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Poll on Steam activation

What do you feel about having to activate your FM12 through Steam?   345 members have voted

  1. 1. What do you feel about having to activate your FM12 through Steam?

    • I Hate It
      151
    • I Don't Care
      89
    • I like it
      105

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If I have to install Steam to play FM12 then I won't be buying it, no matter how immense it looks!

I play only FM12, I don't play any other games... Why the hell do I need an invasive, resource hogging, pos like Steam running as well?

Definitely the worst decision SI/Sega have ever made...

Steam = No thanks :thdn:

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I play only FM12, I don't play any other games... Why the hell do I need an invasive, resource hogging, pos like Steam running as well?

Steam uses up less memory than firefox or IE. It is ridiculous some of the myths on the internet about steam.

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Yes, erm I think you just did.

Erm, thanks.

Not sure in the point of a poll where everyone is told what to vote for beforehand - but whatever.

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I've been using Steam since 2004 and have 258 games on it. I'm sorry, I'll be saying yes :).

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I play only FM12, I don't play any other games... Why the hell do I need an invasive, resource hogging, pos like Steam running as well?

Because something with over 30 million accounts is a pos right? I haven't seen it take up more then 200k of ram, and unless your computer is God knows how old (in which case you should upgrade), then it won't even effect you to the slightest. The average computer nowadays has 4gb of ram, Steam is barely hogging any of that. I personally have 16GB of ram, I wish Steam used more so I could get a better use out of it :lol:.

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sorry i wont be buying fm again, i won't be forced to install third party software on my pc regardless if its harmless or not just to play fm

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Steam uses up less memory than firefox or IE. It is ridiculous some of the myths on the internet about steam.

Myth? So I haven't run it for two years plus on my laptop with FM09 then? Is that what you're saying?

This isn't a myth, my opinion is from BITTER experience... It's like Microsoft forcing everybody to have IE installed on their machine, it's wrong, it's illegal and it's immoral!

No, no, and THRICE NO! :mad:

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Myth? So I haven't run it for two years plus on my laptop with FM09 then? Is that what you're saying?

This isn't a myth, my opinion is from BITTER experience... It's like Microsoft forcing everybody to have IE installed on their machine, it's wrong, it's illegal and it's immoral!

No, no, and THRICE NO! :mad:

It's a myth its a resource hog. On the PC i'm on right now steam is using 29k of memory, firefox 250k. Its even using less than Outlook (49k).

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Last year FM11 was available with pre-loading which meant that as soon as the game came out, it was activated and ready to play.

Steam is also great for automatic patching and it's very easy to take screenshots, upload them to the Steam Cloud and then post them online - quicker than finding them and uploading to photobucket or elsewhere.

If there's one thing I don't like about it, it's not having the game case. But that's me being really picky.

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It's a myth its a resource hog. On the PC i'm on right now steam is using 29k of memory, firefox 250k. Its even using less than Outlook (49k).

Yes, well.. I can't give you any figures as I no longer own the laptop and I've vowed never again to let that POS anywhere near my hardware again... if I need to have it for FM, it also means that I won't buy buying that either..

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I play only FM12, I don't play any other games... Why the hell do I need an invasive, resource hogging, pos like Steam running as well?

its not a resource hog at all, you wouldnt even notice it was running in terms of resources.

My take on it is they have to do something, nothing else they have tried so far has really worked, they all had issues, steam is simple and easy to use and you can turn it offline if your bothered about your it being invasive, after you install the game it never has to be online again until they release a patch.

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Myth? So I haven't run it for two years plus on my laptop with FM09 then? Is that what you're saying?

This isn't a myth, my opinion is from BITTER experience... It's like Microsoft forcing everybody to have IE installed on their machine, it's wrong, it's illegal and it's immoral!

No, no, and THRICE NO! :mad:

I have run it since 2004 and haven't seen it go over 200k...

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Last year FM11 was available with pre-loading which meant that as soon as the game came out, it was activated and ready to play.

Steam is also great for automatic patching and it's very easy to take screenshots, upload them to the Steam Cloud and then post them online - quicker than finding them and uploading to photobucket or elsewhere.

If there's one thing I don't like about it, it's not having the game case. But that's me being really picky.

You need to install Steam even if you have the disc, now... in other words, to play FM12 you need to install steam - period!

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Erm, thanks.

Not sure in the point of a poll where everyone is told what to vote for beforehand - but whatever.

The title of the thread is not the poll. The title of the poll is the poll.

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The title of the thread is not the poll. The title of the poll is the poll.

You'd have to read the thread title before the seeing the poll.

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You need to install Steam even if you have the disc, now... in other words, to play FM12 you need to install steam - period!

You can thank piracy for that.

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I think SI or Sega need to post a blog about Steam and what it does, resources and to quash the misinformation people have.

Perhaps dedicate a day to answering questions on it or something?

People just don't seem to have a clue?

Steam is not a resource hog at all.

Why are people so against this? It won't make a difference to your user experience with the game at all.

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I think SI or Sega need to post a blog about Steam and what it does, resources and to quash the misinformation people have.

Perhaps dedicate a day to answering questions on it or something?

People just don't seem to have a clue?

Steam is not a resource hog at all.

Why are people so against this? It won't make a difference to your user experience with the game at all.

Eugene, they can paint it gold and give it away with flowers for all I care, nothing SI or Sega say or do will make me install Steam on my computer... NOTHING! So that's at least one copy of FM12 they won't be selling, innit?

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Ive been using steam for a few years now but that doesnt change my mind. I think its a bad idea to force the use of it irrelevant of system resources nor anti piracy.

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Eugene, they can paint it gold and give it away with flowers for all I care, nothing SI or Sega say or do will make me install Steam on my computer... NOTHING! So that's at least one copy of FM12 they won't be selling, innit?

i bet if they gave you £10,000 to install you would

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Why not though? What have you got against it? It's it just stubbornness?

It's a very small application program. They are trying to prevent piracy - which is farcical in itself, but they're trying.

Steam is free, it's lightweight, and it helps them prevent piracy (they hope).

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You can thank piracy for that.

No, you can thank SEGA. Steam doesn't stop piracy at all.

I use and love Steam btw, I just don't like its usual prices, but there are good deals form time to time.

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Steam isn't invasive at all. It's less invasive than the volume meter on your taskbar.

You can install FM on it, create a desktop shortcut, set Steam to offline mode once installed and close the window. You'll hardly notice that it's there.

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people are idiots though in general

i bet the same lot here saying no to steam as it's intrusive, download updates for firefox or IE weekly and have no idea if they are intrusive or not - but hey if porns available why the hell not!

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Steam isn't invasive at all. It's less invasive than the volume meter on your taskbar.

You can install FM on it, create a desktop shortcut, set Steam to offline mode once installed and close the window. You'll hardly notice that it's there.

I don't want it there, period! Ever! I don't care how many people defend the application, it is not something that is going to ever see my computer...

i bet if they gave you £10,000 to install you would

However, if they give me £10k to buy their £30 game I'd use some of it to buy an FM-Only computer that I used for nothing but FM with Steam in offline mode and nil internet connection!

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I already have steam but would be very pissed off at being forced to install their software if I didn’t want it.

A moronic decision to shaft genuine customers.

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Steam is fine, if people don't really want to buy the game because of it, so be it, sad, but it will be there loss. I also think it does cut down on piracy.

I remember people saying they would never play the game if it went 3D.

There is an urban myth surrounding Steam that actually had me believing it was an all invasive program and that it would do this, do that, impact on my privacy and so on. Then I installed it and never looked back.

It seems that PC games will all become a digital download in a few years, from what I read so there will not be the choice!

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No, you can thank SEGA. Steam doesn't stop piracy at all.

I use and love Steam btw, I just don't like its usual prices, but there are good deals form time to time.

45% of people in the UK who play FM pirate it - that's why they've taken the decision to activate by Steam. SEGA may have implemented the idea but it is down to piracy.

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However, if they give me £10k to buy their £30 game I'd use some of it to buy an FM-Only computer that I used for nothing but FM with Steam in offline mode and nil internet connection!

Then really you shouldn't say NEVER should you? :D

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Erm, thanks.

Not sure in the point of a poll where everyone is told what to vote for beforehand - but whatever.

General Discussion>Thread Title>Discuss.

You'd have to read the thread title before the seeing the poll.

Correct. Then you read the poll question and vote if you wish.

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people are idiots though in general

i bet the same lot here saying no to steam as it's intrusive, download updates for firefox or IE weekly and have no idea if they are intrusive or not - but hey if porns available why the hell not!

I'm an IT Administrator, so that's flattened your argument, I also don't use IE or FF, so there goes another bit... how many more useless attempts at defending Sega are you going to try? Just accept that Sega have dropped the proverbial bollock on this one, and we'll all move on (well I wont, looks like I'm playing FM11 for at least another year!)

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I don't want it there, period! Ever! I don't care how many people defend the application, it is not something that is going to ever see my computer...

However, if they give me £10k to buy their £30 game I'd use some of it to buy an FM-Only computer that I used for nothing but FM with Steam in offline mode and nil internet connection!

what exactly have you got on it being intrusive?

i've been using it 3 years, used all my credit cards, typed in my address in numerous locations, emails, personal details

yet i've never lost any money, recieved any emails from steam, got any letters from steam?

weird how some people get paranoid, get used to it mate its the new future for us, everytime you walk a public street you are being watched by cctv!

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what exactly have you got on it being intrusive?

i've been using it 3 years, used all my credit cards, typed in my address in numerous locations, emails, personal details

yet i've never lost any money, recieved any emails from steam, got any letters from steam?

this basically

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45% of people in the UK who play FM pirate it - that's why they've taken the decision to activate by Steam. SEGA may have implemented the idea but it is down to piracy.

I never would've thought it is because of the UK. I'm in that €50 "rest of Europe" region, but it is okay, since the game can be bought from elsewhere and only activated on Steam.

And I know Steam doesn't set prices, publishers do.

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people are idiots though in general

i bet the same lot here saying no to steam as it's intrusive, download updates for firefox or IE weekly and have no idea if they are intrusive or not - but hey if porns available why the hell not!

:thup:

Exactly - they have no idea if Steam is invasive or not.

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ive been using steam for a while now, its EASY to use, UNINTRUSIVE and makes my life easier (no more discs to lose/break) all these people that are moaning, can i ask, why are you moaning? its quite simple, Sega/SI have chosen to do this as they think its good business, moaning about this decision isnt going to change it, one or two people saying "im never buying FM again" isnt going to stop them from doing it, the only thing that will stop them doing it is if EVERYONE chooses not to buy FM12, which just isnt going to happen as there are MANY people who are happy with steam

(off topic i know but i have to wonder what free games steam are going to offer with FM12, the last two years have been pretty cool imho)

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The main problem is we have to intsall Steam to play the CD game. Why could SI or SEGA put a section on the SI website where you goto register your game no need for downloads and has for patches they are availabe to download from here when they come out anyway. Or are they planning on stopping doing that and you will only be able to get them through Steam aswell.

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Will Steam stop piracy? Obviously not, it's like saying implementing the death penalty will discourage people from committing murder, it'll still happen. If people are smart enough, they'll still break the law and pirate games like FM.

But what's so wrong about installing Steam on your system? It's not spyware. It won't even be noticeable when you play. For those anti-Steam people, stop being stubborn.

Welcome to the 21st Century lads. Some of your favourite PC games might be on Steam too in the future. Digital download games is gaining its place in the PC game market and although physical copies are still going to be available, but don't be surprised if more companies use these methods for 'anti-piracy' measures. F12011 is using GFWL.

So what are you gonna do if more of the games you play have something similar to this, stop gaming?

If you want proof for a pos invasive software, look no further than EA's Origin.

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People moaning about Steam 'prices' need to remember the game can still be purchased in shops for whatever retail price they charge, it's just you have to activate the game through Steam.

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Option number 1 for me. Simply because I like to have a freedom of choice and this decision is just limiting it and I don't lke it at all.

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If you do activate through Steam does that allow automatic updating or is that only if you buy through Steam?

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its never as simple as it sounds, I tried to install through steam on my kids laptop so when I went away I wouldnt have to take the disc and risk losing it, tried to play it offiline and I couldnt, and yes I ticked the little box to play ooffline through steam

I said last year that we'd eventually be forced to use steam and I've been proven right just didnt think it would happen this soon!

Now I know the argument of steam doesnt take up any memory and it doesnt slow down your computer etc etc, but I dont see why we should have to install a 3rd party software just so we can play a game, and as I've said I found the offline not to work properly, Idont want steam poping up everytime I want to go on the game

and as for people downloading the game illegally I think this system will only increase it, I myself wouldnt ever do that as I have all the previous game in cases and I like how I can look back at them all and also the excitement of going to a shop and buying the game (sad I know) but others wont want the hassel of steam and will look to get the game elsewhere and wheres theres a will theres a way!!!

Bad move SI/sega

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Will Steam stop piracy? Obviously not, it's like saying implementing the death penalty will discourage people from committing murder, it'll still happen. If people are smart enough, they'll still break the law and pirate games like FM.

But what's so wrong about installing Steam on your system? It's not spyware. It won't even be noticeable when you play. For those anti-Steam people, stop being stubborn.

Welcome to the 21st Century lads. Some of your favourite PC games might be on Steam too in the future. Digital download games is gaining its place in the PC game market and although physical copies are still going to be available, but don't be surprised if more companies use these methods for 'anti-piracy' measures. F12011 is using GFWL.

So what are you gonna do if more of the games you play have something similar to this, stop gaming?

If you want proof for a pos invasive software, look no further than EA's Origin.

You keep pointing us towards other games...

I only play FM, I don't want to play any other game, I don't care about any other game, I just want to play FM12 but I don't want Steam. To do 1, I need 2, therefore I won't be doing 1, it's really quite simple. I pay for a hard-copy of the game, I should be allowed to do whatever I choose with that game including choosing whether or not to install a piece of software that I won't use for anything else, ever again!

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Some things about Steam, that should be kept in reasonable discussion.

Steam is not a resource hog. Not for any computer that has more than 512Mb of Ram and a processor that is newer than a Pentium 3.

Offline mode is flaky at best (when it decides not to work, you can't play if you're away from internet connections.)

It does nothing against piracy. Deus Ex was cracked and available on line the same day as it was available on Steam.

It is a cloud based service. Ergo, it requires a login email and password. There are obvious security implications with this.

Steam customer support has no phone number, a one size fits all approach to problems, and a very slow rate of responding to tickets.

Making a user install third party software to run something that they've paid for is poor form, at best.

Steam makes updating games easier.

Adding steam into the mix adds an entire plethora of potential technical issues to running the game.

Steam collects and analyses user data, particularly type of games, hardware, and software installed.

Steam bombards you with pop up adverts when the client is opened, particularly when there is a sale.

Steam doesn't work for everybody.

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If you do activate through Steam does that allow automatic updating or is that only if you buy through Steam?

You will get the automatic updates if you buy a disc version and activate through steam too.

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I voted that "I hate it" which is a bit strong, but I'd certainly prefer that SEGA & SI be honest rather than hiding behind the piracy excuse, and users just should not be forced to install third party software for something that they have purchased.

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