Llew_Arshavin23 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 There's an Arsenal fan on 'You're On Sky Sports!' basically in tears over tonight and our recent form... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergkamp Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I would be surprised if Wenger considered Ramsay to be first choice in the midfield three all season. Sure, Wilshere is injured so that changes things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Wenger has never been under pressure like this before and he had all last summer to put everything right after such an astonishing collapse last season. He failed. Wenger said himself it wold be stupid to drop points in January because of not having full backs so he looked at bringing in cover. He failed. Wenger said it would be disasterous to finish outside the top four and vowed to do everything to avoid it. He. Has. Failed. Out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjerome Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Why do you say that out of interest? Call me a blind optimist (I am) but I think if we do miss out this year we'll be straight back next year.based on what? do you think rvp will stay if you don't at the very least make CL? and wenger will suddenly invest in all the positions needed? and what if chelsea and liverpool chuck a lot more money too (seems probable) and also try and bridge the gap upwards? don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you should sack wenger. i do believe he's made repeatedly the same mistakes (through inaction) but he more than deserves one season after this to make up for it but i just don't see how there won't be serious damage done to arsenal if they end 6th or below? who will arsenal be able to attract to improve matters? i think potentially there's a serious threat to arsenal's repute that will stunt you for longer - i'm sure liverpool would've loved to sign mata instead of downing or banega or whoever ahead of charlie adam but it's not quite so easy to bring players in when it looks like you're on a downward slope. which is exactly what it seems like it would be to me if you ended 6th or below. unless you expect 'the kids' to all come good next season all of a sudden? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 You would love for Wenger to leave now in February, lack of coaches available. Might as wait till June for anything to happen on that front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 You would love for Wenger to leave now in February, lack of coaches available. Might as wait till June for anything to happen on that front I love it how whenever someone suggests a change at management level there is always someone else to chime in with the predictable "there's no one else available" or "name one person that could do it better" line. Almost every manager is available if you throw money at them. Mourinho will be available in the summer. And yes, if we paid the money he would come to us. Then there's Klopp, Hiddink, Moyes, Pep, hell even O'Neill. Not one of those names (and a lot more besides) would screw it up more than AW is doing now. Wenger has lost the dressing room, it's so obvious to see that. Any player in an Arsenal shirt shouldn't need Pat Rice screaming at them for 45mins on the touch line, they should be fired up by the manager every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Why do you say that out of interest? Call me a blind optimist (I am) but I think if we do miss out this year we'll be straight back next year. RvP and Theo will leave. We will use the money to cover going out of the CL. We wont replace either player. Honestly think we will finish 10th/11th next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy13 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 RvP and Theo will leave. We will use the money to cover going out of the CL. We wont replace either player. Honestly think we will finish 10th/11th next season. Exactly this, unless a HUGE change is made at management and board level. Whilst this lot are in charge then Arsenal will continue to die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 based on what? do you think rvp will stay if you don't at the very least make CL? and wenger will suddenly invest in all the positions needed? and what if chelsea and liverpool chuck a lot more money too (seems probable) and also try and bridge the gap upwards? don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you should sack wenger. i do believe he's made repeatedly the same mistakes (through inaction) but he more than deserves one season after this to make up for it but i just don't see how there won't be serious damage done to arsenal if they end 6th or below? who will arsenal be able to attract to improve matters? i think potentially there's a serious threat to arsenal's repute that will stunt you for longer - i'm sure liverpool would've loved to sign mata instead of downing or banega or whoever ahead of charlie adam but it's not quite so easy to bring players in when it looks like you're on a downward slope. which is exactly what it seems like it would be to me if you ended 6th or below. unless you expect 'the kids' to all come good next season all of a sudden? I'm acting on a hunch mate, that's all. Blind optimism. I don't think (on paper) finishing out of the top four makes it as hard to sign players as we really think. Liverpool, despite those names you've mentioned still managed to bring Suárez in and I'm pretty sure the likes of Downing/Henderson/Carroll were brought in more as a sign of Dalglish's insistence on buying British than because they couldn't bring any better players in. Even Newcastle have bought in some very good players having only been promoted the season before last, look at them now. We've not actually got any 'kids to come good' at the moment anyway to be honest: Chamberlain maybe, Frimpong is talented but raw... and they won't realise any potential surrounded by most of the current squad anyway. It's no coincidence that the likes of Cesc/RvP/Flamini/Clichy all came good while they were surrounded by the likes of Henry/Bergkamp/Vieira etc. RvP and Theo will leave. We will use the money to cover going out of the CL. We wont replace either player. Honestly think we will finish 10th/11th next season. I hope not Would another manager mean we change our spending habits anyway? Is our current attitude to transfers a 'Wenger philosophy' or a policy encouraged by the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Think it's a mixture of both. If rumours are to be believe its more the board than Wenger. Either way, we are finished as a top force. I wonder how far our decline will go. Doubt we can afford to have 30-40K every week. Probably should have just stayed at Highbury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfgrigg Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Almost every manager is available if you throw money at them. Mourinho will be available in the summer. And yes, if we paid the money he would come to us. Then there's Klopp, Hiddink, Moyes, Pep, hell even O'Neill. In the summer, yes (although I think Hiddink is very overrated and I very much doubt Pep would come unless he feels he's completed what he wanted to achieve at Barca.) I doubt most of those would come right now. I've said before that I'm not particularly averse to Wenger leaving in the summer, but I'm not sure replacing him now would work. The whole structure of the football side of Arsenal has been completely based around his ethos and vision and when he goes there'll be a huge disruption. We might get the new manager bounce, but equally I think we could potentially do even worse for the first couple of months than we are now. It looks to me like a massive risk. When Wenger goes I'd much rather it be at the end of a season when the new man's got several off months to implement his methods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I love it how whenever someone suggests a change at management level there is always someone else to chime in with the predictable "there's no one else available" or "name one person that could do it better" line. Almost every manager is available if you throw money at them. Mourinho will be available in the summer. And yes, if we paid the money he would come to us. Then there's Klopp, Hiddink, Moyes, Pep, hell even O'Neill. Not one of those names (and a lot more besides) would screw it up more than AW is doing now. Wenger has lost the dressing room, it's so obvious to see that. Any player in an Arsenal shirt shouldn't need Pat Rice screaming at them for 45mins on the touch line, they should be fired up by the manager every time. Might get shot down for this, but even now I wouldn't like to see us chuck money at a name like Mourinho or Klopp just because they are a name... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Klopp just signed a new contract iirc anyway. I do think Mourinho would come to us if we went looking for a new manager, probably just do a swap and it'd be sorted, but we cannot sack Wenger now, and we should give him a season to try and resurrect us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 The board will hire someone pathetic anyway. If Wenger does leave, we should hire some very well known manager short term who can hopefully stabilise the club. Louis van Gaal comes to mind. As a long term manager, I'd quite like Laurent Blanc (he's a true leader). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestroik Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 On the positive side we haven't lost and we haven't conceded a goal. That's positive, Arsene???? http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-had-the-chances-to-win-the-game- On a sidenote, anyone noticed Rafe Benitez watching the match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Song has been so sloppy of late. He is miles off the pace and keeps getting caught in possession and misplacing his passes time and again. It's like his mind is elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'd be getting Garcia now if I were the owner, perfect replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestroik Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'd be getting Garcia now if I were the owner, perfect replacement. Of Benfica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 no Rudi, manager at Lille Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 On the positive side we haven't lost and we haven't conceded a goal.That's positive, Arsene???? http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-had-the-chances-to-win-the-game- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestroik Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 no Rudi, manager at Lille Only if he brings Hazard along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 He will do. The fact is Alan Pardew is doing a better job than Arsene Wenger right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 In other ex-Gunners news, Ljungberg has signed for MK Dons! I read that ex-Leeds and United strik ... erm, midfielder Alan Smith is also there on loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Gonzo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 He was apparently 'close' to the first-team at Dortmund. No, he wasn't. But that's not really related to his quality it was more due to his agent. Eisfeld is a good solid talent but nothing special for Arsenal. Gnabry is special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestroik Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 No, he wasn't. But that's not really related to his quality it was more due to his agent.Eisfeld is a good solid talent but nothing special for Arsenal. Gnabry is special. Gnabry was good last night but Ozyakup looked the best out of the whole lot in the deeper midfield role. Eisfield is very comfortable on the ball and helped to create the 1st goal tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Gonzo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Gnabry was good last night but Ozyakup looked the best out of the whole lot in the deeper midfield role. Eisfield is very comfortable on the ball and helped to create the 1st goal tho. Özyakup is a very talented guy but Gnabry is three years younger than him. I don't exactly know how Gnabry is doing at Arsenal but here in Germany many experts see him as a possible future star and as the best player out of a very talented German under 17 national team. Eisfeld on the other hand lacks a bit the physical abilities. His technique is good, passing and finishing are accurate. I can't really see him being good enough for Arsenal's first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Apparently Almunia's left out of our squad list, not seen the official link/pdf so if anyone finds it, let me know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Apparently Almunia's left out of our squad list, not seen the official link/pdf so if anyone finds it, let me know. Please god let it be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Is Fabianski still planning on leaving on loan somewhere? If so that makes Martínez our #2 doesn't it, if Almunia isn't there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Fabianski cant leave now as the window has slammed SHUT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Good old Winterburn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Out of interest, who would buy Walcott and how much would expect you could get for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I would expect loads of clubs would be interested in him. Liverpool probably the most likely of places he would end up. He only has a year left on his contract, but is miles better than someone like Downing. Soooo. £15mish? Maybe £20m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 £20m :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Mate, Downing went for the same. Stewart Downing. Theo is miles ahread of him. Plus he's English and actually good. Well within our rights to expect that much. You have actually reminded me of when you last laughed at my opinion. When I said that Woj was better than De Gea. Good times :***) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Good old Winterburn Mata? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Mate, Downing went for the same. Stewart Downing. Theo is miles ahread of him. Plus he's English and actually good. Well within our rights to expect that much.You have actually reminded me of when you last laughed at my opinion. When I said that Woj was better than De Gea. Good times :***) The difference is Villa were desperate to keep Downing, by the sounds of it you'd be trying to shift him which massively changes his valuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugster Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I wouldn't take any less than about 17 mil for him. He is leagues ahead of the likes of Downing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Hasn't Henry still scored more goals than him at the Emirates?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjerome Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 but is he miles ahead of ashley young who went for £16m iirc, and only had a year left on his contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugster Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 but is he miles ahead of ashley young who went for £16m iirc, and only had a year left on his contract? That's true but Young wanted to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 mate, downing went for the same. Stewart downing. Theo is miles ahread of him. Plus he's english and actually good. Well within our rights to expect that much.You have actually reminded me of when you last laughed at my opinion. When i said that woj was better than de gea. Good times :***) give it time m8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 The difference is Villa were desperate to keep Downing, by the sounds of it you'd be trying to shift him which massively changes his valuation. What gives you that impression? Keeping Theo is really important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 but is he miles ahead of ashley young who went for £16m iirc, and only had a year left on his contract? Good point. Although I suppose Theo is younger and plays for a much bigger club. Which would drive the valuation up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I don't think 20mil is unrealistic at all. Liverpool love their overpriced British players, you could probably get 40mil from them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I don't think he's worth £20m, but it's not out of the realms of possibility that we'd get that for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'd bite their hands off and probably most of their arms at £20m. Alot of people on this thread go on about how rubbish theo is, so I'd go about £10m based on ability but £20m for being english Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 He's got the ability - he's shown that in the past... but I question his mentality, and he's injury prone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think a lot has to do with the fact that he doesn't want to play wide. He has said many times he wants to play through the middle. That's why sometimes I think he goes missing or gets caught out of position, and throws the odd shrug every now and again. But then when gets the chance or gets put through on goal, he fluffs it more often than not, which is why he'll never really get the chance there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 And yet at other times his finishing is really assured. This is what I mean about his mentality. At times he can be very assured and play some excellent football and at other times he's a train wreck. There was a match last season where on Sky's Football First Tony Gayle (who is the biggest moron there is and hates Theo) was co-commentating. Theo made a poor choice early on and Gayle went on for ages about how it proved what a bad player he was and then Theo was immense for the rest of the game - Gayle didn't say anything. It's been unfortunate in the past that just as he hit form, he'd get a long-term injury. It's happened two or three times now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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