UAF_85 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 i suspected it would be 1 that worked only at higher levels. for a similar effect i could suggest (i havent tried this, its just a suggestion) going for 2 x DM - anchorman, and defensive mid (support) and then at MC a central mid (attack) which may help, its a wild shot though. How about if you play an anchor man instead of deep playmaker, and change one of the inside forwards to winger or wide midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 How about if you play an anchor man instead of deep playmaker, and change one of the inside forwards to winger or wide midfielder. how would that work as a formation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAF_85 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 how would that work as a formation? I havent tried it but just suggesting it.... anyway, this tactic is making me play great attacking football, but my team is still getting used to it. After 11 games I am 6th with Juventus, I have the 3 tactic set, llamas tactic, and the two defensive ones (counter and defensive) Just out of curiosity, how long does a team take getting used to play with this system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 I havent tried it but just suggesting it....anyway, this tactic is making me play great attacking football, but my team is still getting used to it. After 11 games I am 6th with Juventus, I have the 3 tactic set, llamas tactic, and the two defensive ones (counter and defensive) Just out of curiosity, how long does a team take getting used to play with this system? put the workload for the 3 tactics up to very high - and team focus to team blend - should be quite quick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy_berger Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hi, just started an Arsenal game and am looking to try this tactic. I notice the title is 4-2-3-1 (Wide) but this is not an option. Is the basic or 4-2-3-1 or the Deep formation with the wide attackers? Apologies if this is a daft question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyprime Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 its not a daft question as its not in the standard template list but its just slightly altered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddy_berger Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntese Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 My success is definitely mixed so far, and I have been letting in on average a goal per match, but I might be doing a few things wrong. Lately I have been more solid in defense, but I am scoring few goals. Match preparation is on the average level, but should it be higher? I don't like the idea of my players getting even less training though, especially since they are young. It could be what paddy_berger mentions, because I am playing the 4-2-3-1, but with two wide attackers, instead of three central offensive midfielders. Since I always seem to be playing through the middle, and the natural position of my players tend to be in the middle, while they are only accomplished out wide, I was wondering if there was any downside to changing the tactic to 3 players in the middle... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 My success is definitely mixed so far, and I have been letting in on average a goal per match, but I might be doing a few things wrong. Lately I have been more solid in defense, but I am scoring few goals. Match preparation is on the average level, but should it be higher? I don't like the idea of my players getting even less training though, especially since they are young. It could be what paddy_berger mentions, because I am playing the 4-2-3-1, but with two wide attackers, instead of three central offensive midfielders. Since I always seem to be playing through the middle, and the natural position of my players tend to be in the middle, while they are only accomplished out wide, I was wondering if there was any downside to changing the tactic to 3 players in the middle... nothing wrong with altering to what suits - what team are you? once the team is fluid with the tactic then switch tactics workload to very low, and keep an individual focus selected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDWZ Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I've tried the tactic with Udinese since the winterbreak because my own tactic was easily countered by the AI. Took me 2 games to get fully fluid to it (was already playing a similar 4-2-3-1) and then my team started playing very well. What I do notice though is that my attacking 3 (Left / Right / Striker) get very little balls and also very few shots on goal. What kind of striker would you recommend playing the advanced forward role? I tried Di Natale but he rarely gets into good scoring positions so I let him play AML since hes more right footed. I also tried Alexis Sanchez(lightning quick) which went fairly well when he gets a few good through balls but other than that he rarely gets any ballcontacts. Is this any different with your game with Arsenal Llama ? Also noticed that when not picking defensive positioning with match preparation I leak goals ALOT. Still trying to figure out why though. Thinking about picking one defender as cover since hes quick(Zapata) Cheers. Enjoying the football the tactic is producing so far ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAF_85 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Right then, one season (2012/13) with this tactic set, Im with Juventus and with 3 games left I am 3rd. I have noticed that my wingers score teh majority of goals, but that couldn be because I have not any decent strikers to speak of. All in all, a very good tactic, however it is recommended you tweak it to whatever suits your team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Also noticed that when not picking defensive positioning with match preparation I leak goals ALOT. Still trying to figure out why though. Because that is the way the game is programmed right now. It has nothing to do with tactics imho. Players are not marked properly no matter what you do, and how good your defenders are at marking. This is especially apparent in defensive set pieces such as attacking throw-ins, where it looks like your entire team suffers a stroke for a few seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 I've tried the tactic with Udinese since the winterbreak because my own tactic was easily countered by the AI. Took me 2 games to get fully fluid to it (was already playing a similar 4-2-3-1) and then my team started playing very well. What I do notice though is that my attacking 3 (Left / Right / Striker) get very little balls and also very few shots on goal. What kind of striker would you recommend playing the advanced forward role? I tried Di Natale but he rarely gets into good scoring positions so I let him play AML since hes more right footed. I also tried Alexis Sanchez(lightning quick) which went fairly well when he gets a few good through balls but other than that he rarely gets any ballcontacts. Is this any different with your game with Arsenal Llama ? Also noticed that when not picking defensive positioning with match preparation I leak goals ALOT. Still trying to figure out why though. Thinking about picking one defender as cover since hes quick(Zapata) Cheers. Enjoying the football the tactic is producing so far ! i played van persie as a central striker - good finisher, and can participate in creative moves, must not be deficient in areas of strength & speed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAF_85 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Right then just jumped ship again, now at villa After 18 months at Juventus I left them with a 3rd place finish and was in currently 2013, dec, and they were 4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede22march Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Spent the first two seasons with Arsenal playing a 4-1-2-1-2 narrow tactic with great success. Two titles, first season unbeaten in the league with 100 points, second season won it at a canter with 95 points. Failed in the domestic cups but amazingly won two Champions leagues. Now want to try this tactic and have played third season pre-season and first few fixtures with it. Sneaked the charity shield with a 1-0 win over 10-man Blackburn, grabbed a late 1-1 draw at home with Man City, and just squeezed past Everton 3-2 and West Brom 1-0 away from home. Also beat Real 2-1aet in Super Cup match, but was second best and they had 26 shots on goal to my 13. Akinfeev was the hero. In the match summaries I seem to be 'carved open' a lot and am worried that by not having a DM there is no one screening my back four. Llama or anyone else who has had defensive success with this tactic - have you tweaked the rearguard? Really interested in this tactic and will try and stick with it for a season at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 no tweaks whatsoever of any kind - i find playing song as DLP helps a lot, and counter strategy helps too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darceon Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'll give it a go with LOSC Lille in their 2nd season. I do wonder which playmaker you prefer? The mentally massive Ganso, Paulo Henrique, or the mentally ok but really agile and fast Hazard? I'm using Ganso so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'll go it a go with LOSC Lille in their 2nd season.I do wonder which playmaker you prefer? The mentally massive Ganso, Paulo Henrique, or the mentally ok but really agile and fast Hazard? I'm using Ganso so far. never tried any of them to be fair. if you only want to use 1 playmaker i am working on a new variant - switch a ball-winning midfielder (defend) into MRC in place of the deep-lying playmaker. switch central midfielder support in for advanced playmaker, and make the attacker a complete forward. the key to the trequartista is technique, and mental stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darceon Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 never tried any of them to be fair. if you only want to use 1 playmaker i am working on a new variant - switch a ball-winning midfielder (defend) into MRC in place of the deep-lying playmaker. switch central midfielder support in for advanced playmaker, and make the attacker a complete forward. the key to the trequartista is technique, and mental stats. How is that going? Cause I was wondering if the DLP had to have 'Gets forward' as a prefered move? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 How is that going? Cause I was wondering if the DLP had to have 'Gets forward' as a prefered move? scoring roughly 3.5 goals a game at the moment. i recommend the switch, may alter opening post as a result Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darceon Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 scoring roughly 3.5 goals a game at the moment. i recommend the switch, may alter opening post as a result Will give it a shot, think it suits Cabaye and Mavuba better anyways. ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aron Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Question! Have been struggling to get Ramsey to star with this tactic, played him in both AMC and MCL, with no more than 6.8-7.0 ratings. Any tips on how to get him to deliver? Thanks for the great tactic anyway, got the league and FA cup double the first season, still unbeaten 11 games into the new one. /Aron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Question!Have been struggling to get Ramsey to star with this tactic, played him in both AMC and MCL, with no more than 6.8-7.0 ratings. Any tips on how to get him to deliver? Thanks for the great tactic anyway, got the league and FA cup double the first season, still unbeaten 11 games into the new one. /Aron. i play him at both, have you retrained ramsey to AMC? tbh i find ramsey plays fairly well in either role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted May 15, 2011 Author Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have altered the tactical information in the opening post with updated information - please give it a quick browse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 llama Is the Complete Forward on 'Attack' or 'Support'? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 llamaIs the Complete Forward on 'Attack' or 'Support'? Steve Attack - they are the designed to be an "henry" type who is the main man that the team plays for, with the trequartista the "bergkamp" directing the supporting cast - mixed metaphor i know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjericho Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I used your tactic in my career thread and it got me promotion, let's see how I do with the big teams next season. I used the version with the DLP/AP/AF and I had great results and the team played very well overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAF_85 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 This tactic set is brilliant, I have played ten seasons with this now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Guys I have given this a review, please keep posting your thoughts, see if any of this works for you. Feel free to ask questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frag Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Which set should I use if playing on FM2011? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 depends on your team - but the 3 playmaker system (set 2) was interesting, and set 3 i used until i finished fm11, so set 3 is good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNATEM Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Who is playmaker in set 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiet666 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Who is playmaker in set 4? I've been having success with no one set as the playmaker, occasionally the DLP which seems to help my possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 in set 4 it is the trequartista - feel free to mix and match the sets (i.e. change the MLC from set 1 with set 4 for example) but only within exactly the same position (i.e. DRC, MLC, AMR etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoede Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Did anyone try this one on the FM2012 Demo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 i was using set 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoede Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Set 4 looks like it could really suit the current Juventus squad. Previously I used your set 1 on FM2011, and did great, though I did buy Hazard which was absolute killer on the left side. Also, Del Piero did an awesome job playing in the AMC position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Okay so I would like to try this tactic with Dortmund, which set would you recommend llama? I am playing FM12 btw. Also, should I have a Defensive or Counter option? Or would it work just fine always sticking to Control? Also, did you end up creating a 4-4-2 variant? I was thinking of moving the AMC to FC and playing him as an Advanced Forward - Attack, what are your thoughts? Regards Shiraz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 I use all strategies when needed, currently my standard approach has let me patiently control wins over lyon and everton in succession. I have not created a direct variant in 4-4-2 form, however I use a straightforward 4-4-2 style (Goalkeeper (D), Full Back (Auto) x 2, Central Defender (D) x 2, Winger (A) x 2, BWM (D), AP (S), T (A), CF (A) I would recommend having Gotze as a treq in AMC slot, inside forwards either side, and a complete forward attack ahead of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Does the 4-4-2 you mention above have the same team instructions as the original 4-2-3-1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 i am away in Ireland at the moment, but I will update the opening post for FM12 when I return in mid-december Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 I have updated the opening post with my FM12 formation and instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Awesome, will give it a try Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 FM12 Update added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 If i were to use a DLF or Adv. Forward as my striker, who would you set as the playmaker (if any)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Hey llama3, Have you got a 4-2-3-1 working on FM13 so far? I am really struggling to setup a 4-2-3-1 that plays good football and wins more often than not. Regards Shiraz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneAVB Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I use the exact same setup as in the OP but instead of a Treq up front have a complete forward on support.. Don't use shouts and have given everybody long shots rarely.. Plays some great football and is just a realistic, effective system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespeck79 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 just download you fool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterawesome Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I use the exact same setup as in the OP but instead of a Treq up front have a complete forward on support.. Don't use shouts and have given everybody long shots rarely.. Plays some great football and is just a realistic, effective system You're playing a CF-Support up top with an AM-Support at AMC? It's not leaving too much space up top? I'm playing this formation, and trying to work out the best AMC/ST combination (who would be support, who should be attack, roles, etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 I have updated the opening page significantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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