santy001 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Anyone else feel the need to always end on a win before quitting or is it just me that has this silly superstition? More often than not I'll end on a loss or draw that I should have comfortably won. If I'm annoyed that I lost a silly game I know I'm not going to be making the right decision to turn it around usually. So I just save it and come back later when I've thought about where it all went wrong lol. With my inconsistency this season I rarely manage more than 3 games in a stint lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 The OP must be right because I saved after the Benfica game.(insert wink smile thing) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Anyone else feel the need to always end on a win before quitting or is it just me that has this silly superstition? I quit when I don't win. I get annoyed when I win, go to bed, start the game the next time and lose. The only time I end on a win is the Champions League Final. Damn you winning streak affecting my sleeping patterns! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Anyone else feel the need to always end on a win before quitting or is it just me that has this silly superstition? I have little choice, my team almost refuse to lose. I usually quit a few games into a new season, or a few games into February I find it impossible to turn the game off during a transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dune297 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Sounds like you were either lucky with your tactic, or unlucky there. I finished 7th in my first season with Newcastle and also won the League Cup on one of my newer saves. When I started the next season, I lost about 10 games in a row using the same exact tactic. I just accepted that my tactic wasn't going to work and I was lucky to get to 7th in the last season. I then decided to change it, and voilà, I started winning everything. Just accept that your tactic is not going to win you every game, and try to improve it. It's your tactic, and it happens to pretty much everyone, so stop complaining and fix it ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herter Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I've seen this too!.. just the exact opposite.. and it was on CM.. I remember that when my team was on a bad run I just saved and stopped playing until the day after.. and 9/10 times I started winning again when I loaded the game.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagain Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 And the award for best whinge goes to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0x0r Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 isn't the number less luck, and more a seed by which future random numbers are produced from? And by changing this as often as possible, the game's random element will be more random? I always understood it as rolling a million-sided dice each time a calculation occurs. Add modifiers based on attributes (both visible, hidden and "in-game" such as exact confidence at that moment) then compare results. The seed number decides which number is face up before you cup your hand, shake, then roll. (eg that seed will be multiplied with another number based on the exact time (to the millisecond) or whatever your PC's processors random number generator uses, in such a way that the distribution will always fall equally between, say, 1 and 1,000,000. So the "seed" will affect the end number, but it's equally likely to do so in a beneficial or hindering way at any given decision? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Say Die Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I have got to admit that there have been many times in the past i have gone on a huge losing spree, getting stuck in the results loop (ie about four 3-2 losses in a row) got fed up and turned the game off, gone back in and thrashed a team 4-0 that i had previously lost to. i do think sometimes turning the game off and on again can have an effect one way or t'other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Manager. Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 doesn't happy to me either. i am currently on a 850 match unbeaten run. easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 doesn't happy to me either. i am currently on a 850 match unbeaten run. easy. An 850 match unbeaten run, seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackripper Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 doesn't happy to me either. i am currently on a 850 match unbeaten run. easy. without cheating i find that hard to beleive. not even dafuge pulls this off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Shenanigans!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Say Die Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 im sorry but thats rubbish, no matter how good your tactics or team are there will be one of those days when it just doesnt go right. im pretty good at this game and with even my best Arsenal side ive never gone more than 60 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I lost one game in the middle of a 320 streak which I'm still annoyed about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay96 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 It's called football pal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyRich Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 start with barca, go on a winning streak, then close your game, and open it, then tell me if it still does it... because if its a bug it happens to ANY team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 isn't the number less luck, and more a seed by which future random numbers are produced from? And by changing this as often as possible, the game's random element will be more random?I always understood it as rolling a million-sided dice each time a calculation occurs. Add modifiers based on attributes (both visible, hidden and "in-game" such as exact confidence at that moment) then compare results. The seed number decides which number is face up before you cup your hand, shake, then roll. (eg that seed will be multiplied with another number based on the exact time (to the millisecond) or whatever your PC's processors random number generator uses, in such a way that the distribution will always fall equally between, say, 1 and 1,000,000. So the "seed" will affect the end number, but it's equally likely to do so in a beneficial or hindering way at any given decision? You've just described luck there But yeah, that's why I said it influences it, not determines it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 An 850 match unbeaten run, seriously? Depends where you manage - would be insanely easy to do it in the Irish leagues after a few seasons. It's easy enough to get an unbeaten run into the 100s in the Premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Depends where you manage - would be insanely easy to do it in the Irish leagues after a few seasons.It's easy enough to get an unbeaten run into the 100s in the Premiership. Depends if you're just talking league wins or in all competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I've always found Europe to be much easier than the league. It's the domestic cups that are the real threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackripper Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 well after saving after a win yesterday i loaded up this morning and hay ho i continued winning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 well after saving after a win yesterday i loaded up this morning and hay ho i continued winning That is impossible. I bet you're lying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackripper Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 That is impossible. I bet you're lying. damm you caught me out...i was sat here for 5 hours reloading till i got my self a win...it nearly undone my unbeaten record of 851 games..phew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojby Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I am with the op on this debate as I have noticed it on numerous occassions. granted - it is random and does not happen all the time but it happens enough times to make you believe that there is a problem. Too those that say things like i have saved and loaded numerous times during the season and only once has it happened - all well and good but try loading the same save say 6 times (use the same players and tactics) and then see how many different results you get (win, loss or draw - not actual 1-0, 2-0 etc) Then tell me that there is no problem. For those (and there are a few here) who say that they have loaded their last game and they are still winning - doing this once does not count - try repeating this a few times on the same save and see what results you get. Theoretically and statistically if you are on a good run of form, that run should continue but there will be a small chance that it will come to an end. In FM this is not the case as your run of form does not count. I do not care what others are saying here - it happens and there is no doubt about it. Please do not give me the rubbish that it is my tactics either as this is boring (I am an experienced FM gamer and have never ever had an issue with my tactics!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Amazingly, the information loaded into the match engine is includes "form" not "has the player just loaded up the game". The amount of excuses people can find to not blame themselves for a loss is staggering. Your problem is that you haven't placed the busy-mouse-pointer graphic over the "S" when you're saving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_numbers Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Your problem is that you haven't placed the busy-mouse-pointer graphic over the "S" when you're saving. I though it was more to do with where you 'rested' the mouse during the match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 If you use windows 7, you get a little rotating circle which is the perfect size to fit around the letters. This can't be a coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgex Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I loaded up and lost 2-0.. And I haven't won in 7 games.. Bug!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_numbers Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Why do you think SI introduced the "hide" feature of the mouse behind the match engine? It's so you don't know where it is and are more likely to leave it hovering in the "lose" box. *whistles X Files tune* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Why do you think SI introduced the "hide" feature of the mouse behind the match engine? It's so you don't know where it is and are more likely to leave it hovering in the "lose" box.*whistles X Files tune* I think you've posted this in the wrong thread ha ha now onto the OP, It's just coinsidence, you think since you won 8 in a row that when you start the game up next time you will win and you wont have to worry about tweaking anything, well i guess you lucked out there. I guess barcelona are just so damn good they wont need to tweak anything in their next match, well guess what ? they will and so will every club. Dont just think that since you won your previous 8 games you can guarantee yourself you will win the next game. It just doesn't work like that. Over confidence is a killer sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_numbers Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I think you've posted this in the wrong thread ha ha It vaguely makes sense when you compare it to Ackter's post 2 up from mine. It's a pure coincidence that I posted that at a fairly close time to Captain Planet reviving the other thread from three months in the graveyard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0x0r Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 You've just described luck there But yeah, that's why I said it influences it, not determines it. What I mean is it isn't a "good luck" or "bad luck" figure. Any one given seed number will be neither lucky nor unlucky for the user or the AI. The exact moment you press continue will have as much of an affect on the outcome of the game as the seed, and will be equally neutral. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yup. I tried explaining that as well. Didn't seem to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yup. I tried explaining that as well. Didn't seem to work. thats because its easier for folk to think "SI have ruined FM" rather than actually think about why things go wrong. I have seen this banded about for years and its still rubbish, you dont lose form or gain form by re-loading the game, its does nothing to how your team is playing or how your team moral is. All this nonsense about re-loading games over and over to compare results is also complete nonsense, first off they try to compare it to reality, which obviously is just a waste of time because you cannot re-load real life and replay the game over a result is final, no matter how good or bad it is, in FM its only final if you choose it to be. Secondly anything can happen on any given day as the old saying goes, yes you could win a game 1-0 but if you conceeded early you could have lost 6-0, anything that happens in a game changes direction of the game, so again its pointless re-playing or re-loading over and over because 1 thing different, 1 chance, 1 foul, 1 mis-pass can completely change the outcome of a game. People really need to sit back, breath, and think before they start ranting about this rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Henrhys Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Your opinion is ridiculous. Just stop and think about what you have posted. There is a bug in the game that causes you to lose when you resume a save?? From the OP, I can only assume you are about 14yeas old. Sounds like you're simply doing something wrong whether it's tactics or maybe your players have reached a level of tiredness that sees them under-perform and this has simply coincided with you saving the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I'm afraid this is a bug. Not just FM11 either, it's been present on other versions. Previously it's been patched out, this version patches seem to have been adding as many bugs as they remove. This happens to me every time I resume, and 7 Premier League's, 3 Champions league's, 3 FA Cup's, and 1 League cup says it's not my tactic's. Also if complacency was an issue then it would manifest itself long before you restart a game, if you play for a long time. It's very annoying, but you can play through it as long as you can accept losing some games through no fault of your own. We're at the point now where dogma is clouding almost all issues with the game. The haters would find fault with the game even if it was perfect, and the head in the sand mob will always believe the game to be without fault despite any evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Neither case are helped by people daft enough to think that this is, or has ever been, a problem. It has never been "fixed" in a patch, ever, as it has never existed. Feel free to check back through all of the patch notes (which are generated straight from SI's fix log) to see. Oh, and if we're backing it up with in-game achievements, 37 Premierships, 32 Champions Leagues and more cups than I care to shake a stick at show that the bug doesn't exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 FM has more myths than the ancient Greeks had:D, we call it Geek mythology;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 You call it your early 20s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I'm afraid this is a bug. Not just FM11 either, it's been present on other versions. Previously it's been patched out, this version patches seem to have been adding as many bugs as they remove. This happens to me every time I resume, and 7 Premier League's, 3 Champions league's, 3 FA Cup's, and 1 League cup says it's not my tactic's. Also if complacency was an issue then it would manifest itself long before you restart a game, if you play for a long time. It's very annoying, but you can play through it as long as you can accept losing some games through no fault of your own. We're at the point now where dogma is clouding almost all issues with the game. The haters would find fault with the game even if it was perfect, and the head in the sand mob will always believe the game to be without fault despite any evidence. All those trophies say is that the team is good enough to win things, but obviously not everything otherwise it would be 7 premierships, 7 CL's (or 6), 7 FA cups and 7 league cups. The simple matter of fact is sending your star striker into a match at 93% conditioning may mean he is not as up to it as a player who starts on the bench at 100%. The AI teams defenders may be that bit ahead on condition and this continues throughout the game so despite scoring 200 goals in his last 200 games, this game he's up against a good defender who is fitter (at the moment) and just as fast and strong as he is. Come half time your strikers morale may have gone down from being bossed, or he may have had a few hard challenges and lost more of his condition, now the 4/5% gap has widened to 10/11% and he's even further off being as fresh as the CB. It happens, or are you merely suggesting that because you won those trophies you should win every game? Winning runs should continue forever and no one should ever lose? What happens when you come up against an AI team on a similar run? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spireite82 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I think Birmingham got this bug after their carling cup win IRL.... Awesome! OP. This is the funniest thing i have ever heard. Some people will blame anything. I think it's complacency if you are on a 8 game unbeaten run. You must be bigging your team up in every press conference and praising then after every win, whether it's 1-0 at home or 8-0 away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yeh, I remember discussing this selfsame problem with a guy called Pythagorus, he came up with a theorem that reloading FM 9,999 times proves your mouse works:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chile_paul Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Stunning - give this man a medal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 All those trophies say is that the team is good enough to win things, but obviously not everything otherwise it would be 7 premierships, 7 CL's (or 6), 7 FA cups and 7 league cups. The simple matter of fact is sending your star striker into a match at 93% conditioning may mean he is not as up to it as a player who starts on the bench at 100%. The AI teams defenders may be that bit ahead on condition and this continues throughout the game so despite scoring 200 goals in his last 200 games, this game he's up against a good defender who is fitter (at the moment) and just as fast and strong as he is. Come half time your strikers morale may have gone down from being bossed, or he may have had a few hard challenges and lost more of his condition, now the 4/5% gap has widened to 10/11% and he's even further off being as fresh as the CB. It happens, or are you merely suggesting that because you won those trophies you should win every game? Winning runs should continue forever and no one should ever lose? What happens when you come up against an AI team on a similar run? Those trophies say the players, the tactics, and the manager are sound and establish that all three are unlikely to be at fault for long losing runs after re-load.Your observations are absolutely correct, all of which I learnt many years ago (having played the game since the mid 90's). I've seen many issues from lack of fitness, non of which only affect players exclusively after reloading the game. It's a moot point anyway because this was a known issue on previous versions of FM and were addressed by SI at the time, after admitting to the issue. Don't you think it's more likely a recurrence of the same issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 this was a known issue on previous versions of FM and were addressed by SI at the time No, it wasn't and no, it wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 No, it wasn't and no, it wasn't.I was in the thread at the time, but I must have imagined it then. Oh well, you must be right, the game has no faults, it's totally perfect in every way. How dare I suggest otherwise! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 The game has many faults without the need to invent others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 The game has many faults without the need to invent others.I don't agree, the game has only a few faults after months of patching. This is one of those faults, it's unfortunate but as I said earlier I can live with it as I can with most bugs. What annoys me is criticism from a position of ignorance and blind denial for the same reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Feel free to provide proof, which no-one has. Feel free to provide proof of it happening in past versions as well. I call 2 more posts before you feel the need to wheel out a certain term that shall be frowned upon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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