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I will consider Anchor Man, Defensive Midfielder, Halfback and BWM, but I really like DLP(D) like Busi, Alonso or Weigl, so I would to leave this. So maybe should I change DLP(S) to BBM?

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3 hours ago, yonko said:

BWM is not more defensively stable than DLP-D and it doesn't get more involved in the build up at all. It was a bad/misinformed advice. 

DM-D or Anchor Man are more stable roles defensively and more recommendable.

Thats your opinion that defensively stable means players stay in position rather than closing down.  Saying a BWM chases all over the pitch is bad/misinformed advice. I never mentioned build up play but really, does a 3rd playmaker in CM add to it when there's already 2 close by?  I agree DM-D or Anchor Man are two of many other good options.

 

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1 hour ago, LeonardSnart said:

I will consider Anchor Man, Defensive Midfielder, Halfback and BWM, but I really like DLP(D) like Busi, Alonso or Weigl, so I would to leave this. So maybe should I change DLP(S) to BBM?

You might want to just make a thread a post your full tactic, you will just get peoples personal preference and speculation since we only know 3 positions in your tactic.  You need to build combinations between players so can't you look at defence / midfield / attack in isolation.

But generically yes that sounds like a fairly standard midfield trio, 1 holding (DLP-D), 1 runner (BBM-S) and 1 creator (AP).  How well they perform will obviously depend on the players used and the roles+duties around them.

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1 hour ago, summatsupeer said:

Thats your opinion that defensively stable means players stay in position rather than closing down.  Saying a BWM chases all over the pitch is bad/misinformed advice. I never mentioned build up play but really, does a 3rd playmaker in CM add to it when there's already 2 close by?  I agree DM-D or Anchor Man are two of many other good options.

 

How is a BWM defensively stable option then? Explain. What is "defensively stable" anyway? Your definition, that is.

Besides DM-D and Anchor, what are the many other options more defensively stable than DLP-D? Are there really "many" other options?

No, you didn't say anything about the build up but that was part of the initial question and advice I replied to. 

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4 hours ago, M4nager1a said:

No man,it rly makes a difference if there's a single BWM in midfield.The BWM just not need to suck at pressing and good teamwork with CB,after that the defence shall not have serious problem defending

Mark tighter & Hold position should solve it up.And BWM didn't chase all over the field,it's only near his area or abit far out.

Although it's not a creative power,it adds up an extra man which works effectively to counter opponents with strikers closing down CB's.Then BWM will lay it down to a playmaker and hell breaks loose

What would "mark tighter" and "hold position" solve? What do these option do? Do you know? BWM closes down only near his area and bit far out? It has the most aggressive closing down of any role. And you can't change it. If that you sole DM role and he's meant to protect the defensive, how is that stable?

How does it add an extra man? The other roles don't do that? What is the movement off the ball compared to say a DLP or HB?

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3 hours ago, Mactier said:

 CLUB DNA - benchmarks for attributes.  Vids & blogs cover briefly Attribute DNA and quote reference points for elite players (EPL etc) but how do I establish what's an acceptable DNA number for Vanarama.  The guides mention minimums of 12 or 13 attribute scores.   Lucky to have a few blokes with just one attribute that high down in the vanarama leagues.

That's where your judgement comes into play.  Have a look at your squad and use the reports available in the side menu to compare how your players stack up to the rest of your division.

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27 minutes ago, yonko said:

How is a BWM defensively stable option then? Explain. What is "defensively stable" anyway? Your definition, that is.

Besides DM-D and Anchor, what are the many other options more defensively stable than DLP-D? Are there really "many" other options?

No, you didn't say anything about the build up but that was part of the initial question and advice I replied to. 

Your the one who said "defensively stable", I wouldn't use that phrase.  Applying pressure on opponents comes down to risk/reward, i'd be happy for him to try and win the ball back sooner, potentially stopping an attack before it develops.

There's lots of viable combinations for a midfield 3 but it depends whats going on around them.  Don't be pedantic about it when we only know 3 suggest roles in a planned tactic so no actual reported issues.

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5 hours ago, yonko said:

What would "mark tighter" and "hold position" solve? What do these option do? Do you know? BWM closes down only near his area and bit far out? It has the most aggressive closing down of any role. And you can't change it. If that you sole DM role and he's meant to protect the defensive, how is that stable?

How does it add an extra man? The other roles don't do that? What is the movement off the ball compared to say a DLP or HB?

Mark tighter and hold position will limit him from unnecessary Roaming.And I didn't say that he protect the defensive solely,he works with CB to help steal the possesion.Ofc the aggressive traits is unchangeable.

Shall be set defensively,BWM will lay deeper Anchorman-like and provide a passing option for the GK.Given the aggressiveness and typical good physical trait,BWM wouldn't lose the ball easily.This is what I saw from my BWM plays from 8 years playing for my club.Adios.

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Hello guys.

When you are looking for an attacking fullback very important for your tactic, either a wingback or a complete wingback, which attributes your look for?  Do you favour attacking attributes over defensive?

In this case i'm looking for a  CWB on the right side, but for me is always difficult to decide the best attributes for a fullback when looking for one.

 

Thanks.

 

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2 hours ago, mikcheck said:

Hello guys.

When you are looking for an attacking fullback very important for your tactic, either a wingback or a complete wingback, which attributes your look for?  Do you favour attacking attributes over defensive?

In this case i'm looking for a  CWB on the right side, but for me is always difficult to decide the best attributes for a fullback when looking for one.

I always make a distinction between a full back and wing back. When attack-minded, FB tend to attack the space with forward runs and crosses from the byline. The WB is more prone to do these movements not only in space, but also with the ball on his feet, so I'd look for a good dribbling attribute.

For the CWB role there's the extra demand of roaming from position. Ideally for this I'd go for a Marcelo/Dani Alves type of player, which means someone who is very capable of making a difference in the final third, and also has competency in defence.

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18 hours ago, summatsupeer said:

Your the one who said "defensively stable", I wouldn't use that phrase.  Applying pressure on opponents comes down to risk/reward, i'd be happy for him to try and win the ball back sooner, potentially stopping an attack before it develops.

There's lots of viable combinations for a midfield 3 but it depends whats going on around them.  Don't be pedantic about it when we only know 3 suggest roles in a planned tactic so no actual reported issues.

Check again who used "defensively stable" term first. Was it me or the user I was replying to? If you can't keep up with it, don't participate. Pedantic? Don't use such big words, homeboy. You made some big statements and now you're deflecting. Why did you agree with me that DM-D and Anchor are better options than BWM? And I still want to hear about the many other options......

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13 hours ago, M4nager1a said:

Mark tighter and hold position will limit him from unnecessary Roaming.And I didn't say that he protect the defensive solely,he works with CB to help steal the possesion.Ofc the aggressive traits is unchangeable.

Shall be set defensively,BWM will lay deeper Anchorman-like and provide a passing option for the GK.Given the aggressiveness and typical good physical trait,BWM wouldn't lose the ball easily.This is what I saw from my BWM plays from 8 years playing for my club.Adios.

Mark tighter has nothing to do with preventing your player from roaming. BWM doesn't roam at all, anyway. He closes down aggressively. And it can't be changed. If he's the sole player in front of the defense to help the CBs, then that is very risky and he will leave the space to close down per his role. BWM is nothing like Anchorman. And we are talking about the nature of the role, not specific player with strong attributes.

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11 hours ago, herne79 said:

Cut out the bickering please.

This isn't a discussion thread, it's for simple questions and answers.  Please start a new thread for discussion topics.

Copy that

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22 hours ago, kingjericho said:

I always make a distinction between a full back and wing back. When attack-minded, FB tend to attack the space with forward runs and crosses from the byline. The WB is more prone to do these movements not only in space, but also with the ball on his feet, so I'd look for a good dribbling attribute.

For the CWB role there's the extra demand of roaming from position. Ideally for this I'd go for a Marcelo/Dani Alves type of player, which means someone who is very capable of making a difference in the final third, and also has competency in defence.

Thanks!

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Hi guys!

Can anyone  explain some things in 'Staff Profile'?

For example, here is a FC Groningen and Barcelona managers:

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I understand prefered formation, closing down (stand-off, mixed, pressing), passing style (passing, mixed, direct), and marking (man, zonal, mixed).

All this things reflects what tactical style prefer this manager. I dont understand 2 things: Coaching style and Playing mentality. Take a look on this 2 managers, their coaching style: Attacking and Playing mentality: very cautious. How it possible?

If Playing mentality it's a strategy what this manager prefer, what is a Coaching style?

 

In my manager profile i also have this: coaching style - attacking

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but i never played in attacking football, with high tempo or with top-heavy formations. My formation is deep 4-4-2 with 2 dms. (p.s: everything else is correct here, i play with standart mentality with everything in TI on: mixed).

why i want it to know? i dont have time/desire to watch how my opponent plays, but just a quick glance on the manager profile gives me a good representation of their tactic. It helps me a lot. 

Thank you.

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Both Managers will probably play a possession based game, as Barca do in general, so the build up play is considered and slower, shorter passing, focusing on retaining possession = Cautious Playing style

Both Manager have high Attacking Stat = Coaching style = Attacking.

 

Your profile will be based on what the game see's you as playing. Even though i have a few saves with standard mentality, as I've won a lot, and create a lot of chances, it shows a attacking. Mixed passing\marking you've already stated.

Your profile will also depend on the settings you set on your profile, so if your attacking stats are high you'll show as attacking as your coaching style.

 

 

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21 hours ago, narkishadow said:

If Playing mentality it's a strategy what this manager prefer, what is a Coaching style?

In my manager profile i also have this: coaching style - attacking

 

 

This :

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Posted (edited)

I don't understand how a DLF is supposed to create space for other players to attack. When I watch games, he's usually infront of the opposition's CBs, but the they are not closing him down when he's in possession. At best a DM might close him down which is useless because there's no space for my IF to attack behind the opposition defence. It might free one of my attacking midfielders from the marking, but what's the point when you can't actually pull the back four/five out of shape?

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From what age do players benefit more from matches than from training? I know one of the Mods said young players develop more with training than matches, when does that change?

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5 minutes ago, kingjericho said:

From what age do players benefit more from matches than from training? I know one of the Mods said young players develop more with training than matches, when does that change?

I believe i read something that was after they made 18.

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2 hours ago, herne79 said:

After your recent outbursts where you take a swing at this forum and it's apparent lack of contributors, you're still asking questions and expect a reply?  Good luck with that.

Not to mention your foul mouthed tirade in General Discussion for which you were extremely lucky you weren't given some time off.  If that had been in this forum you would have been.

Try apologising first.

I'm sorry for my outbursts. I didn't take a swing at the lack of contributors, I said that it feels less active than last year for example and by that I mean people asking for advises etc, it wasn't a dig at creators like you or Cleon.

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10 hours ago, kingjericho said:

From what age do players benefit more from matches than from training? I know one of the Mods said young players develop more with training than matches, when does that change?

 

10 hours ago, Keyzer Soze said:

I believe i read something that was after they made 18.

If I remember rightly: <18 training is all that matters, 18-21 they're equally important then 21+ they've just got to get games. 

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7 hours ago, zlatanera said:

 

If I remember rightly: <18 training is all that matters, 18-21 they're equally important then 21+ they've just got to get games. 

Not quite.

Training and playing in matches at a suitable level remain relevant regardless of age.  However, up until age 18 Training takes precedence for player development and after this age match time takes precedence.

@Keyzer Soze @kingjericho

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3 hours ago, herne79 said:

Not quite.

Training and playing in matches at a suitable level remain relevant regardless of age.  However, up until age 18 Training takes precedence for player development and after this age match time takes precedence.

@Keyzer Soze @kingjericho

Thanks. I asked this because I have a 2* CA player in my U19 team, and although he could already be useful in my first squad I loaned him to a team where he's doing very well. In terms of ability he hasn't developed that much and thay may also be due to the club's poor facilities.

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What are some good player traits for a DLF-S playing in a two striker system ? 

I want him to create and score goals. 

Thank you 

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Do physios only help prevent training injuries or also injuries that occur DURING a match?

I ask this because my youth players get plaqued by injuries. I don't have a u19 physio right now because there are no players in my youth team. They're all in my first team but i make them available for the u19s. I didn't think i needed a u19 physio because of that but maybe i do? My club is in huge debt so i try to save money where i can.

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55 minutes ago, hxp said:

Do physios only help prevent training injuries or also injuries that occur DURING a match?

I ask this because my youth players get plaqued by injuries. I don't have a u19 physio right now because there are no players in my youth team. They're all in my first team but i make them available for the u19s. I didn't think i needed a u19 physio because of that but maybe i do? My club is in huge debt so i try to save money where i can.

I can't answer your question. What I can say is that if you're in a ton of debt an under 19s physio or lack of one is going to be irrelevant. So hire one.

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Posted (edited)

Does anyone know why I can't set this player to Close Down More?

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I have seen in other tactics that it is possible to set a Mez(A) to Close Down More, but it isn't an option here.

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56 minutes ago, JK Galgreefe said:

Does anyone know why I can't set this player to Close Down More?

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I have seen in other tactics that it is possible to set a Mez(A) to Close Down More, but it isn't an option here.

Probably because you've already maxed out the closing down through your team instructions and/or your chosen mentality.

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I have a fairly conservative right back and a more adventurous left back. I also have two centre backs who would work well as a stopper/cover combination (without giving them the specific roles, their attributes, especially the difference in aggression give them this split naturally...)

Which way round would you play the centre backs? I’m thinking the more aggressive stopper on the left to come and attack the space left by the left-back, but I’m not sure...

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44 minutes ago, howard moon said:

I have a fairly conservative right back and a more adventurous left back. I also have two centre backs who would work well as a stopper/cover combination (without giving them the specific roles, their attributes, especially the difference in aggression give them this split naturally...)

Which way round would you play the centre backs? I’m thinking the more aggressive stopper on the left to come and attack the space left by the left-back, but I’m not sure...

It could be better to have the less aggressive defender on cover to give the FB time to recover. If that DC presses up too aggressively and gets beat, it's going to be a good chance for the other team. Whereas if he can just make the attacking player hesitate, it's possible a pacey FB could recover to the defensive line.

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I'm currently playing FMT and I've been having serious issues with "lazy" starts of games. We are constantly underperforming in the first half, meaning we almost always have to play catch up in the second.

Example:

Against Sporting away: 1 shot on goal in the first 45min. Sporting had 8. Scored twice. We have 10 shots in the second half and manage to grab an away goal.
Against Tottenham home: 0 shots in the first 45. Tottenham had 9. Scored once. We had 12 shots in the second half. Scored 1 but so did they.
Against West Brom home: 2 shots in the first 45. West Brom 6. We then managed 15 shots in the second half and a 2-0 win.

This goes on. Why are my players so poorly motivated in the beginning and how do I do anything about it without having the option of team talks?

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39 minutes ago, Karnack said:

I'm currently playing FMT and I've been having serious issues with "lazy" starts of games. We are constantly underperforming in the first half, meaning we almost always have to play catch up in the second.

Example:

Against Sporting away: 1 shot on goal in the first 45min. Sporting had 8. Scored twice. We have 10 shots in the second half and manage to grab an away goal.
Against Tottenham home: 0 shots in the first 45. Tottenham had 9. Scored once. We had 12 shots in the second half. Scored 1 but so did they.
Against West Brom home: 2 shots in the first 45. West Brom 6. We then managed 15 shots in the second half and a 2-0 win.

This goes on. Why are my players so poorly motivated in the beginning and how do I do anything about it without having the option of team talks?

What's your tactic? It's possible you have a cautious approach, so the players will play a safe style, only really feeling urgency in scoring when the team's already losing or the match is near the end.

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11 minutes ago, kingjericho said:

What's your tactic? It's possible you have a cautious approach, so the players will play a safe style, only really feeling urgency in scoring when the team's already losing or the match is near the end.

Control/Flexible

--------------Gk
FB(S) CD(D) CD(D) WB(S)
-------------DM(D)

----------CM(A) BBM(S)
W(S)------------------------IF(A)
---------------CF(S)

TIs:

Work ball into box

Shorter passing


       

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4 hours ago, Karnack said:

Control/Flexible

--------------Gk
FB(S) CD(D) CD(D) WB(S)
-------------DM(D)

----------CM(A) BBM(S)
W(S)------------------------IF(A)
---------------CF(S)

TIs:

Work ball into box

Shorter passing     

It seems balanced. My best advice would be to watch the entire first 10/15 minutes and see exactly what's going on. You can also experiment different closing down/defensive line options to see if the team presses more aggressively.

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Young guns in my EPL team >  coach says he/they are currently Championship standard.  Do I loan them out to ECL teams or bring 'em into my EPL squad now?  (Down in my regular haunt, the LLMs this doesn't happen.   They generally respond better by at home in the senior squad.)

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4 hours ago, Mactier said:

Young guns in my EPL team >  coach says he/they are currently Championship standard.  Do I loan them out to ECL teams or bring 'em into my EPL squad now?  (Down in my regular haunt, the LLMs this doesn't happen.   They generally respond better by at home in the senior squad.)

I find the coach report is pretty good for which league to lend them out to, yes.

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Stupid question.In regard to scouting if you leave it to your head scout to make assignments can you still go in and set individual assignments? As in will the head scout override your assignment?

With big scouting teams I don't want to set each individual assignment but may want something specific from time to time.

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9 minutes ago, TheGrahamF said:

Stupid question.In regard to scouting if you leave it to your head scout to make assignments can you still go in and set individual assignments? As in will the head scout override your assignment?

With big scouting teams I don't want to set each individual assignment but may want something specific from time to time.

Probably best off asking that in the General Discussion forum.  This thread is for Tactics and Training questions so you'll get more responses and ideas in the other forum :thup:.

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Does anyone have any suggestions on how to train to get my forwards' Teamwork and Work Rate up? I'm playing Rashidi's asymetric Liverpool tactic with Lyon and although Lisandro Lopez (15 in both attributes) is doing well in the Firmino role, he's a finite resource at this point and I'm concerned that none of my wonderkids have higher than 11 in those two attributes, which I think will be very important to replicate the sort of selfless forward play of Firmino (I also plan to train the correct PPMs). I've never seen noticeable gains in these attributes before so I'm hoping someone can help me with that. 

EDITED: Also is it possible to train Natural Fitness? When you train Segundo Volante or BBM it highlights the attribute but I can't recall ever seeing the attribute increase.

Edited by zlatanera

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Tutoring\reqruirtment is the main way for bringging up Teamwork\Work Rate. Even then it's never really been an atribute that's gone more than +4 for me tutoring.

In my current Lower league save, I set filters to recruit for this, as I lacked Agression, Work Rate, Team work, and Pace in Defence

 I do fine\warn players for a rating under 6.1, this can increase workrate, but it's not exactly the ideal way to train work rate.

Natural fitness is another that goes up maybe 2-4 over a career for me, but I've never been able to train it directly.

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31 minutes ago, plcarlos said:

Tutoring\reqruirtment is the main way for bringging up Teamwork\Work Rate. Even then it's never really been an atribute that's gone more than +4 for me tutoring.

In my current Lower league save, I set filters to recruit for this, as I lacked Agression, Work Rate, Team work, and Pace in Defence

 I do fine\warn players for a rating under 6.1, this can increase workrate, but it's not exactly the ideal way to train work rate.

Natural fitness is another that goes up maybe 2-4 over a career for me, but I've never been able to train it directly.

Tutoring has no impact on Teamwork or Workrate.  If you've seen either of those attributes increase while a player is being tutored it's purely coincidental and will have increased due to other factors.

Tutoring alters Determination and other hidden attributes which affect player personalities and media handling skills.  It can also transfer PPMs.

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Hmm...does the role they play have an effect perhaps? i.e. training Memphis as a DF whilst playing him as an AP-Su and saw no increase in teamwork / work rate. Same with Maolida. None of the roles I use have both highlighted, just I'm trying to make someone play like Firmino so need them. 

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Does it matter if tutors are placed in the u23 squad? They will never play... Should they be in the same 'squad' as the tutees, be it main squad, u23 or u18s? Thanks

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Is there any way of telling what specific impact the 'Pass Into Space' team instruction has? 

I can't tell any difference looking at each player's instruction screen. For instance, a Defensive Forward has 'Less Risky Passes' regardless of whether the 'Pass Into Space' TI is there or not. Likewise, an Advanced Playmaker has 'More Risky Passes' either way.

Are you better off tailoring each player's instructions and actually having a clear indication of the changes you're making, or is there an advantage of the 'Pass Into Space' that I'm missing?

Thanks

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Using a back three, can it make sence to use your slowest center back in the middle as a DC-C? Or is it really a role for faster center backs? The reason I'm asking is because I'm using my faster center backs as DCL and DCR since they have to cover for the wingbacks but that leaves with a really slow defender to play in the middle. Since he's slow, I'm thinking that leaving him a bit behind our defensive line could help him be in a better position to chase opposition players ?

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