milnerpoint Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Pft take your jokes elsewhere, we're talking about serious issues here............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 *walks away* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_Jambo Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 What makes no sense? There have been three different systems for generating new players in the game. Regens back in the days of CM' date=' newgens in FM2005-2006 (maybe in cm4 as well, can't be sure) and the current FRED system. The latter produces players that are not regenerated from retired players and not connected to them in any way whatsoever.[/quote']Ok, i now understand the system, but not the process?? What does teh FRED do differently to a "newgen"?? How are they generated and in what form?? So in the new FRED system if 100 players retired in the first season, 100 "FRED's" are not generated and it becomes a random number of to how many are?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ok, i now understand the system, but not the process?? What does teh FRED do differently to a "newgen"?? How are they generated and in what form?? So in the new FRED system if 100 players retired in the first season, 100 "FRED's" are not generated and it becomes a random number of to how many are?? Pretty much. There are many, many more FRED's every year than there are retiring players. Think of how your youth income works. There's a couple of decent ones usually and the rest will be released and vanish into obscurity i.e retire. If you had 100 FRED's replacing 100 retired players the player count would go down drastically within a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Regen - Old player retired, new player came into the save game as a replacement with same abilities. Newgen - Old player retired new random player came into the save game. FREDS - Random players enter the save game without any link to retiring players. FREDS are being used since FM 2007 IIRC. As simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_Jambo Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Pretty much. There are many' date=' many more FRED's every year than there are retiring players. Think of how your youth income works. There's a couple of decent ones usually and the rest will be released and vanish into obscurity i.e retire. If you had 100 FRED's replacing 100 retired players the player count would go down drastically within a couple of years.[/quote']So, This Alex Ferguson guy :confused: :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocuous Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I loved the old regen system. Whenever a big name retired, you'd try and find the new version of them. It was brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_Jambo Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Regen - Old player retired, new player came into the save game as a replacement with same abilities.Newgen - Old player retired new random player came into the save game. <-------- This seems the best option to me! FREDS - Random players enter the save game without any link to retiring players. FREDS are being used since FM 2007 IIRC. As simple as that. AS Above . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 AS Above . Why would that be the best option? The new FRED system is a million times better than anything they had before, its the most realistic of all the ideas they came up with regarding game generated players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 AS Above . Not for me TBH. That means a player has to retire in order for a new one to be generated. I find the current system to be the best one so far ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I interpreted regen as a newborn copy of an existing player and newgen as a newly generated player, or a FRED as you call it. What's that short for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Newgens don't exist as well. Seriously some of you should just calm down. I was only joking. FREDs are a type of newgen, it's still the same system. FREDs are also obsolete now as we have a further evolution of newgen available again in FM12. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I interpreted regen as a newborn copy of an existing player and newgen as a newly generated player, or a FRED as you call it. What's that short for? Was a name Miles made up to differentiate between the newgens and the new style of newgen introduced. Was literally just a name he pulled out of the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 found this guy after ONE year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seule Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I think my only real contribution to this discussion is this : I holidayed a mere 4 seasons so I could look at how players progress etc, and to see how the regens work out. 4 seasons into my test game there are 13 players with a PA over 190, 11 of them are newgens. 72 players have PA over 180, 30 of them are newgens, so I'm going to work on the assumption that randomly, this game just happened to generate more players over 190 than usual. All this said, how the players are handled determines really how well they turn out. I know I've played a lot of games where I don't make it past season 2, I imagine there are a lot of people who lose interest in their games after only a few seasons. In the long term saves I have played (long term being over 4 seasons) I have a habit of setting up a team to survive the first couple of seasons and then focus my attentions on digging up the good regens. When I play my long term save, I don't look at the genie scout info I've provided above, makes the game no fun if you already know the outcome. But I know they're out there, the regens are there if I go and find them, buying them after some silly computer manager has had them is a waste, those guys are good at wrecking players So my goal is to make the best scouting network, and the best youth system in the world, it's not super hard to do, it actually winds up being more of a problem trying to keep everyone happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Is it just me or is there an abundance of newgens with a determination attribute 20? And at a very young age of like 15/16. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Is it just me or is there an abundance of newgens with a determination attribute 20?And at a very young age of like 15/16. It's not you. Loads of them have very high Determination at a very early age. It happened on FM 11.3 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cragswfc Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 he amazing new messi?? and what that skin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matorko Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Better than him Imagine their strike force now.. Messi, Sanchez and this dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 what skin is it mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matorko Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Dark Silence with OPZ's tabs and texture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 could you send it us please? sorry to go of topic people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laker9 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Dark Silence with OPZ's tabs and texture. Could you upload that mate? I can't find it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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