 45 mins or so would still see him dominating. I wasn't lucky enough to be able to sign him and I stopped playing shortly after discovering him so I can't really pass anymore comments, I would have loved to have seen him in action though.

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the quality of the regens in FM11 was quite low IMO. Now it seems ok for me, AI finally can sign some good players on long term it is better.

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There's some good players around and they are appearing at all levels, so I think it's much better than before. It'll be interesting to see 20 or 30 seasons in what the top teams look like.

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My problem with newgens are more related with their key atributes them with their overall quality.

Are they more balanced? Or there are still newgens wingers with 6 speed and 5 dribbling? or a central defender with 5 jumping?

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The thing is in real life you can see many talents fail, and in FM newgen/regen talents develope really good in most cases and thats where the game is starting to be overcrowded with good players imo, comparing to real life.

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I was amazed in my Man City save to gave several 3½ regens. Amazed, but pleased. Most versions before I'd be lucky to get one 2+ regen a year.

GYAC might be completed this year thanks to the improved regens. ;)

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Glad that we have more realistic prospected regens. They may have great potential, but how many actaully become Messi's? Big difference.

Ben Thornley was the left footed Beckham I seem to remember. They don't all develop...

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The thing is in real life you can see many talents fail, and in FM newgen/regen talents develope really good in most cases and thats where the game is starting to be overcrowded with good players imo, comparing to real life.

Are you actually seeing that though? I'm not far enough in my save yet. Generally the AI is atrocious at player development and leave a lot of regens with great potential in the reserves.

evora69 - are you finding that? 16 year olds should come with poor physical attributes - they haven't finished growing yet. What I've read is that a dispropotionate number have very low bravery, an attribute that never improves much.

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Almost all regens in Argentina have been good for me. And I didn't even load that country.

7 of my first team (sweden) are from Argentina and 5 of them are classified as Home-Grown since they have been in my club ever since 18. Two of them even took Sweden passport and are playing for Sweden.

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Noticed that too, prime example are MLS regens.

Considering the fact that in previous FMs, MLS newgens were terrible, including 1st round picks. I'm happy to see that they're improved and can actually be decent on MLS teams.

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As long as they have got rid of the endless supply of 5' 2" defensive midfielders, I don't care. :confused:

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I havent played enough to really judge, but sofar (3 seasons in) I havent seen any extraordinary newgen.

Same here.

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Er, ONE case doesn't prove anything!

Yea thats why it is "just one of", anyway tell me one player in history of football with that kinda profile

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to be honest I am into my 4th season and I have not seen 1 outstanding newgen, you must be 1 of the lucky ones that gets all the best newgens from day 1 and no 1 else gets any. Well done & congratulations

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Some from my game:

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Some from my game:

Those are good, quality players. Plenty like them in the original database. Besides, football players are getting better and better and the superstars from 10 years ago would not stand out that much now. If FM manages to simulate the steady improvement to the world of football I think this is a good thing.

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Okay, everybobdy has an opinion on this one.. to get an objective view, one would have to simulate 30 years into the game and then compare the amount of high CA/PA players and player ratings (in FMRTE) from 2011 and 2041.

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there are always some great regen players in the mexico youth setup and they are almost always precontract guys. so if you have the reputation you can really clean up there. mexico is way better in FM than they are in real life.

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Yea thats why it is "just one of", anyway tell me one player in history of football with that kinda profile

Zlatan Ibrahimovic?

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Regens don't exist.

I know! It is a pet hate of mine Fabio, when people say regen!!! :p

Zlatan Ibrahimovic?

Not in the same league as the newgen posted above. Not too far away, but the newgen is a cut above, and we cannot see the hidden attributes either, and Zlatans are....... ;)

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Regens don't exist.

For godness sake everyone knows what people mean.

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I know! It is a pet hate of mine Fabio, when people say regen!!! :p

Not in the same league as the newgen posted above. Not too far away, but the newgen is a cut above, and we cannot see the hidden attributes either, and Zlatans are....... ;)

Exactly!

For godness sake everyone knows what people mean.

What do people mean? ; )

Quality. :D

Posts like this make me want a "like" button more on here :p

:brocky:

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How does a "newgen" come about? When a player retires is a newgen created with the same positions of the retireree? (ie, Ryan Giggs, Welsh, MLC, AML - Will the newgen be Welsh, a MLC, AML and similar PA as Ryan Giggs, thinking about it, this seems like a regen) or is it that Ryan Giggs retired, a random Welsh person with random position and PA in his place?

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I dont think its quite as simple as that, what your describing with the giggs example is what used to happen a long time ago and yes they were called regens as they were regenerated players, but basically carbon copies of players already in the database. Honestly im not quite sure the criteria for the game making new players, i think it will be a combination of avaliable players withing a CA/PA range, which will take the countries reputation level into account.

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Regens were retired players being regenerated with the same attributes and personal details except the name. Newgens were still regenerated players but the nationality, attributes etc were generated 'randomly'. They ditched that system after FM06 and nowadays every newly generated player has nothing to do with retired ones.

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Regens were retired players being regenerated with the same attributes and personal details except the name. Newgens were still regenerated players but the nationality' date=' attributes etc were generated 'randomly'. They ditched that system after FM06 and nowadays every newly generated player has nothing to do with retired ones.[/quote']

SO when Ryan Giggs retires, a random person with random positions, PA and nationality is generated. Hmmm...

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Nope' date=' that's how the newgen system worked back in the day. The current system has nothing to do with retired players.[/quote']

Im now mroe confused than i was orginally.. It makes no sense..

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What makes no sense? There have been three different systems for generating new players in the game. Regens back in the days of CM, newgens in FM2005-2006 (maybe in cm4 as well, can't be sure) and the current FRED system. The latter produces players that are not regenerated from retired players and not connected to them in any way whatsoever.

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Newgens don't exist as well. :(

Seriously some of you should just calm down. I was only joking.

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