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what winds me up the most? Thanks for asking go on then...

I spend hours trawling these forums and reading up on supposed pairings and roles that compliment each other, then I have these two mates. One sends me a photo of his tactics in which he plays two (yes two) ball winning midfielders in centre mid (nothing else) and finishes 2nd in the first season with everton. My other friend has zero team instructions and 'standard' plays 4-2CMs-2AML/R-2st essentially a 4-2-4 and gets promoted with York into league one and batters teams. It seems that half the stuff written on this forum is a load of tosh!

It's harsh to say it's a load of tosh, but sometimes it does get confusing. I've also seen a guy winning the PL in the first season with Newcastle using two CWB in the back four, two BWM in midfield, two IF on attack, one AMC on attack and a poacher. On top of that, he used attacking mentality.

It goes pretty much against everything I've seen on the forums guides and it's really disheartening.

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what winds me up the most? Thanks for asking go on then...

I spend hours trawling these forums and reading up on supposed pairings and roles that compliment each other, then I have these two mates. One sends me a photo of his tactics in which he plays two (yes two) ball winning midfielders in centre mid (nothing else) and finishes 2nd in the first season with everton. My other friend has zero team instructions and 'standard' plays 4-2CMs-2AML/R-2st essentially a 4-2-4 and gets promoted with York into league one and batters teams. It seems that half the stuff written on this forum is a load of tosh!

Lower leagues is fine 4-2-4 can be great to use. Let's see him still hammer teams when he reaches a higher level though, then he's likely to get ripped apart easily when he faces teams who use space better and take their chances better. At lower levels aggressive tactics like the 4-2-4 work really well but less so at higher levels and requires certain types of players to pull it off.

Two BWM's can work fine too. Anything in FM can work. What is important to remember is the rest of the set up though.

What winds me up is people who read guides and think they are set in concrete and no room for anything else to work. Remember guides are just that guides and not set rules like you both seem to be taking them......

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If a player has peaked, should i put them on training another position? Atm i have a couple of 25-26 year olds who seem to be done growing and it would obviously help squad depth if i had more players that can play in multiple positions.

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Without opening a new thread, I'll try to get help here.

2yysilf.png

That's the setup.

The main problem I immediately noticed is right from the goal-kick. I set my GK to distribute to defenders. He does so, and soon as the ball gets to one of the CDs, the wingbacks storm forward to about half line. Regista drops deeper and then him and CDs pass to each other until one of them hoofs it up front, which usually results in lost possession. There is a huge gap between the defensive line and 4 players who stood around half line - wingbacks and both CMs.

Having "hold position" on wingbacks doesn't help, they still behave the same. Changing the DM to a role which doesn't drop back, like DM on support or defend, usually leaves him marked and then the result is the same; CDs pass to each other with no other passing option and then the hoofing ensues again.

What to do? How to move the ball up field reliably?

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Have you tried removing the shorter passing Team Instruction?

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Have you tried removing the shorter passing Team Instruction?

Yes, didn't help. It's mainly because the wingbacks immediately rush to the half line and remove themselves as passing option.

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Yes, didn't help. It's mainly because the wingbacks immediately rush to the half line and remove themselves as passing option.

Well if they are getting too ahead of play then what does logic tell you to do? Either make them support or move them back to FB positions and keep the role so they stay deeper. You've gave them attacking roles so when you get possession they are being aggressive in their approach and looking to move forward. So if that's not what you want then use either of those options.

You have to remember you use a regista which is a playmaker so he's more inclined to see the ball and pass it around. It could be a case that the playmaker you use doesn't have great decisions, creativity or teamwork to pick them out early enough if that's the case then he's probably staying on the ball longer than is needed as he can't see all available options and because of how you attack the regista may not be the role you need.

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Is there a way to stop my Goalkeeper from taking free kicks outside of his box?

Selected a specific taker? Depending on position of the free kick the Goalkeeper is a logical selection choice.

Without opening a new thread, I'll try to get help here.

2yysilf.png

That's the setup.

The main problem I immediately noticed is right from the goal-kick. I set my GK to distribute to defenders. He does so, and soon as the ball gets to one of the CDs, the wingbacks storm forward to about half line. Regista drops deeper and then him and CDs pass to each other until one of them hoofs it up front, which usually results in lost possession. There is a huge gap between the defensive line and 4 players who stood around half line - wingbacks and both CMs.

Having "hold position" on wingbacks doesn't help, they still behave the same. Changing the DM to a role which doesn't drop back, like DM on support or defend, usually leaves him marked and then the result is the same; CDs pass to each other with no other passing option and then the hoofing ensues again.

What to do? How to move the ball up field reliably?

Yes, didn't help. It's mainly because the wingbacks immediately rush to the half line and remove themselves as passing option.
Well if they are getting too ahead of play then what does logic tell you to do? Either make them support or move them back to FB positions and keep the role so they stay deeper. You've gave them attacking roles so when you get possession they are being aggressive in their approach and looking to move forward. So if that's not what you want then use either of those options.

You have to remember you use a regista which is a playmaker so he's more inclined to see the ball and pass it around. It could be a case that the playmaker you use doesn't have great decisions, creativity or teamwork to pick them out early enough if that's the case then he's probably staying on the ball longer than is needed as he can't see all available options and because of how you attack the regista may not be the role you need.

What Cleon said. Maybe vary a Support duty and an Attack duty on each wing back role? You can drop them into Defend Strata instead too so they start from deeper positions.

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Well if they are getting too ahead of play then what does logic tell you to do? Either make them support or move them back to FB positions and keep the role so they stay deeper. You've gave them attacking roles so when you get possession they are being aggressive in their approach and looking to move forward. So if that's not what you want then use either of those options.

You have to remember you use a regista which is a playmaker so he's more inclined to see the ball and pass it around. It could be a case that the playmaker you use doesn't have great decisions, creativity or teamwork to pick them out early enough if that's the case then he's probably staying on the ball longer than is needed as he can't see all available options and because of how you attack the regista may not be the role you need.

I've tried it, that's the thing. I've tried them as CWB and WB on attack and on support, on fullback positions and wingback positions. It just doesn't change a thing with the way they behave; once the GK passes to a defender, they both storm to the half line and stand there.

It's moment like this where I'm really put off FM, I see what's the tactical problem, but have no idea how to solve it and everything I try doesn't change a thing.

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Do you have a good ball playing defender that could help play the ball in ahead of the Wing Backs.

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Do you have a good ball playing defender that could help play the ball in ahead of the Wing Backs.

No, I don't.

My idea with this tactic is that the wingbacks don't storm forward until we move the ball out of defence. I wanted them to be involved in the initial build-up and then provide forward runs. This way they're both just waiting alongside central mids for the ball to get to them which is the opposite of what I want from them.

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Can you open up your own thread detailing your instructions, so we can give more in-depth help please? Thanks

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Can you open up your own thread detailing your instructions, so we can give more in-depth help please? Thanks

Done, thanks in advance.

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hey there,

is there a way to see what tactical set up one used in the previews match. just opened a save and i forgot which adjustments i made to my tactic before the last game.

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do do you defend? its impossible

What do do you mean? :brock:

Defending well is perfectly possibly and I've had several PL seasons with less than 0.5 goals conceded per match.

If you can demonstrate the system(s) you use, then we can help.

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What do do you mean? :brock:

Defending well is perfectly possibly and I've had several PL seasons with less than 0.5 goals conceded per match.

If you can demonstrate the system(s) you use, then we can help.

ha ha

im just having a meltdown in a Gladbach save.

Im starting over once more to see if i can get it going. will get some screens up for suggested settings as ive spent an extraordinary amount of hours trying to get it right this week with no joy.

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Been looking at defensive set ups as have started a new game with a few tweaks to the editor and came across the Nike defence. Not sure it's still a viable option in FM14 but I have a question on it. The set up I looked at is this :

FB A..........CD X...........LD C...........FB D

In a friendly I tried this in 451 (433) with a DLP D just in front and it seemed to work quite well.

However looking at it would a stopper behind an attacking full back be a dangerous move? In some ways I am thinking a covering CD would be better although you could argue that they would then be too far apart. So would this potentially work?

FB A..........LD or CD C...........LD or CD X or D...........FB D or S

Also would a DLP D or an AM be better in front?

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The idea of a Stopper behind a more advanced wing back is that he helps to close the space the wing back leaves.

By whacking a Cover CD there, it adds to the gap and with the way that passes into that channel work in FM14 go, that would be pretty dangerous.

The DLP / AM conundrum is entirely down to what you want the player to do. A tactic is all about how combinations of players work together.

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The idea of a Stopper behind a more advanced wing back is that he helps to close the space the wing back leaves.

By whacking a Cover CD there, it adds to the gap and with the way that passes into that channel work in FM14 go, that would be pretty dangerous.

The DLP / AM conundrum is entirely down to what you want the player to do. A tactic is all about how combinations of players work together.

Must confess the goal I conceded came from down the left hand side. I half thought a cover CB could sweep up whereas if a stopper misses the ball the gap is there anyway behind the stopper. Swings and roundabouts I guess. Wondering how a half back would perform in the DM slot. If the Stopper engages to cover the FB/WB A would the Half Back slot back to cover the Stopper? Not sure if the ME is that advanced as yet.... It's the overpowered diagonal balls that are the biggest headache IMO. Had some success with a defensive strategy with full backs closing down less but it wasn't perfect. Ideally I would love to get the forward players pressing high but the defensive unit just sitting but it's tough to do I find. Even with "hassle opponents" and "close down more" pressing is still very passive in the ME.

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hey there,

is there a way to see what tactical set up one used in the previews match. just opened a save and i forgot which adjustments i made to my tactic before the last game.

does anyone know?!

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None that I know of. What works in 1 match doesn't automatically work for the next match though.

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yea i know but i used to always tweek my tactic to fit the opposition formation, and after vacation i did forget the successfull tweeks i made and now i want to check how did i face a 4-4-2 for example.

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Making notes somewhere helps quite a few people. Might help you remember more in future possibly?

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Your passing style changes by inverting, so on a more offensive system your attackers pass more direct, they pass shorter on a more defensive strategy. This is inverted for defenders. The instruction is same, it is just inverted.

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I've got a question regarding players overall happiness during training.

If the players are unhappy with their training schedule will that have some sort of impact on their training? Like slower development progress etc.

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I've got a question regarding players overall happiness during training.

If the players are unhappy with their training schedule will that have some sort of impact on their training? Like slower development progress etc.

No not really.

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Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find it after a quick glance through.

Does anyone know if there is a way of finding out training performances for the whole squad on one page? So you can compare them.

On the home page, the Training Performance widget is perfect, but it only shows the top 5/6 players. Is there anyway of seeing them all in a list?

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What does the Attacking Midfielder role mean? I'm confused about how the role works; is it similar to a Center Midfielder role, only higher up the pitch? Additionally will the CMs still run into the space in and around the opponents box, or will it stay back and the CMa does this? Thanks in advance.

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What does the Attacking Midfielder role mean? I'm confused about how the role works; is it similar to a Center Midfielder role, only higher up the pitch? Additionally will the CMs still run into the space in and around the opponents box, or will it stay back and the CMa does this? Thanks in advance.

In defence, an Attacking Midfielder positions himself between the midfield line and the forward line. His responsibilities there are to pressure the opposition's holding midfielders and offer a close outlet for a forward pass when deeper players win possession. His behaviour in attack will largely be determined by the role and duty given.

In attack, Central Midfielders on a support or attack duty will move into advanced positions as Attacking Midfielders do, though their specific on and off the ball behaviours will be determined by role. The Central Midfielder (Support) and Attacking Midfielder (Support) are fairly similar while the Attacking Midfielder (Attack) has a greater tendency to dribble than a Central Midfielder (Attack).

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Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find it after a quick glance through.

Does anyone know if there is a way of finding out training performances for the whole squad on one page? So you can compare them.

On the home page, the Training Performance widget is perfect, but it only shows the top 5/6 players. Is there anyway of seeing them all in a list?

It sounds like:

Training -> Individual

is what you're looking for

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In defence, an Attacking Midfielder positions himself between the midfield line and the forward line. His responsibilities there are to pressure the opposition's holding midfielders and offer a close outlet for a forward pass when deeper players win possession. His behaviour in attack will largely be determined by the role and duty given.

In attack, Central Midfielders on a support or attack duty will move into advanced positions as Attacking Midfielders do, though their specific on and off the ball behaviours will be determined by role. The Central Midfielder (Support) and Attacking Midfielder (Support) are fairly similar while the Attacking Midfielder (Attack) has a greater tendency to dribble than a Central Midfielder (Attack).

If I'm not mistaken Iam is asking what the roles do not the position so AM attack not Adv PM or Treq and CM Supp/Att not DPL or B2B

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If I'm not mistaken Iam is asking what the roles do not the position so AM attack not Adv PM or Treq and CM Supp/Att not DPL or B2B

Ah, ok.

In that case, the generic Attacking Midfielder and Central Midfielder roles are versatile roles that are supposed to do a bit of everything while the more specialised roles are intended to carry out more specific tasks.

The main thing that distinguishes the generic roles from the specialist playmaker roles are a greater tendency to shoot, a slightly lower level of creative freedom and the fact that their teammates won't prioritise funneling the ball to them in build-up. Basically, you would want to use the generic roles when you want creative and goal-scoring responsibilities spread more equally throughout the team as opposed to having a more strictly structured build-up pattern where one player is expected to almost always be the playmaker and another player is expected to almost always be the target in the box.

Going forward, both generic roles are fairly similar to one another, though as noted above, the AM-a has a greater tendency to dribble and the Attacking Midfielder will generally positioned further up the pitch when the ball is won.

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i read that in fm12 it is possible to export custom highlights, is this feature still available in fm14 or can i just upload goals in this version?

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i read that in fm12 it is possible to export custom highlights, is this feature still available in fm14 or can i just upload goals in this version?

You can do both still.

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ok i just found the way, its by recording when viewing highlights right? but now i can't export or upload any clips. is there anything i have to set up in the preferences to do so?

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You have to link your Youtube account in the preferences of FM to be able to upload it.

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ok sorry to keep this going but it keeps telling me that its unable to log in due to incorrect login data, but that is not true. im starting to feel a bit stupid at this point :D

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ok sorry to keep this going but it keeps telling me that its unable to log in due to incorrect login data, but that is not true. im starting to feel a bit stupid at this point :D

You'd be best getting help in the General Discussion section of the forums as this is the tactics and training section so all threads in this part are for those topics. In the General Discussion section of the forums you'll get more specific help from those more in the know about your issues :)

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i know it takes teams a while to become familiar with new tactics.

if say a team has a massive influx of new players does it take time for them to gel together or is it a case of once they are fully comfortable with the tactic that's that?

where can i find out my teams "chemistry"?

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i know it takes teams a while to become familiar with new tactics.

if say a team has a massive influx of new players does it take time for them to gel together or is it a case of once they are fully comfortable with the tactic that's that?

where can i find out my teams "chemistry"?

Go to your staff page and select your assistant coach, and go to "Reports" and then "Pep Talk Feedback" and he'll tell you the team's current level of understanding.

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For attack duty: "Cut Inside," "Cross Less"

For support duty: "Cut Inside," "Cross Less," "Shoot Less"

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Is it just me who finds the 'inside forward' role one of the most frustrating?

He acts more like an inverted winger rather than what I actually imagine. Time & time again, I see my inside forward running towards the byline rather than coming inside and linking up with my forward & central midfielders.

I've actually found at times that a Winger - Attack does what I want better & that shouldn't be the case.

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There's not really an official definition of "Inside Forward," so it's up for debate. Though personally, I agree with you, and I would like to see two distinct roles (or three, if you want an inside midfielder for MLR as well) with different positioning in the early phases of build-up.

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I could be very wrong with my thinking here but, I was just thinking about a thread I read about maybe trying unusual things to get what you want & this lead me to this..

Set up in a 4-3-3 (sort of)

GK: Sweeper Keeper - Support

DR: Wing Back - Support

CB: Central Defender - Defend

CB: Central Defender - Defend

DL: Complete Wing Back - Attack

DM: Defensive Midfielder - Defend

CM: Deep Lying Playmaker - Support

CM: Advanced Playmaker - Attack

AMR: Winger - Attack

STC: Deep Lying Forward - Support

STCL: Advanced Forward - Attack*

*The idea being that the advanced forward is set to man mark the oppositions full back in order to draw him wide.

Do you think this could work?

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Yes, it can work, though the problem with using man marking to create interpositional roles like this is is that you're effectively a man down in terms of your zonal defence (and this applies to people who use this method to create interiores and "the Lahm role" as well). The "wide" forward will be dragged out too wide by the opposing fullback and not tuck in appropriately when the man he's marking is on the weak side of the pitch. I don't know how much this will really matter for you and the style you're looking to implement here, but IRL, this would undermine one of the principle advantages of a zonal 4-3-3 (that being, its ability to pressure the back line).

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I would need your help in adjusting my corner-defending settings as I concede far too many goals that way. All comment and tips are really appreciated!

I play 3-5-2 (3-3-2-2 actually)

My 3 defenders are set to man-mark.

One wing-back is on near post, the other is set to defend the 6-yard box.

DMC and one of the MC are set to "go back".

The other MC is at the edge of area.

One of strikers closes down the corner, the other is staying forward.

Majority of the goals I concede is a cross on near post and an unmarked/badly marked player scores.

Thank you in advance guys!

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