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Both tactics from last night lost in final but a 451High&Dry tactic won tonight.

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Is the 451 tactic the best one so far? Can I test

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Oh man, so many tactics. All are plug and play? And which would you suggest for a low rep club that I plan on climbing the divisons with?

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Knap, have u tested this on any league teams?

Looks really promising...a cross between mr houghs & the grid tactic!

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Minor tweaks to grid to run a MC season. All Euro games are played using continue, only subs if an injury, and no friendlies (pure plug and play).

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Mr Knap, Mr Knap, Mr Knap...the 41113 grid tactic is absolutely fantastic from defensive to attack...

20 league games in and this is the table with Man United so far...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/englishpremierdivisionoi.png/

I jump from club to club every season so i've not built this team from scratch i've inherited it so to speak...and when I did United finish 8th in the previous season.

The Striker is the main source of goals without any question...Alberto Paloschi (not rooney)...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/albertopaloschioverview.png/

My question to you Mr Knap would be could you make a "stand off" version to the tactic? As I very much see this as the "press" tactic. It would help against playing big teams away.

Any how well done this is certainly up there with the best tactics of FM12!!!

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Try my setting changes to the grid system stand off tactic.

I'm only playing FM during a match so not looking at games.

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I'm running out of superlatives for this tactic now Knap...

I've been playing FM for many many many years going back to the Champ man era and i've never had a striker do this in a competitive game...(Letting alone a non-worldclass striker...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/manutdvwigansplitview.png/

Thats 9 GOALS IN ONE GAME!!!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/albertopaloschioverviewy.png/

Yes thats Alberto Paloschi scoring 52 goals in 19 club matches...

I'm speechless :-o !!!!!

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Just as I was writing the above blog Hernandez just got 7 GOALS IN ONE GAME...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/manutdvspartakmoscowspl.png/

HAPPY DAYS!!!!

Going to try it now with my beloved united!

This look almost exactly how united played in 2008 during our treble winning season. Except from one outer striker was an inside forward in the AML slot and the other outer striker was a wide midfielder in the MR slot.

Nonetheless its the closest ive seen to it for a long time on fm!

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Being a fellow red I know exactly where ur coming from!!! What I'd give to have ronaldo,tevez & Rooney all in the same side again...memories!!!

Jimmyrh94...this tactic is better than any that I've tried on patch 12.2.2! I'v seen ur screenshot from ur test with mr hough's tactic & the goal scoring stats are phenomenal!

I just find Knap's adaptation of the grid tactic to be better than the original itself!

I'm no tactician but I'm gonna try & make a stand off version of Knap's 41113 tactic!

Good luck brother!!!

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Being a fellow red I know exactly where ur coming from!!! What I'd give to have ronaldo,tevez & Rooney all in the same side again...memories!!!

Jimmyrh94...this tactic is better than any that I've tried on patch 12.2.2! I'v seen ur screenshot from ur test with mr hough's tactic & the goal scoring stats are phenomenal!

I just find Knap's adaptation of the grid tactic to be better than the original itself!

I'm no tactician but I'm gonna try & make a stand off version of Knap's 41113 tactic!

Good luck brother!!!

Haha glad i found another united fan, hello there fellow red:lol:

That team was by far the best in the world at the time, and undoubtedly ronaldo was the best player bar none- i still believe he is but ah well!

Going to try the 41113 in a test save first with united using the default team

Jones Ferdinand Vidic Evra

Carrick

Scholes

Rooney

Nani Hernandez Young

Thats seems balanced enough?

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It looks good on paper just not 100% sure that nani & young would work in them pisitions! I'm not at all saying they won't it just i'v only used strikers in them positions! They do play like wingers though so u should get a fair amount of assists from them!

Saying that ur main source for goals is without any shadow of any doubt is ur central striker!

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-ruudvanwarren, are there many goals from corners? Could you upload a screenshot? And how is the amc playing?

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The tactic does incorporate the corner routine (just like all good tactics that are around at the moment) but I have to say that the FC plays like the ultimate poacher! U can't just score that many goals from simply heading in corners! The right & left fullbacks chip in with a lot of assists too, they are set to cross from deep & they whip the ball into the box constantly!

What screenshots do u want to see mate?

Yeah the AMC get well involved too! When I took over at united they had Pastore & I bought James Rodriguez too both perform fantastically!

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It looks good on paper just not 100% sure that nani & young would work in them pisitions! I'm not at all saying they won't it just i'v only used strikers in them positions! They do play like wingers though so u should get a fair amount of assists from them!

Saying that ur main source for goals is without any shadow of any doubt is ur central striker!

I see, what is your team line-up?

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I'm not home at the mo so I'll post some screenshots later but my starting line up is:

De gea

Rafael/Srna - smalling/vidic jones/Wilson - kadlec/Robinson

Obi mikel/regen

Wistel/fletcher/rodwell

Pastore/Rodriguez

Ferrio/regen - paloschi/Hernandez - Rooney/sturridge

Hope that helps a little guys??

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I tend to retrain players to fit a tactic. Often with Spurs VDV is retrained as a forward.

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whats the 2 tactics you have loaded?

The 2 tactics I have loaded are knap's 41113 (I use attacking match prep always) & I've made a "stand off" version of the tactic taking the defensive tweaks from the original grid "stand off" tactic & employing them to knap's 41113!

First match away to Juventus I won 5-1 using the newly created "stand off" version! Not saying its a world beater but it's an encouraging start :)

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Right full season results using Knap's 41113 adaptation of the grid tactic...And I won everything I entered...

Premier League:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/englishpremierdivisionok.png/

Really disappointed with the 4 loses and 4 draws but considering where I took my beloved reds from I believe it's a cracking achievment. On the plus side both the amount of goals and obtaining the best defensive record speaks volumes to the satbility of this tactic.

FA Cup:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/manutdvchelseasplitview.png/

Europa League Final:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/manutdvhsvsplitview.png/

European Super Cup:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/europeansupercupovervie.png/

League Cup:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/manutdvswanseasplitview.png/

And Paloschi ended up with a cracking scoring record:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/albertopaloschioverview.png/

Cheers Knap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hey knap, what kind of strikers and central mids are needed for the 442 grid tactic?

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The tactic is in post 912

I put the tactic into my city career save- the one i uploaded screenshots in hough's thread using his tactic in the first season.

Can I ask, what do you do for team talks? Usually i leave this to assistant...

Also, how is the tactic working for you in your next season?

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Team talks...

Start of the match:

Always aggressive - I expect a win (regardless of opposition or home/away)

Half time:

If losing/drawing/or winning 2-0 or less I always go the agressive route

If winning 3-0 or more I always cautiously tell my players to guard against complacency (regardless of the score or opposition)

*any players that don't react or react negatively I always passionately tell them I have faith in them

*if a player is haing a good game with a rating of 7.6+ I tell them passionately that I'm very pleased with their performance

Full time:

If draw or lost I react aggressively & tell my team it's not good enough (sometimes I also use this if I'v only just scraped a win against a poor team i.e. 2-1 or 3-2)

If I win by a 2 goal margin I always passionately praise my players for a job well done

*if a player who has played well does not react I always tell them passionately that I was happy with their performance

Personally i always want to be in control of anything that can influence the game! I've never contemplated using my ass man for team talks as they're to crucial to my teams success!

As for how my save is doing in the 2nd season I'm a bit of a job whore and jump from club to club! I went from United to Barca for about 11 games :s & completely wiped the floor with everyone including a 10-0 home win against 3rd place Malaga...then 11 games in the Atletico Mardrid job came up...think they were about 12th in the league! I had a look at their side and thought I'd be able to do something with them and so far after about 15 games my only loss has been against Barca away (typical)!!!! This also included a 10-0 win against valladolid!

Just passed the jan transfer window and United had put Paloschi up for sale so I loaned him to Atl Mardrid now he's back to his old tricks again banging in goal after goal...think he's jealous of Falcao,ha!

Any how regardless this tactic is going from strength to strength!!! Try it fingers cossed you won't be disappointed!!!

Not at my laptop now so can't back this up with screen shots, but I will do soon!

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@Ruud

Cheers lad, you have helped me alot with tactics so far. Btw did you mean "losing/drawing/winning by 2 goals or less" and "winning by 3 goals or more"?

So which do you think is better...Knaps tactic or the original FMTN Grid? (although i will load both up into my match prep, just want to know which one to use as my main)

Also, pick a random team for me to manage please? Cant decide lol

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Morning Jimmy,

What I meant with the half-time team talks is that i.e. Just played a game At. Mardrid V Valencia, at half-time it was 2-1 to me but because the goal margin is just 1 I raosted my team for a poor showing. Even if it was 3-1 i'd agressively tell them it was a poor showing and i expect more because the goal margin is only 2. Now say for example it was 3-0 or 4-0 (which is a regular occurance with the Knap 41113 tactic) at half time i'd cautiously warning them against complacency. Is that ok geeeeezer?

They are both fantastic tactics and probably the best tactics out there for patch 12.2.2. But i'm leaning more towards Knap's adaptation because it incorrporates a AMC

This is when I took over At. Mardrid...the team had rock bottom morale...quite a few want away players:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/ligabbvaoverviewstagest.png/

Since I took over here are my fixtures and results:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/catlticomadridsadfixtur.png/

...And here are my 2 10-nil'ers I spoke about last night ***EDIT sorry didn't realise the Valladolid score came against Almeria and it was actually 10-1, I can live with that,haha:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/barcelonavmlagainformat.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/atmadridvalmerainformat.png/

As for what team to pick Jimmy...Give it a whirl with Chelski...I'd go for a top 3 of Sturridge - Lukaku - Torres (Although Torres would be scarey in the central position) Mata in the AMCL, Ramires/Lampard in midfield and Obi Mikel DMC...OR try it with AC Milan good midfield great attacking front 3 of Robinho - Zaltan - Pato...

The decision is yours...Good luck buddy!!!

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Sorry I didn't finish this bit off:

They are both fantastic tactics and probably the best tactics out there for patch 12.2.2. But i'm leaning more towards Knap's adaptation because it incorrporates a AMC and it still retains the team defensive structure. You could play an AMC in the original no problem but he wouldn't be sitting in his true position...hope that makes sense? Also I never scored the amount of goals with the original than I have with Knap's. The way the Fullbacks contribute in Knap's is fantastic...They constantly boombard the oppositions penalty box with crosses from deep...

All in all it's down to personal prefrence and I don't think you'd go wrong with either tactic...

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I've also created a so called "Stand off" tactic of Knap's 41113...all I did was use all the defensive man marking ethics of the original grid "stand off" tactic and put them into Kanp's 41113... So i used them in the following matches (I don't have a great team by any stretch of the imagination):

Chelsea Home Champions League 2nd round:

Game stats:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/atmadridvchelseasplitvi.png/

Players stats:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/atmadridvchelseastatspl.png/

Yes Yes Yes...Another hat-trick for Paloschi...

Real Mardrid Home:

Half Time:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/atmadridvrmadridsplitvi.png/

Full Time

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/atmadridvrmadridsplitvi.png/

Look at the amount of ccc's...

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Thanks, so much Ruud! Ideally, i want to play the game like you hopping from club to club and picking up trophies all over the world.

You have helped me so much so thanks alot!

Going to plug in both this and Tacktickzz Original for backup (I would put Hough's in, but although I like the football it plays I'm really not a fan of the 2 dm's)

I hope I can have as much success as you are having with it. One thing I will ask is, I know the dm has to be defensive and the AMCL attacking but how important is it for the cm to be defensive aswell? Could I get away with a well rounded player like lampard, Gerrard, Modric or even play an attacking midfielder at cm such as Kagawa, Pastore, or do they have to be defensive like the dm and be in the mould of Carrick, Mvilla?

Do you mind uploading your stand-off version aswell (you can use any filehosting website) ? And do you only use it for tough away games?

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I think the beauty of the 41113 tactic is that you can have any type of MC playing in that role...i'd probably choose an all-rounder for away games and a more attcking MC for home games...

Here's the "stand-off" 41113 of Knap's tactic (Hope i've done this right???):

http://www.filefactory.com/file/complete.php/5uwuhbd820n/

I use it for tough away games and if i'm a weaker side tough home games like in the screenshots above...

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I think the beauty of the 41113 tactic is that you can have any type of MC playing in that role...i'd probably choose an all-rounder for away games and a more attcking MC for home games...

Here's the "stand-off" 41113 of Knap's tactic (Hope i've done this right???):

http://www.filefactory.com/file/complete.php/5uwuhbd820n/

I use it for tough away games and if i'm a weaker side tough home games like in the screenshots above...

Yeh I love Tactikzz tactic. I had a look at how well you were doing with an AMC, so I changed Tactikzz's press and stand off tactics by moving MCL to AMCL and changing the tackling to easy and putting a forward arrow and now the tactic is even better. I am playing as Norwich. Its only been 6 games, lost to chelsea 2-1 in the first game, but i have won the rest of the 5 games beating Arsenal 4-3 at emirates and Man City 2-1 at home. Top of the table and I know re-ranking from Nov to March will affect my form a little bit but 1st place after 6 games with default norwich squad and having beaten arsenal and man city is pretty good

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I think the beauty of the 41113 tactic is that you can have any type of MC playing in that role...i'd probably choose an all-rounder for away games and a more attcking MC for home games...

Here's the "stand-off" 41113 of Knap's tactic (Hope i've done this right???):

http://www.filefactory.com/file/complete.php/5uwuhbd820n/

I use it for tough away games and if i'm a weaker side tough home games like in the screenshots above...

Thanks, that downloaded alright. Going to take over chelsea then as suggested- although Milan was tempting!

Ill probably line up like this:

Ivanovic-Luiz-Terry-Cole

-------Ramires---------

------Lampard--------

----------Mata------

New Player--Torres--Hazard

I think I have about 80 mil to spend, so I will probably get a more solid DM than ramires because he has the ppm "get forward whenever possible" and I will also buy a striker for the right side. Hopefully Hazard is okay for the left but he will need retraining in the striker position.

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Thanks, that downloaded alright. Going to take over chelsea then as suggested- although Milan was tempting!

Ill probably line up like this:

Ivanovic-Luiz-Terry-Cole

-------Ramires---------

------Lampard--------

----------Mata------

New Player--Torres--Hazard

I think I have about 80 mil to spend, so I will probably get a more solid DM than ramires because he has the ppm "get forward whenever possible" and I will also buy a striker for the right side. Hopefully Hazard is okay for the left but he will need retraining in the striker position.

I would buy a new DM, then push mata up to a wide striker, then push lampard up to AM and then put ramires in cm!! :)

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