Colorado Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I've played a few games as an above average team in the Argentine top division so there is some level of technical ability within the squad. However, despite playing a short passing game, I dont think I have seen a pass played first-time or knocked into space - at a reasonable distance. I have seen overhit passes but noting knocked forward particularly first time/one touch. Anyone else?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Really not sure if it's been mentioned (i'm guessing it has) the old one on one conversion rate for anyone other the world class players is appalling. I'm in the Blue Square North and for my level have a top stiker and he misses every one on one. Played a few games in the demo and found this to be the case in every league! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defensive Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Really not sure if it's been mentioned (i'm guessing it has) the old one on one conversion rate for anyone other the world class players is appalling. I'm in the Blue Square North and for my level have a top stiker and he misses every one on one. Played a few games in the demo and found this to be the case in every league! Patch 11.1.: - Made players more likely to round keeper when clear on goal - Also made players less likely to shoot too early when clear on goal Maybe this will help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UweFuchs Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Corners hit the first man too often When players are fouled they look like they have not been touched and go down looking like they have been shot (actually that does not seem too far off the real thing tbh) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpy07 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Patch 11.1.:- Made players more likely to round keeper when clear on goal - Also made players less likely to shoot too early when clear on goal Maybe this will help. Also - Improved decision making when through on goal slightly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Also - Improved decision making when through on goal slightly Were is the info on the patch? And yes it helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scab Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Right in this thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon army 06 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 A lot of fixes are made but subject to a test on one of the players attributes - in other words it can still happen but only as a mistake by the player wit ythe fixes be in the game when its released Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Looking good for me so far, a few issues I've noticed -The over-effective dribbling/defenders backpedalling issue mentioned by a few people (looking at the changelist for 10.1 hopefully fixed) - Players not fast enough to close down slow-moving ball when it would be beneficial (maybe fixed by "Fixed a couple of issues relating to players not reacting properly to the ball"?) - Players don't seem to show enough willingness to move towards an incoming pass to pick it up when they are under pressure - Similarly, players don't seem willing enough to offer a short option in the middle of the park on occasion - Tendency to head a bouncing ball when there is enough time to let it drop & trap it (maybe fixed by "Made players under no pressure less likely to play first time or second touch pass unless it is a really good option"?) - Tendency of strikers to attempt flick-ons where there is no-one to flick on to - maybe they should be more likely to head back towards own midfielders if free - An AMC played behind two strikers seems a little over-effective even when opposition plays a DM in response - Chance of weaker foot passes seems too high when a player is under no pressure - Corner trajectory seems a little low Mainly though, it's been looking great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindhoffen Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Goalkeeper is doing some very odd moves sometimes. Without being hassled by opposition he shoots the ball to a throw in. I know it happens IRL from time to time but not 1-2 times per match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgar555 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Goalkeeper is doing some very odd moves sometimes. Without being hassled by opposition he shoots the ball to a throw in. I know it happens IRL from time to time but not 1-2 times per match. And I doubt very much its happening 1 or 2 times a match for you. If it is you need to visit the bug forum and log it, upload your save and pkm's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Has anyone notice that crap corners seem to be posing more problems than decent ones? Whenever someone sends over a corner about knee height, it goes straight through the defenders most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 One other thing I've noticed -Slightly too high incidence of sliced crosses that either go in or keeper has to save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Has anyone notice that crap corners seem to be posing more problems than decent ones?Whenever someone sends over a corner about knee height, it goes straight through the defenders most of the time. What league you playing in mate the lower you go the more gaffs etc you see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Playing with Arsenal and York. Happens more in the Premier League to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Playing with Arsenal and York. Happens more in the Premier League to be honest. MMm just keep an eye on it if it like it nearly every game report it in bugs forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 only commentary mode there are no cheers when a goal is scored Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Lang Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Played a couple of games where a goal was disallowed for offside. In previous versions the commentary would flash as normal when goal went in before informing you that the goal had been disallowed. It no longer flashes now when the ME knows that the goal is going to be disallowed. This is just a little thing but it sort of takes away the excitement followed by the shock of being disallowed if it's obvious from the lack of flashing that the goal will be disallowed! Also getting way too many totally unrealistically wayward shots. I'm playing in the BSN so at a fairly low level but some of the misses have been outrageous. No complaints about the amount of goals etc but it would be nice to see more shots on target even if they are saved by the keepers. Apart from this and the problems in getting a decent corner in I'm quite happy with the ME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 mm, just had a minor animation issue where the ref pulled out a giant yellow card nearly the size of his own head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 by the way, don't believe there are enough disallowed goals from what I've seen so far. But I may be mistaken, anyone else got any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagarr Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Paul, I notice improvents to the tracking skills of defenders, does this mean that defenders won't run alongside strikers every time and let them run 50 yards and shoot without attempting to make a tackle? If so it will massively improve the game for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted November 1, 2010 Author SI Staff Share Posted November 1, 2010 They might sometimes, depending on instructions and their own judgement in context of the situation. Even the best defenders can make bad calls. And sometimes its the right thing not to risk being beaten by diving in or getting too tight against a dangerous opponent. But its been reworked and improved so that its better overall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 mm, just had a minor animation issue where the ref pulled out a giant yellow card nearly the size of his own head. After this weekends controversy I have to say it must have nearly filled your screen:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgar555 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 After this weekends controversy I have to say it must have nearly filled your screen:D Nah, they could never make a card as big as Clattenburgs head. If they did though, I'm sure his mate Rio Ferdinand could help him lift it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagarr Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 As long as its been improved thats good enough for me. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc81_fcp Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Some guys on our forum reported, when you got a goal and lead the score, you can put your GK to SW position, then match engine will freeze at kick-off position, but the timer is going until finish the match, and you can win the game Was this fixed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scab Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 It is fixed in the first patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganizer Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Very happy to see all the changes going in at release. They pretty much cover all my concerns with the match engine. Only one left which i'm not sure is covered, which is regarding crosses from deep, which often tend to go directly to goalie or out for goalkick (at near post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrymb Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Hi all pretty sure this is my 1st post, been a regular reader for a few years now and would like to give some feedback about the ME since the demo came out. So far i have finished 7 half seasons in the demo and am enjoying it very much, but that said there are always things that can be improved. 1. Set plays: both corners and free kicks do not seem to work for me, corners will most often hit the first man in 90% of situations even when using excellent takers and the same for long range free kicks that you get your backs up for, with the setting on Best header, cross center, and cross far all that happens is a long range pass right into the keepers hands, in all 7 half seasons i think i've only scored once from this set play and was due to keeper dropping the ball, my players never make and forward movement to attack this cross until it is too late to connect. BTW i'm using Man City in demo to make most out of transfer budget. 2. Players not running for a ball: in alot of instances for example a clearance the ball will be in acres of space with a huge group of players running for it, some will peel off to go to their assigned positions but the guy that should be getting the ball as its in his "zone" will start to walk towards it or just stop outright for a few seconds. I read some one else complain about this either in this tread or somewhere else and 1 of the SI posters responded that they were looking into "closing down" problems. This sent alarm bells going off for me, to my mind "closing down" is things players do to players that are on the ball, like not giving to room to pass, shoot or time to think. Closing down should not imply a player picking up a lose ball or moving towards a ball. An example of this is say you are playing with a left winger and have his closing down slider set to 8/10, pretty much the whole pitch would this then mean he is unwilling to run to collect a ball at the corner flag of your opponent because will that in the 2/10 of the pitch he doesn't run? 3. Goalkeepers: its one i know has been brought up loads but i will just repeat it again for the extra weight of numbers, They rush out all like sweeper keepers in every situation, often getting caught out of lobbed, but if they do not get caught they make miracle saves on the edge of the area when world class strikers are bearing down on them. Again you could understand a bit of this school boy instincts from goalies in the really lower leagues but in top class football the keepers are there for their decision making, but even keepers with high stats in this still do it. 4. Long shots: I have every single 1 of my players set to long shot rarely yet will still finish games with say 14 shots on goal 10 long shots. I know players have their own minds and will still do thing is they see it to be right in the moment, thats all well and good, i like to see the odd screamer too, but my preferred way of playing is a passing game with working scoring chances out of crosses or through balls, but atm in the ME this is very hard to do as when a player gets his eyes on goal a red mist will descend and he'll have a crack. Anyway looking forward to Friday and keep up the good work and please is closing down is infact a player willing to make runs towards the ball and not just closing down other players let me know as this would change how most of my tactics are setup. Edit. after posting I saw the fix to the ME that ye have planned, pretty sure 3 and 4 will be fixed although still got concerns about 1+2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted November 2, 2010 Author SI Staff Share Posted November 2, 2010 Thanks for the feedback derrymb. To clarify, closing down is not about player moving towards loose balls, its how readily they engage a player with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrymb Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Cheers thanks for clearing that up for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Sorry if this question has already been covered but I would like to ask if the game match engine will be the same of the demo or if anything will change and if yes what ? Thanks a lot in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrymb Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 From what i understand Grep it will be the same ME with the changes from post #107 added into it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted November 2, 2010 Author SI Staff Share Posted November 2, 2010 The boxed game will have the same ME as the demo, but the 11.1 update will have changes as posted in this thread applied. The 11.1 update is expected be available at the end of this week when the game is released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Thanks a lot Paul C / derrymb for answering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappingjoelewis Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I would like the ball colour to be brighter like in fm2010. plus a little bigger . at the moment its too small and not brite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronaldo_rooney Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Also, I've noticed the following pattern: when the ball is played to a forward who is standing in the middle of the pitch, between two opposing centre backs, like this: DC DC FC This happen alot to me...really annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_no_7 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I've read the list of fixes for the 11.1 patch but i'm curious as to what else besides whats been listed here and the Liverpool ownership stuff will be in this patch if anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganizer Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 That's all, except probably a few data updates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Chevalier Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 by the way, don't believe there are enough disallowed goals from what I've seen so far. But I may be mistaken, anyone else got any thoughts? I'm getting many disallowed goals, for my team mostly but also for opposition. I'm not complaining, i actually quite like it, but for my money the amount has been just right in my demo season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Chevalier Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Cool, thank god they are fixing the one on one situation. So ok, Defoe and Pavlyuchenko often will and do(irl) miss one on ones, but just one going in would be nice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vkrules Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I have one question. Corners and other set plays cut scenes are too long. Is there possibility to speed this up? I have to wait until player gets a ball and so on... and bigger trouble is when my player takes both left and right corners and i have to wait until he walks to the other end of a pitch if corner is from the other side. So annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonFan1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I don't post very often (feel removed somewhat being in California), but I must say this sort of interaction with the SI team within a thread and getting real time updates and feedback from them makes me happier then every to be customer/fan. Great work guys! Can't wait to "get sick" friday afternoon and head home "early" to get to work on this game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatcat Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Since this is match engine feedback, I hope this comment goes here. I've played a few 'soccer' as its known in my world sims across the years and this is the first that really grabbed me, because I could actually see my managerial choices on the field, sorry pitch ;P) I started at the lowest level with a relegation candidate. My team on the game engine looked like they knew what they were doing, but they weren't very good at it. The other teams were generally better athletes. So I started adding young, talented guys to the team. Suddenly my team showed flashes of athletic brilliance, but were often confused as to their assignments and how to play as a team. We lost our first few matches badly and the team had no real flow especially on defense. Then as I slowed the rate of new blood and the guys started playing together more, they started to gel and play as a team and we started to win. I finally found which of my 3 goaltenders worked best with my defense and my defenders seemed to flow from side to side with the ball as opposed to being afraid to venture from their little zone to help their teammates. My midfield is getting better as well especially in the center and my movement up the field is starting to work more smoothly as I was fortunate to add a very talented midfield center who seems to be taking over as a team leader. Now some of this might be wishful thinking or coincidence, but it really does seem like the games have been playing out as I would expect in real life if I shook up a team of middle aged players and brought in young, talented players. I don't recall seeing this in other sports sims I've played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGTroyer Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Since this is match engine feedback, I hope this comment goes here...I don't recall seeing this in other sports sims I've played. Welcome to a beautiful representation of the Beautiful Game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertle Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 love the mistakes in the game ME makes the game actually feel realistic to watch less frustrating like we had in other versions with 3D. Basically mistakes in the past where bit dumb the game lacked football intelligence and as such mistakes did not look that realistic. I have to say this was the first thing I noticed being usually play lower level leagues I went WOW the match unfolded no feeling frustrated even when mistakes was made bacuase you could imagine them happen in RL. I also liked the way the ME changes its fluidity with bouts of scrappy periods and with the change to weather it enhances this. The set pieces seem much more polished too. Its hard to say if missing the target is slightly too much I personally feel there not the need to tweak it but some will want it toned. Although there is also slight overly decision to shoot from distance when options are open might need a slight tweak to overly greed. Overall fantastic job on the match engine you can see it as a potrait of real match there is definate a Football intelligance to how the 22 players operate and back each other. Also you see players off there game the team not quite on the same wave length with teammates and them trying to gel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGTroyer Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 One thing I really liked about the demo was that, in order to cut down on the long shots, I had my sideline shout of "Work the Ball Into The Box" active the whole game...and lost...and the opposing manager came at me in the press, saying I'd better stop telling my players to walk the ball into the net or I'd never win a game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_no_7 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Has anyone noticed that the offside graphic (two lines, one for last defender and one for the attacker) doesn't always come up when replays of disallowed goals are played? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganizer Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Has anyone noticed that the offside graphic (two lines, one for last defender and one for the attacker) doesn't always come up when replays of disallowed goals are played? I don't even know how to use that feature. Only heard about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted November 4, 2010 Author SI Staff Share Posted November 4, 2010 Keep the feedback coming for 11.1 please folks, as we are likely to improve the ME further for 11.2 and/or 11.3..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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