Quickfire Questions and Answers Thread (Tactic and Training Questions Only)

[Bigpapa42]

Are there other factors to the success of positionally retraining a player besides playing time, training, and the hidden Versatility skill? I have a newgen winger that I've been trying to retrain to a new position since the start of the save (June). He is 17 (started as a 16 year old), has bags of potential, and has decent starting skills. But I use a narrow formation and since I already have a great rightback prospect, I figure he would make a reasonable support striker. So I had his training to be Striker from the start. He played matches as a striker, though the U18 managers put him in other positions at times. I did have him learn a PPM, which may have impacted his positional change process. But I'm now into January and found it odd he's still not rated at all to play Striker. So I looked.... Still at 1 for positional familiarity for Striker. So he hasn't gained anything at all almost 9 months. His Versatility is 12. I'm probably going to give up on using him as a striker and make him a backup rightback.... but the same thing might happen. Any particular reasons he wouldn't gain anything toward learning the new position? 

[FMWolf]

@Bigpapa42 He doesn't need to be natural at the position in order to play there. As long as you feel he has the attributes you want from your supporting striker, then use him as a support striker. Eventually his familiarity will go up, but don't worry about it to much

[Bigpapa42]

8 minutes ago, FMWolf said:

@Bigpapa42 He doesn't need to be natural at the position in order to play there. As long as you feel he has the attributes you want from your supporting striker, then use him as a support striker. Eventually his familiarity will go up, but don't worry about it to much

Yeah, that is typically would I would do. Just a slightly odd situation this time. He doesn't have ideal starting attributes for ANY position. He's also not good enough to feature regularly for the first team. So my hope was that he would he would gain a bit of positional familiarity, so the U18 manager would play him there instead of literally all over the pitch. I switched him to training as a rightback a few weeks ago in-game and his positional familiarity has gone from 1 to 2 without actually playing there. Strange that it didn't happen at striker but did already at rightback. I don't think his skills suit RB any better than support striker, really. 

[jc577]

Can a fast transition style work with a big team?

[jc577]

Can a fast transition style work with a big team?

[herne79]

23 minutes ago, jc577 said:

Can a fast transition style work with a big team?

Of course.  Which club you happen to pick is virtually irrelevant. 

It's having the right players and balancing the tactical system which is the important bit.  Are the players at the club capable of playing in such a manner?  Yes - set up the system.  No - compromise the system until you can bring in the players.

[jc577]

23 minutes ago, herne79 said:

Of course.  Which club you happen to pick is virtually irrelevant. 

It's having the right players and balancing the tactical system which is the important bit.  Are the players at the club capable of playing in such a manner?  Yes - set up the system.  No - compromise the system until you can bring in the players.

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

I thought it was hinged upon having space in-behind the opposition which is less likely when playing as a big team. 

Are top heavy systems particularly suited to this playing style? Or could it work in a 4-4-1-1 for example?

[Vali184]

When do you use tighter marking TI/PI? When do you use it with close down more/much more? Pros and cons? 

Edited September 24, 2017 by Vali184

[mikcheck]

Hi.

As you guys know, there is 9 training categories but the board only allow me to have 7 coaches after i asked them to increase their number. I always use 1 coach for each category, so 2 categories now with no coach.

I'm sure this already happen to some of you, do you have any tip? Tks.

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by mikcheck

[HUNT3R]

10 minutes ago, mikcheck said:

Hi.

As you guys know, there is 9 training categories but the board only allow me to have 7 coaches after i asked them to increase their number. I always use 1 coach for each category, so 2 categories now with no coach.

I'm sure this already happen to some of you, do you have any tip? Tks.

 

Give 2 of your coaches 2 categories each. I'm not sure what you're asking because the solution is obvious. There's not much else you can do - you don't have enough coaches to give them all only on category to focus on.

[herne79]

55 minutes ago, mikcheck said:

Hi.

As you guys know, there is 9 training categories but the board only allow me to have 7 coaches after i asked them to increase their number. I always use 1 coach for each category, so 2 categories now with no coach.

I'm sure this already happen to some of you, do you have any tip? Tks.

 

 

43 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

Give 2 of your coaches 2 categories each. I'm not sure what you're asking because the solution is obvious. There's not much else you can do - you don't have enough coaches to give them all only on category to focus on.

Just to add, 7 coaches, 9 categories.

You are not included in the coaches allowance, neither is your assistant manager.  So there's two more.  Also, if you are managing a club where your reserves share facilities with your senior squad then the reserves manager, ass. manager and all reserve team coaches can also be used to help train the senior squad.

[HUNT3R]

Even better then!

[bosque]

Later in the season after struggling a lot with a 442 I changed to a 4141, trying to stop the losing streak. I won 4 games in a roll without conceding even once. That is good but I want my DLF (S) to be my finisher because his attributes are more like as a goalscorer than as a creator. What duty/role changes can I do so he becomes the main focus of my attacks without losing defence balance?

Edited September 27, 2017 by bosque

[Joey Numbaz]

If you set your own scouting assignments do you need a Chief Scout? Is this role only cosmetic otherwise? Does it matter who you put there if you set your own assignments in terms of how he's rated? Does it matter if he's local to the country of your club?

[jc577]

How can I instruct my team to build up play from deeper positions? (I'm pretty sure this is wrong) but would using a deeper defensive line help?

[jc577]

4 hours ago, bosque said:

Later in the season after struggling a lot with a 442 I changed to a 4141, trying to stop the losing streak. I won 4 games in a roll without conceding even once. That is good but I want my DLF (S) to be my finisher because his attributes are more like as a goalscorer than as a creator. What duty/role changes can I do so he becomes the main focus of my attacks without losing defence balance?

If he's more of a finisher than a creator i'd suggest using a formation with an AM behind him so he can focus on scoring. 

[markus_aurelius]

can I let my ass. manager build my set pieces? 
I just don't understand anything about these.

[roggiotis]

i have a full back who has player traits Knocks Ball Past Opponent and stays back at all times, isn't that conflict with each other ?

[HUNT3R]

34 minutes ago, roggiotis said:

i have a full back who has player traits Knocks Ball Past Opponent and stays back at all times, isn't that conflict with each other ?

Knocks Ball Past Opponent is what the player will do if he has the ball while the other is movement related, so they're completely separate things.

[MBarbaric]

43 minutes ago, roggiotis said:

i have a full back who has player traits Knocks Ball Past Opponent and stays back at all times, isn't that conflict with each other ?

let's say e just won't have to use it very often  especially if you leave him on D duty.

[RTHerringbone]

On 24/09/2017 at 19:35, Vali184 said:

When do you use tighter marking TI/PI? When do you use it with close down more/much more? Pros and cons? 

Tighter marking kicks in when defending set pieces and general defensive situations. It has no relationship with closing down so there are no pros or cons to combining these TIs. 

[wkdsoul]

If i play one winger, is there anyway to get him to swap sides of the pitch during the game without another player there to swap? any work around or would i have to do it manually? 

[gunnersguy]

Does the player trait "Gets forward whenever possible" actually have any effect on players playing at center back? For example David Luiz has that trait and in my save seems to behave in the same manner as a player without it playing at center back. 

Many thanks 

[herne79]

5 hours ago, gunnersguy said:

Does the player trait "Gets forward whenever possible" actually have any effect on players playing at center back? For example David Luiz has that trait and in my save seems to behave in the same manner as a player without it playing at center back. 

Many thanks 

No.

[jukilo]

Hey guys!

If you wanted to build a DNA based on a successful Mourinho team which atributes do you choose? I guess none of the technical (at least not for the entire team) but then almost all of the mentals makes sense. I'd say agression, bravery, composure, concentration, determination,, team work, work rate. What do you think?

I didn't want to open a thread based solely on this question but if this isn't the thread tell me. 

[Priboemi]

Hello, I don't know if this has been asked before or explained somewhere, but How do you defend in FM17? I mean how do you set the TIs, PIs, etc to "manipulate" the opponent so that we can defend their attack better.

Let's say we play with 4132 (with 3 CMs in the middle), after looking at the FBs the LB has better defensive attribute then the RB, so if possible we'd like the opponent to attack only from the center or from our left side at worst.

Basically I need an explanation of how to defend in FM. It's quite frustrating that my team dominates the game, creating a lot of clear cut chances (goals are not consistent though), but get countered with simple counter attack especially in the last minute which throws my lead. 

 

Fyi, I played in lower league in Indonesia.

Sorry for my bad English 

[Armistice]

Hi I've got a question regarding Complete Forward. He's got Roam from Position PI locked in and I'm wondering if he drifts around looking for space to receive and pass the ball, will he drag a defender or two with him along? Or he can be employed to overload other areas on the pitch? I'm a bit confused so any info on this could be useful.

Thanks.

[Rashidi]

If you look at him he's a bit of a jack of all trades, so he can overload,  but a CF needs a high CA as well. So you need someone who has a good dose of current ability as well as a good spread in attributes. And don't forget, he works within a team, so if doesn't get enough service or support then he is just going to get isolated.

[Armistice]

11 minutes ago, Rashidi said:

If you look at him he's a bit of a jack of all trades, so he can overload,  but a CF needs a high CA as well. So you need someone who has a good dose of current ability as well as a good spread in attributes. And don't forget, he works within a team, so if doesn't get enough service or support then he is just going to get isolated.

Okay but would you deploy him if for example, you'd look to drag a defender out of position so that the space can be exploited by another player?

[mikcheck]

Hi. 

An AP with attack duty in AMC position still  a supporting player, or am I wrong? The difference between the attack and support duty is that the attack has little higher mentality and runs with the ball more.

For example if i have an AP on attack behind an Advanced Forward, he still support him?

Thanks

Edited October 8, 2017 by mikcheck

[Dr. Hook]

1 hour ago, mikcheck said:

Hi. 

An AP with attack duty in AMC position still  a supporting player, or am I wrong? The difference between the attack and support duty is that the attack has little higher mentality and runs with the ball more.

For example if i have an AP on attack behind an Advanced Forward, he still support him?

Thanks

Ya he will, as the AP even on attack is not one to regularly get into the scoring areas and shoot. He will be looking to distribute the ball from a little higher up the pitch than the support version so he can get pretty advanced, In theory he can work fine with the CF, but sometimes you never know until you try it as so much depends on their attributes, other supporting players,  the defending players/system, match context, etc. 

[Vali184]

I have a question that's not related to tactics. <SNIP>

 

 

[HUNT3R]

10 minutes ago, Vali184 said:

I have a question that's not related to tactics. <SNIP>

 

 

Please ask in General Discussion. As the thread clearly states, this is for tactics and training related questions.

[Vali184]

4 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

Please ask in General Discussion. As the thread clearly states, this is for tactics and training related questions.

Well I thought that it's better to just post here instead of creating a new thread just for this question.

[mikcheck]

4 hours ago, Dr. Hook said:

Ya he will, as the AP even on attack is not one to regularly get into the scoring areas and shoot. He will be looking to distribute the ball from a little higher up the pitch than the support version so he can get pretty advanced, In theory he can work fine with the CF, but sometimes you never know until you try it as so much depends on their attributes, other supporting players,  the defending players/system, match context, etc. 

Thanks

[Armistice]

6 hours ago, Dr. Hook said:

Ya he will, as the AP even on attack is not one to regularly get into the scoring areas and shoot. He will be looking to distribute the ball from a little higher up the pitch than the support version so he can get pretty advanced, In theory he can work fine with the CF, but sometimes you never know until you try it as so much depends on their attributes, other supporting players,  the defending players/system, match context, etc. 

Hmm what about the other two playmaker roles, Enganche and Treq? Are they more goal oriented than an AP (A)?

[herne79]

38 minutes ago, Armistice said:

Hmm what about the other two playmaker roles, Enganche and Treq? Are they more goal oriented than an AP (A)?

Take a look at the default Player Instructions for the roles, they pretty much tell you what the differences are.

[Armistice]

1 hour ago, herne79 said:

Take a look at the default Player Instructions for the roles, they pretty much tell you what the differences are.

I get your point but I was refering solely if there's a distinction between playmaker roles with attack duty regarding their goal scoring appetite. I am not sure PIs will tell me that.

[herne79]

6 minutes ago, Armistice said:

I get your point but I was refering solely if there's a distinction between playmaker roles with attack duty regarding their goal scoring appetite. I am not sure PIs will tell me that.

Again, read the PIs of those 3 roles.

[baggi0]

Which factors influence if a new signing is fast familiair (or slow) with the new team tactic?

[bosque]

How do I know if my midfield is being a good screen for the defence?

[Bunkerossian]

Is there any way to have U23 training be separated from the main team training? Whenever I want to edit training workload for the main team, U23 staff also shows up. It's only happening to me with Swansea.

[hxp]

In the team training screen what does "main focus" and intensity level actually do? I always thought that if you change the focus and intensity for "this week" then it will overwrite the main focus and intensity but today i switched around the main focus intensity level by accident and noticed that it affected the overall workload even though i had manually set the intensity for this week.

Does this mean the main focus and intensity is still in effect and the "this week" focus and intensity just adds additional training on top?

edit: i think i figured it out. It changed work load because i hadn't set the full 3 week training shedule (only 2 weeks of 3). Still i always thought the work load display in the bottom right shows the current work load, not the work load over 3 weeks, so confusing.

Edited October 11, 2017 by hxp

[hxp]

10 hours ago, Bunkerossian said:

Is there any way to have U23 training be separated from the main team training? Whenever I want to edit training workload for the main team, U23 staff also shows up. It's only happening to me with Swansea.

That's because the U23 shares the same training facilities and coaches with your main team.

[MHovel]

@Seb Wassell Please can you or any mod who have the knowledge about this specific info, can you confirm if that's is true?

At the moment, when searching for senior coaches I tend to add the man management filter.

I want to make sure if this specific info is true? does man management affect the quality of training?

[Seb Wassell]

17 minutes ago, MHovel said:

@Seb Wassell Please can you or any mod who have the knowledge about this specific info, can you confirm if that's is true?

At the moment, when searching for senior coaches I tend to add the man management filter.

I want to make sure if this specific info is true? does man management affect the quality of training?

That Man Management bit isn't true.

[MHovel]

1 minute ago, Seb Wassell said:

That Man Management bit isn't true.

Thank you very much for the response, that was the guide I was using which is the most easy to find in the net back than.

Thank you for clarifying this.

[Jessan]

Quick question about the midfield setup in a 4312.  My striker partnership is an AF with a DLF and my midfield is DLPsu/CMde/BBMsu, my question is should I have the BBM on the side of the DLF so he can make runs past him while the DLF holds up the ball or should I put him on the side of the AF so that the AF has an extra player in support since the AF will be pushing the opposing teams Dline with the BBM then making runs behind him?  Does the answer change if I swith my DLF with a F9?

[herne79]

8 hours ago, Jessan said:

Quick question about the midfield setup in a 4312.  My striker partnership is an AF with a DLF and my midfield is DLPsu/CMde/BBMsu, my question is should I have the BBM on the side of the DLF so he can make runs past him while the DLF holds up the ball or should I put him on the side of the AF so that the AF has an extra player in support since the AF will be pushing the opposing teams Dline with the BBM then making runs behind him?  Does the answer change if I swith my DLF with a F9?

Either way can work for the reasons you already mention.  The answer is whatever you find works best for you and your players.

[mikcheck]

Hello guys,

Can you please tell me your opinion on if these roles and duties are ok to work together within this tactic? Should the DMCR be a role who also goes forward like BWM (S) or a DM (S)?

Thanks!

 

Edited October 14, 2017 by mikcheck